What will come after Intel Core i7-9750H?

Hey guys, the question motivates me, because I heard rumors about new architecture which will be much faster than current generations. Anyway i m not sure when will that happen, maybe it is happen after Core i7-9750H?

 

Rumors of much faster CPUs are always in abundance. Sadly that's all they are and will be for quite a while. Yes the CPU that comes after the 9750H will be faster, no one yet knows how much faster or when it will be released.

 

Ice lake is coming at the end of this year. Based on the new Sunny Cove microarchitecture and 10nm+ process. It will will feature Intel's Gen11 graphics, so we will see definiately more interesting performance jump than between the last few gen. CPUs.

 

Announcements for 8 core i9-9880h and 9990hk are soon, according to the rumours and leaks.

As for the next gen... I'm not 100% it'll even be 10nm(+) given how long Intel's promises on 10nm have been proven to be fud, let alone what gains in performance their revised 10nm brings, but I think how much gain will depend more on how much of a game changer Zen 2 / Ryzen 3000 in mobile proves to be. Intel typically give an unimpressive 10-15% year on year when their only competition is their own older products. When they're pushed, like with Zen, we get things like the 8th gen 6-core coffee lake after mainstream languished on quads for a decade, and 8th gen 15W quad U series CPUs

 

Lol... 10 to 15% year on year? Not likely. Nobody has done that for a long time. Except for the dumbphone makers.

If I was saving 48 to 72 minutes every day per 8 hour day, I'd be upgrading every 3 months.

 

Sunny Cove is the architectural improvement that will bring in the major bump in single thread performance increase over the current architecture which hasn't seen much if any single core IPC improvements since Sky Lake (2015) (all they done is effectively just add more cores since then do improve performance) but no we haven’t seen like 10-15% single thread gains every year. That was long back.

Sunny Cove was supposed to be released later this year but maybe delayed till 2020 now, the Sunny Cove architecture is going to be paired with a 2x more powerful IGP, which will be nice for ultra books and systems without dedicated graphics.

 

the first chart from china,so 9750H isn't that stronger and we still have to consider heat+throttling never-get boost-clock speed:

 

To elaborate:
Considering performance (speed, IPC, core count) and power efficiency and other gains in together, each gen of performance laptop CPU - what this thread is about - from 2nd thru 9th with their approx. yearly generation release is about that much better than the last for equivalent positioned products.

 

If we take just 10%, then around the 4th or 5th gen we would be where we are today, performance-wise (more accurately; productivity-wise).

Today's platforms would be giving us ~215% more than those gen 2's. More than double from where we're at today.

I'll be the first to say that a newer platform is always better, for some of the same reasons you state. But performance has not jumped that significantly except for a couple of times.

IPC, core count, and power efficiency do not make for a more productive platform on their own. Sheer, raw, horsepower does.

Theoretical improvements are not what put projects out the door. And no amount of synthetic 'scores' can hide the fact that while almost every single aspect may be in the 10% to 15% range better, the overall productivity of the platform falls far short of those purely for marketing 'numbers'.

Still worth for me to upgrade (almost) yearly. Just not seeing the upgrades with any of the tintings that the rose-colored glass wearers do.

 

I'm not in disagreement with any of that, but I was only originally talking about "better" CPU capability - maximum theoretical/benchmark performance - not productivity or implementation or individual user work flow or upgrade cost effectiveness or even what people prioritise when considering a purchase (look at my sig, I'm certainly guilty of abandoning rationality in the past few years), all of which introduce variables.


If someone can snag a 8750H in a well cooled laptop with an unlocked power limit, it'll run rings around a 9750H in some thin thing and could well be significantly cheaper in some EOL stock clearance sale. If performance and value are worth the tradeoffs to the potential buyer. But that's taking real world into account, and not an equal comparison of only the CPUs.

 

The only thing that counts is real world productivity, and you seem to agree at the end of your post while differing in the beginning.

The benchmark/theoretical variables are a non-issue.

These are the only variables that count:
I have $$$$$$ to spend, and I have a current platform for my well-documented workload. Does a new platform allow me to complete my current workload in a shorter timeframe, or can I do more in the same timeframe?

No? No deal.

Yeah? Take my $$$$$$ now!!!

Everything else is just hot air and youtube, clickbait videos.

 

hey bennyg -

I have an i7-8750H CPU in my eSports Arena Overpowered OP-LP2 laptop, and it runs circles around quite a few AlienWare, Asus, HP and MSI laptops with the i7-9750H CPU, in both Cinebench R20 and Geekbench 4.4.1 (x64) - both very close to "real-world" benchmarks (as opposed to Passmark or Sisoft Sandra, for example).

-Trev

 

Mostly due new stepping(implemented security patches) for i7-9750H

 

Gotcha -

btw, I meant "Cinebench R20" (not R15)..

I can't quite figure it out, since the 9750H has a raw 400 MHz clock speed advantage over my 8750H, yet mine routinely trounces it in single IPC and multi- performance, while completely maintaining its thermal composure. Maybe "Throttle Stop" to the rescue, here? (One can only wonder how 9750s would fare with it).

Then, of course, there's the i9-9900K, an 8C/16T beast. Smoly hokes!

 

The implemented security patches will take a hit on the performance. With Throttlestop tweaks and equal cooling it should be around equal performance or slightly higher performance for 9th gen i7-9750H. Depends on what you’re running. But in short it doesn’t matter what of them you have. Still a BGA Tragedy.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...50h-coffee-lake.810891/page-129#post-10913569

 

Not sure what you mean by a "BGA Tragedy", as my 8750H-based laptop is a barn-burner, from the word "go". Do you mean that since the CPU is BGA (just as the 9750h is, too), that it can't be upgraded? It's true, it can't be upgraded. But that's irrelevant to me, since I knew from the outset that I didn't need it to be upgradable - it's wicked fast enough. I also knew from the outset that this laptop will be fairly "future-proof" for several years to come... especially since it also has an nVidia GTX-1060 GPU with 6GB DDR5 (RTX ray-tracing to me is still mostly hype, is still in its infancy, and won't be mainstream for quite a while). I also have a Samsung 512GB nVME PCIe 3 x16 SSD, along with 16 GB (2 x 8GB) of Crucial Ballistix DDR4 2666 MHz RAM, @C11. The screen is a 15.6" 144Hz IPS panel. Plus, I bought it brand new last December 2018 for only $799 USD (I added the SSD and Win10 Pro). I have absolutely zero regrets. This thing's a beast in its own right, and an incredible bargain to boot.

 

I’m hoping ice lake will entice me enough to finally upgrade from sandy bridge.

 

If Coffee Lake couldn't entice you to upgrade from Sandy Bridge, I don't see how Ice Lake will, given what we've seen of 10nm so far has been disappointing to say the least, at least in terms of clockspeeds.