When is the next die shrink for GPUs?

When is the next die shrink for GPUs? That is when i plan on upgrading my GPU so i am curious when it will be...well if it is real soon then i'll actual wait but it tends to be the sweet spot.

found this and this

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphi...hics_Chips_Using_20nm_Process_Technology.html

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...y-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless

Read the first article and hearing intel is delaying 14nm a whole year! i was like intel is going to eat that move with TSMC getting 20nm running. Intel would no longer have a lead on everyone but as seeing TSMC is having issues too supposedly i guess things will remain the same expect technology will be held back a whole year!!!!! NOOOO!!!!! I feel like a year of my life will be wasted!. I guess IB and 28nm GNC was a perfect upgrade ^^

 

Ah, don't base your life on a companies (future) product decisions.

Base your decisions on products actually available at time of purchase and get on with your life.

Also, while it's good to know and keep up with the (their now old) plans/goals manufacturer's have for their future products - don't let that keep you from properly evaluating what you 'need' right now. Only if you allow this to happen will you be 'wasting your life'.


Criteria:
Do you need to buy today/tomorrow/next 60 days?

Is the upgrade/component/system 'mission-critical'?


If both answers to the above Q's are 'yes':

Then consider ONLY products which are highly available, proven in your field and expected workflow and most importantly have shown to be reliable for the expected length of ownership too.

With the above due diligence done; and your digital life taken care of for the moment - use and enjoy what you have for as long as it makes economic sense to keep doing so.


Bottom line:
You are in control of your life and you can decide to see it as 'full' or 'wasted'. Choose wisely.

Because in this type of situation, nobody else is able to enjoy what you don't have either...

 

I know this tiller......i can get by with anything i want to get by with ^^ I just like to try to keep the best i can get with minimal cost ^^ I am froogle. Die shrinks tend to be the best bang for your buck and last the longest....at least in my experience so i was just looking to see what my time frame might be. I am quick content with my 7970m for now. I really won't bother upgrading my desktop until i can get a good card for cheap or when i can get my hands on a good 4k screen. So i got aways to go i know ^^

read the links i posted. That chart is irrelevant now with new information that is out.

 

Both those articles are over a year old! What the heck?

Even this is more recent: GTC 2013: Nvidia Maxwell and Volta Next Generation GPU Architectures | Custom PC Review

 

yea but is 2014 still even legit? Even Intel is pushing their product line back. That is why i am asking.

Also what about AMD? I haven't found anything on them yet...though i was focusing more on TSMC search related material

 

Intel Broadwell is still slated for next year, but it's mobile only. 20nm graphics cards are also slated for next year.

 

Those articles are irrelevant. They have been having problems with TSMC for a long time, everyone that uses TSMC has been having problems with them. They use them because GF the only other players that would matter doesnt have enough tech to do it.

I disagree with nvidia, here is the problem:

You want to get faster things, what you do is cram more transistors, since you dont want a gpu that will have the size of a truck, the need of electricity of an industry and the cost of plane you shrink things.

getting new machines, training personal, and the loss of use of those old very expensive machines comes into the equation. Only a moron couldnt see that the race for the die manufacturing shrink wont raise the cost.

As things get more popular and the production doesnt ramp up to feed it, prices go up. Thats what happened to the wafers, there is basically one large enough guy at germany that makes those

So in the end the problem here is the use of entry barriers for new players, the amount of players and other dumb decisions that come with people that operate in a closed competition scenario that lead to this pitiful if not shameful thing that nvidia said in that article.

 

So if mobile is on track but desktop is not how does that affect the timeline? (overall) Will they just skip broadwell for desktop and push skylake or whatever the following year? I am personally interested in an ultrabook with broadwell iris GPU depending when it is released....if they release it real late than it maybe irrelevant.

 

hell if I know, I can only make a case with info, I dont have any info on that, I could only speculate that with dwindling sales of desktops they are focusing in profitable areas, like high end (which we dont have anything on the haswell E), mobile and ultra mobile

so thats excludes the broadwell for desktops? nope

 

Relevant to the topic of die shrinks: Moore’s Law could stay on track with extreme UV progress | Ars Technica.

To give a short summary: the laws of physics are starting to get in the way of the current manufacturing tech for CPUs which will soon be hindering die shrinks. There are also other concerns related to heat generation and how much you can lower the voltage without getting errors between what is a 0 and a 1 (attended a conference on that about a year ago, so my memory is a bit fuzzy on the details) which will eventually creep up with the way processors are made (we're not there yet).

 

If Maxwell desktop v.c.'s come out in 2014 then I guess I shouldn't buy that Geforce 780 that I drool about. My 570 HD is still ok, but I can't game everything at 2560 x 1600 resolution, only a few games can do this. Otherwise, I game at 1920 x 1200.