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    When are all the ultra portable netbooks with Nvidia's Ion going to come out......

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by alazar14, Aug 25, 2009.

  1. alazar14

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    So back in Jan 2009 Nvidia said that by summer-fall we would start to see many netbooks with their new Ion based processor. In some videos you can see a HP 1000 netbook run CoD4 at around 15-25 FPS side by side to a Intel Atom processor only with CoD4 crashing.

    Anyhow when are these netbooks going to hit the market. Most importantly how long before netbooks as small as the Dell Mini 1000 come out with Ion?

    Are there any available already that are 10.1 inch and ultra portable?
     
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    Samsung N510 is out in some countries in Europe.

    Maybe in 4 weeks or so in US? I don't know.
     
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    ION will never be in netbooks (netbooks are 10" and under). Its Mfred using 55nm and uses too much power to run. You'll have to wait until Ion 2 platform which will use 40nm process.
     
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    WOOT Now when is that puppy coming to the States for retail release?
     
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    Samsung and I think it was Lenovo,both delayed their ION netbooks for the Windows 7 release
     
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    Samsung N510 is shipping in Europe now.
     
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    I'm getting mine in 2 days :p

    I'll review it and selling it on ebay afterwards.
     
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    VERY nice and an awesome price point roughly 450 bucks right?
     
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    350 euros for the POV 10" is 500 US $.

    But it should be cheaper to buy when it comes to the US.
     
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    So the reason we are not seeing a lot of netbooks with this out right now is they are waiting for the windows 7 upgrade?

    Won't that windows 7 upgrade make their price go up by at least 100 dollars though from the current standard of 500 max?
     
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    LOLz...that is hardly a netbook. Just look how laughbly thick and bulky it is. Its so thick and bulky because it requires a bigger cooling system and bigger battery to run compared to Intel.

    Current Ion solution will simply not be in real netbooks. It pulls too much power and requires too big of a cooling system.

    Netbook + todays Ion solution = THICK BRICK

    Wait for Ion 2.0....
     
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    Then explain what a netbook is if these 10 inch ION [computers] are not netbooks?
     
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    I was looking forward to the Ion-Atom netbooks too till I got wind of the new CULV powered laptops with Intel's GMA4500 like the Acer 1410. All the benefits of an Ion netbook (weight, HD capable, battery life, portability, cost) without the drawbacks of an Atom. Considering what Ion netbooks such as the Samsung and the Lenovo S10 are going to cost at launch, I don't think they're worth it.
     
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    Acer 1410 looks really nice ill look into them more. The problem I see already though is they come with vista.... why don't they just pack them with XP.
     
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    They cant,Microsoft said so

    In any case,if you werent interested in the Nvidia GPU, you shouldnt have been interested in ION in the first place, there are a lot better options out there for battery life that runs on Intel chips
     
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    Main reason I was interested in Ion is it shows a lot of promise when it comes to graphical power on a netbook. I want to be able to run my old school games on my netbook. These games run fine on high settings 25-45fps on a integrated graphics chip on most laptops from 2008 but I'm not sure any other non Nvidia ion could run a game like FFXI or Diablo 2.

    And yes I am looking for the smallest, most portable way to run these games possible. As well as the longest battery life I can find for under $500. Visual quality is no real problem since iv seen FFXI run decently on this netbook Asus 1005HA-H: and its acceptable to me but Would like it to be a bit better.
     
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    thats why I turned my eyes onto the Yukon platform
     
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    If the 1005HA-H's graphics were acceptable, the 1410 should definitely be adequate.
     
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    Actually the 1410 with SU3500 lacks some power for Flash HD and H264 1080p. Also, DXVA playback with X4500 is hit and miss.

    The ION platform may be a viable alternative. Adobe has promised Nvidia support in a future upgrade and 1080p H264 will already be playable.
     
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    You have to understand that Ion is only good for gaming.

    1. NOBODY is going to be running or cares about "HD video" on a freakin netbook. Get real you've got to be kidding me....

    2. FINE, There are some out there that may want to run some games once in awhile. The other 95+% of people dont/ and the 5% that do will realize that even with Ion, gaming on a netbook SUCKS.

    What does this mean? This means that Ion provides NOTHING over Intels graphics in current netbooks....

    Also people act like Intels graphics cant play 3D games at all. Yes it can. It gets almost 3000 score in 3dmark2001se which means it can easily run older 3D games...
     
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    While I agree with you, let people decide what they want. Personally, I don't see the attraction of Ion either.
     
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    First iGrim claims there are no netbooks with ION.

    Now iGrim claims no one is interested in playing HD on a netbook :)
     
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    Heh. I watched movies on my old 10" Asus 1000H and currently watch 720p movies on my 12" Lenovo x200. I'm certain there are people who will be enjoying HD movies on the 12" Lenovo Ion S12.

    Sorry iGrim, you're totally off on this one. The Intel graphics in current netbooks just aren't good enough for consistent HD playback compared to the Ion.
     
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    Is there something new from Intel that is going to come out sometime this year that will rival Ion or at least be a acceptable 3D graphics chip?
     
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    It may sound nice all in all to have a powerful GPU (ION) in a netbook but I believe it does compromise battery life and they will have to spend alot of time to engineer a lightweight netbook that can get rid of the heat generated from the board and keep its weight to a minimal
     
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    ION is integrated and it looks like Samsung N510 will have good battery life.

    Also, Macbook 13" has best in class battery life on a 6 cell battery with Nvidia 9400.
     
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    The GMA500 that's coupled with the Atom Z-series is more than capable of handling HD video, even up to 1080p, given the right drivers. Unfortunately, Windows XP and its drivers can't take advantage of GPU acceleration like Vista and 7 can.

    Even without the considering the GMA500, the N-series Atom can play 720p videos just fine with the CoreAVC codecs. I don't know what your definition of "consistent playback" of HD video is, but it's clear that the current generation can play HD video.
     
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    Actually Windows XP works 100% perfect with 1080p H264 playback on GMA 500.

    Problem with GMA500 is that it's acceleration doesn't work for Flash HD. Nvidia is supposed to accelerate Flash HD in the near future.
     
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    Not bad The N510 but there's no way I'm ever going to pay more than 500 bucks including tax and shipping for something that comes with an Atom processor....
     
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    I have yet to see a netbook with the Ion platform. No, please dont post that ridiculously thick and BULKY brick of a laptop that Nvidia is trying to claim is a netook when in reality it is NOT.
     
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    Look iGrim you said "there will be no netbooks with Ion". I showed you one 11.6" netbook with ION. Then you said netbooks have to be 10" or less. OK fair point. I showed you two netbooks with 10" and ION. Now you try disqualifying the two 10" ION netbooks as bricks. That doesn't make sense because they're lighter than Asus 1000HE and 1000H.

    And to finish it all of Samsung will release the N508, another 10" netbook with ION.

    So saying "there will be no netbooks with Ion" is fairly inaccurate. No problem with that, you did not have all the information you have now.
     
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    I must agree that the Macbook 13" has outstanding battery life, but it is not a netbook.

    The N510 is intresting but I guess we will see how it sums up when the production line comes out!
     
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    I know it's not a netbook, but the reason I posted it is that it's Nvidia 9400M, like ION.

    So if the Mac can get very good battery life, Samsung should be able too.

    But let's wait and see. It should be posted today or tomorrow.
     
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    1. I can agree with...kinda. Unless of course,they want to use their laptop to play HD video/BluRay and output via an external TV or Monitor with HDMI. But yeah, watching HD on the laptop screen is kinda...weird.

    2. Definetely disagree with. Playing some older games or newer games at low settings is no different than people playing dumbed down games on a PSP or DS
     
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    Why would it be weird? Several 10" netbooks come with 1366*768 resolution. Very good for 720p playback.
     
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    Well,I would think that most people associate "High Def" with "Large Screens".

    Not that I'm saying I wouldnt play HD if I could,but I've never been someone to to go all ape with HD over SD.
     
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    I can say that's not true based on experience. I got the CoreAVC codecs for the sole purpose of playing 720p videos on my old 1000H and although large chunks of movies would play smoothly, there would always be at least a couple of scenes where playback would slow down or stutter.

    ETA: Which netbooks have the GMA500?
     
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    ^ True. And an even bigger problem is Youtube HD on the Atom. When Flash will be GPU accelerated ION will have a big advantage over Intel integrated graphics.
     
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    The Asus 1101HA, the Dell Mini 10 and 12, and I think there was an Acer or two who had the GMA500 as well. The GMA500 is what's being paired with the Pineview Atom.
     
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    MSI Wind U115 is another one with GMA500. And the upcoming Nokia Booklet.
     
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    Netbooks are not TVs!

    Secondly, Netbooks are intended to be THIN light and small units. A laptop the size of a BRICK with a 10" screen is not a netbook...(Nvidia ION units)
     
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    How do you account for portable DVD players then? People have been watching videos on screens this size for quite some time. Netbooks with Ion now make it possible to do so with HD movies.

    When I think bricks, I think clunky laptops from the early 2000s and desktop replacement notebooks. Ion powered netbooks like the Lenovo S12 and the Samsung N510 are most definitely not bricks. A little above 10" but sill without a doubt thin, light and small. They're thinner, lighter and smaller than my Lenovo x200 which is considered an ultraportable.
     
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    Wait for Samsung N508. My glass ball says it's going to be announced next week ;)
     
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    Ok then, we shall see. I HIGHLY doubt it will be a nice thin 10" netbook though...
     
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    your arguing with the guy who is mad because everyone is using 16:9 screens which are good for...well,watching TV and movies on ;)
     
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