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    What is the damage to hardware by holding powerkey to shut down?

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by laggedout, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. laggedout

    laggedout Notebook Consultant

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    I have been doing it A LOT recently and in a consecutive manner in close time proximity. This is ALL because of sleep issue and crashing everytime.

    What is the damage to the hardware for hard reset by holding onto power key to shut down?
     
  2. dietcokefiend

    dietcokefiend DietGreenTeaFiend

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    Wearing out the shutdown button.
     
  3. Linuxperiment

    Linuxperiment Notebook Consultant

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    LOL. Couldn't help but laugh.
     
  4. tuηay

    tuηay o TuNaY o

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    lol :D
    Well you can damage system files wich is in use. And that can make your system un-stable
     
  5. namaiki

    namaiki "basically rocks" Super Moderator

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    I once got a hard drive head stuck to a platter like this.. but it was more like the drive spun up and down (on and off) 10 times and then died.
     
  6. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    HDD damage is a risk.

    I hate having to manual power down, you can hear the loud "click" noise that is the hdd read heads crashing down on a disk moving at 7200rpm so its like using the read head as a disk brake system.
     
  7. thetank256

    thetank256 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Like the above poster said, I think the hard drive is about the only thing that could be damaged (as far as hardware goes). You might try to reload the video driver to help with the sleep mode issues. I had the same problem not too long ago.
     
  8. madmook

    madmook Notebook Evangelist

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    Make sure your hard disk is not in the process of saving anything you might be working on, and you'll minimize the chances of corrupting data. But as stated above, there's always a risk whenever you do a hard shutdown like that.
     
  9. usapatriot

    usapatriot Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Risk to the HDD is negligible.
     
  10. Evolution

    Evolution Vox Sola

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    Correct...with modern hard drives the risk is very minimal to almost nonexistent.
     
  11. qhn

    qhn Notebook User

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    Not so much to hardware with machines nowadays, but you probably would knock off some apps during hard shutdown eventually.

    Fix your comp sleep issue.

    cheers ...
     
  12. iGrim

    iGrim Notebook Evangelist

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    Nothing will happen to the HD. Some people seem to be stuck in 1996 when this was an issue.
     
  13. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    that loud "click" is not what you think it is.
    it's just the read head moveing quickly to the side as to avoid hitting the disk.

    Otherwise you would have a lot of bad clusters.
     
  14. ramgen

    ramgen -- Morgan Stanley --

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    Why is the head moving to the side? Can't it be retracted slowly? Why would it hit the disk?

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  15. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It can't be retracted slowly because you've just cut the power to the notebook.

    also you're right, it is unlikely that it will hit the disk but there is a small chance.
     
  16. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    I hear a high pitched squeal though sound very much like how it would if it was dragged on a disk moving. its not just a click like the head moved.

    It could be be maybe it just rebounds, but it doesnt sound good anyways.
     
  17. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    high pitched squeal does sound pretty bad.
    have you run some sort disk utility to check if there has been damage caused?
     
  18. xxbadboys93

    xxbadboys93 Notebook Deity

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    I think you are wrong because when i shut down my computer THE RIGHT WAY :) I hear the clicking noise. I would just say you would sometimes loose files that are in use, and you wont Damage your hard drive.
     
  19. namaiki

    namaiki "basically rocks" Super Moderator

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    The drive heads ride on a cushion of air that is there when the platter is spinning fast enough. So when you turn on, the platter spins up and then the head moves in.

    When you tell your computer to shut down, at the end the drive head is parked first and then the platter slows down.
    When you hold the power button, the platter slows down and the head retract at the same time. So if you're really unlucky the head could hit the platter if the drive slows down faster than the head moves to the side into parking position.

    In my situation after the head got stuck, the drive would not spin up again the next time I turned on my computer, so I had to open up the casing of the hard drive and pull the drive head to the side before I could get my data off.

    This is probably the worst outcome for anyone ever, and I doubt it would ever happen again.
     
  20. garetjax

    garetjax NBR Freelance Reviewer NBR Reviewer

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    I'm that voided the hard drives warranty... :eek:
     
  21. laggedout

    laggedout Notebook Consultant

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    Wouldnt it blow any circuits anyway. For example if you turn electronics connected to a standard fuse on and off really quick you can blow the fuse cause the transient startup current can be higher than steady state, so on and off quickly means higher than normal current and it melts the fuse. Same idea, would this not cause problems somewhere? Damage to some capacitors or something? How does the hold down shutdown key work anyway? Is it a capacitor thing? Why is it when you hold a while it can hard shutdown. (I dont think its a programmed software thing? cause if your comp is crashed it is pointless)