What's AMD coming out with?

So we all know Intel is coming out with some great improvements for 2011, specifically in notebooks.

I am planning on getting a notebook in late summer 2011, and am wanting to get a thin-and-light 11"-13" notebook with great battery life and decent performance with both the processor and the graphics card.

Just curious, is AMD coming out with any significant updates soon? I don't mind the AMD processor in my DM3z and I actually like that it gets decent graphics performance, but unfortunately 4.5 hours on a single charge isn't enough for me.

 

Intel is still going to be the superior choice unfortunately. If you want the best battery life, that will have to be your choice.

 

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I found that AMD's CPU's are about a generation behind Intel's. Their new ones will be able to compete with Core 2 CPU's.

 

That won't be true once cpu's based on Bulldozer are out.

 

For that class of notebooks, your AMD option will probably be something with the Ontario "APU" (what AMD calls its combination of CPU and GPU). Not much is currently known about its performance or battery life at the moment -- unlike Llano (Ontario's analogue for larger notebooks), Ontario's CPU is a new design rather than a stripped down Phenom II. From AMD's roadmaps, we know that it is a dual-core processor with 1MB of cache and from more recent news, we know that it won't be 32nm as originally intended, but instead a 40nm chip made at TSMC. Ontario-based notebooks are going to be out quite early in 2011 (AMD claims the chips will ship to manufacturers late in 2010) so you if you're buying in summer 2011, you'll have plenty of time to gather information before that.

Bulldozer is fundamentally a server chip. There will be a version for high-end consumer desktops, but it will be a long time before it makes it into notebooks (with the possible exception of Clevo monstrosities that currently run Gulftown in the case that Bulldozer is superior). AMD's high-end laptop option through 2011 will be Llano, the CPU part of which is a 32nm die shrink of a crippled Phenom II (which they might un-cripple given that the new process gives them thermal headroom). It's not clear what the performance of Bulldozer will be, but I'd be very surprised if AMD came anywhere near Intel in pure CPU performance as far as notebooks are concerned.

 

i seriously don't think AMD will come close.. the phenon 2 processors are already crapping out due to low cache and lack of HT and Turbo Boost.. if AMD wants to keep on playing cheap , it isn't even going to come near intel especially in 2011 with Sandy Bridge comming out.. and as for AMD , its actually 2 generations behind intel in mobile markets.. the Phenon N930 gets a similar score to my T9400 which is from 2008..

 

Do you mind if I ask what the heck you are talking about? I haven't seen one benchmark that puts the T9400 anywhere near the N930, except for SuperPI but that only uses one thread. The N930 is basically equaled in multi-threaded performance to some C2D, like the T9800/9900, but those are equal to the 520M and 540M in many benchmarks as well. You are just spewing crap right now, no offense.

 

Ok..lets kill some lies....

First off....the 2011 AMD CPUs are getting AMD's SMT (Hyper Threading).
Second, their system will allow the GPU to do the CPU's job,which should give the current gen a huge advantage.
Intel is not doing this,they are just trying to force Intel IGPs.
I think 2011 will be a good year for AMD.

 

Look it up on notebookcheck. In single threaded benchmarks like SuperPi 1M or Cinebench R10 Single, the T9400 will utterly crush the N930 (18 seconds to 38 seconds and 2848 to 1737 respectively). In multi-threaded benchmarks like Dhrystone and Cinebench R10 Multi, the N930 is ahead by about 15-20% (28000 to 23652 and 6583 to 5341 respectively). In a test of pure clock speed (cache doesn't matter) like Wprime, the tables turn and the N930 will crush the T9400.

In real life performance, the T9400 will be far superior to the N930 as long as you only need 1 or 2 threads, slightly better when you are using 3 threads and slightly worse when using 4 threads or more. It's a testament to the quality of the Core 2 architecture that its dual-core parts are still competitive with quad-core ones from 2 years later.

What are you talking about? All AMD is doing is putting a GPU on the CPU die. It's almost certainly going to be more powerful than whatever GPU Intel has in Sandy Bridge, but it's not going to be doing the CPU's job any more than modern discreet GPUs do (i.e. you will get hardware acceleration for various video related things).

 

That is exactly what I said but, like I also said, the T9400 is comparable to the Core i processors in single threaded performance as well. My point is that the higher end C2Ds still compete with the Core i processors, just like AMD's new processors. sean473 seems to be under the impression that the Core i processors blow the C2Ds and AMD processors away.

 

This. 10char

 

excuse me but i really don't see how a N930 can beat anything other than a core i5? It doesn't even come close to i7-620m or quad i7...

 

If you're just going on the internet or typing up an office document it probably won't matter.

The issue with AMDs has not been performance as any modern dual core chip offers more than enough for everyday usage, but heat. AMDs in my experience always have run hotter. If AMD offers a lower heat product that has the processing power as a Core 2 Duo at a lower price, then things will become interesting. Until then Intel can just offer i3s or Txx00 CPUs to offset AMD price advantage.

 

It can't compete with the i7 quads in performance, no one said it could, but it beats them in price, thermal efficiency, and battery life. It also beats the i5s in price and thermal efficiency, ties in performance, and loses in battery life.

 

So this is the closest thing to a Llano thread I can find that's not been closed. We should be seeing some Llano laptops in a few months and at least manu press releases for up and coming models soon.

AMD ships Llano, the ultimate HTPC processor

If anyone has any more recent info, get it up here!

 

You know, you could just start a new thread rather than necromancy-ing one from 9 months ago.

In any case, we still don't know much about Llano -- it will have a much better graphics component than Sandy Bridge and a much worse CPU component, but that was obvious last year. Battery life and heat are still anybody's guess.

 

There is already a thread

http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...t-upgrades/505702-amd-fusion-info-thread.html

 

Thanks, I'll use that then.