What is a difference between normal RAM and Value RAM??

Transcend and Kingston on their home pages have except server and overcklocker memory also normal and value memory. I can't see their characteristic there so I would like to know what is a diference?

 

Value RAM is probably lowest binned memory. It'll work but probably won't OC for anything. Usually it's also lower rated RAM and have higher CAS latency. RAM is RAM is RAM. Unless you are specifically in the market for OC, then just buy what works. I would just stick with brand name ram; Corsair, Crucial, GSkill, Kingston.

 

I'm surprised and grateful for quick answer. Strange what memory can be overclocked in notebook. That's why I tried to see all timings on home pages not just 1-st CL-9((

 

The only time ram is overclocked is if the reference/base clock (used to be FSB) can be changed.

This is dependant on machine and PLL.

 

Most laptops can't be overclocked, and if they can, usually they have an extreme CPU and only the clock multiplier is changed. Value memory will perform just as well as any other memory for notebook usage.

 

Value ram and similarly priced memory is for intelligent people, OverClocking, gaming and high performance are for gullible people that really believe paying $150 vs $50 for the same amount of ram means they will get noticeably higher performance.

Unless you are gullible or a benchmarking schmuck then you should always go with what is reliable and cheap.

Even ultra low voltage hand picked modules serve very little purpose unless shaving 1 - 3 watts of power is really worth paying 2x the normal price.

When it comes to laptop memory you would be better off pretending "high performance" memory doesn't exist unless you really want to prove that you are susceptible to marketing ploys, like 1gb ram on a weak gpu thinking that bigger is better.

 

Don't programs like SetFSB overclock the CPU through FSB, which necessarily overclocks the RAM as well?


Oh, and for the list of value RAM, I think Rendition is part of Crucial's budget line.

 

i always buy the cheapest ram i can find. often, it's mushkin. i look at the more expensive ram and think of monster cables

 

Not many motherboards have this feature and even if newer ones do, the Core i series is severely limited in its OCing potential as the base clocks are tied to the system clocks (PCIe, etc.) - also, they aren't based on the FSB anymore.

 

Just bought Mushkin Essentials 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1066MHz CL7
to replace the 4gig I had.

It's so doesn't matter what speed ram runs .. the only thing matters is size.

 

some of these ram stick don't overclock at all i got 8GB of gskill it runs fine but when ever i touch the fsb it BSOD

 

Basically cheapo RAM is cheapo RAM.

I paid an arm and leg for my Corsair Dominators for my desktop i7, they OC great. You get what you paid for as a wise man once said.

 

Saying that you won't notice a difference with high speed RAM isn't totally true, it does make a difference but it'll have much less of an effect on overall performance than say upgrading the CPU. Some applications which make heavy use of RAM would probably see a noticeable increase in performance but with things like games, it's more like 70%GPU 25%CPU 5%RAM.

 

I'm saying it's not worth the sometimes 40% more money than the next slowest RAM.

 

There is truth in this. The microscopic performance timings may not be perceptible. But, size does matter, especially in the context of Windows 7.

In earlier incarnations of Windows, the use of RAM is driven by the applications, and if they concurrently request only up to a total of 2GB, then remainder of RAM will sit idle, unused. So, it doesn't make sense to add more and more RAM if your applications usage pattern always occupies only a portion of the RAM.

Windows 7, on the other hand, is driven by the philosophy that "idle RAM is wasted RAM." So the OS does its best to proactively and intelligently utilize all of available RAM to boost overall system performance. Bring up Resource Monitor utility and look under Memory tab, one sees that physical memory is divided into: Hardware Reserved, In Use, Modified, Standby, Free. (Hovering the cursor on each category will display the meaning of that category in a pop-up balloon.) Standby is key to improved performance: Windows 7 caches application resources in Standby buffers to avoid fetching them again from (slow) disk or (slower) network. At certain points, my 8GB RAM shows only less than 20MB Free and over 2GB Standby, which is great.

Right. I'm willing to pay 20% premium for quality RAM from a proven manufacturer. I've been using Crucial/Micron for 10 years now.

 

Mine "cheapo" 512mb 2002 made Transcend RAM for server,.. outlived many other premium RAM that I owned. Sadly it died after 8 years of aprox 70% 24/7 use. They don't make any more good quality chips these days... only price stayed.. quality didn't!

 

The only difference is the price. If we're talking about laptops then overclocking doesn't really matter, and if we're talking desktops then pretty much every motherboard worth buying has the ability to adjust the ram/fsb ratio so that even when your CPU is overclocked, the memory isn't.

 

Is there any reason for that, apart from successful marketing on their part?

When I optimized the timings on my desktop rig, especially tRAS, I did see noticeable gains in computing power (10% gain in SuperPi).

that's what she said.

 

Anywhere else? People don't use SuperPi day in and day out, though.

 

Exactly, 10% in synthetic benchmarks, not real life use. More RAM > faster RAM.

 

I assume you mean Vista as well when you say 'Windows 7'. I can clearly see that Vista also use all the 'idle RAM' as cache. Not sure if that was the case in XP. BTW, this is with superfetch disabled.

 

Yes, Vista also cached files in RAM. Most of the time, though, in my total 4GB of RAM, I still see somewhere between 0.5-1 GB entirely free, unused by either my applications or Windows' caching.

And to the OP, really, for all intents and purposes for 98% of all consumers, all compatible RAM with lifetime warranties are identical.

 

I have never used Vista: I went from XP to 7. Thanks for informing me.

 

Good thing you didn't use Vista pre-SP1. I beta tested Vista, I'd rather be shot, beaten, and stabbed all at once than use Vista beta again.

I never touched Vista til March of '09.

At any rate, buy reputable RAM and you should be fine.

 

useless bull rant against vista detected

but besides, yeah, invest the money in MORE ram, not "faster" ram. even if you can get 10% gain in superpi, that's not worth a cent. 10% gain is not much. i got my last 2gb module for 5$. it gave me much more than 10% gain in daily usage.

 

You are saying Vista was absolutely stable pre-SP1? lolk

After SP1, Vista was fine.

 

Even Windows 7 with all the latest update is not 'absolutely' stable

I used Vista RTM that came with my notebook in 2007 and didn't find it to have any problem(I did upgrade the RAM to 2.5G) in the sense that I delayed the SP1 update for quite a few months(as it was giving me no problem and I didn't know what SP1 would do to it).

 

Meh, I despised Vista until SP1, though not Microsoft's fault that many manufacturers didn't start writing drivers til near release time even though the driver model was released nearly a year before. Creative still had driver issues with their Soundblaster cards til after SP2..

I have yet to run into an issue with Windows 7, beta/RC/retail. In fact the only thing that crashed during RC was iTunes. The big o' iTunes download button was for 32 bit only, which I found out with random freezing and USB ports not working then Windows 7 BSOD'd. I rebooted and it detected iTunes caused it and removed it. Turns out there was a teeny tiny button for a link that said, do you have 64 bit Windows, click here! Stupid Apple!

 

Guys! What means high density RAM? It looks like it's not good, is it? II am thinking of buying cheap RAM Avexir and in google I saw on search page that it is high density