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    Which SSD ? OCZ VERTEX 120GB or Intel x25-m 80GB for T61

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by lowspeed, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. lowspeed

    lowspeed Notebook Evangelist

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    So which one should i go with ?




    Thanks!
     
  2. Commander Wolf

    Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?

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    If price isn't an issue, go with the Intel. Vertex seems to be a solid drive, but the X25-M is simply that much faster. The X25-M has also been on the market for a significant amount of time, so its steady-state performance characteristics are much better known.

    I do believe that some members of the T60 series have bandwidth caps on the SATA bus; you may not be able to utilize all of either drive's sequential read and write speeds, but you should still benefit from the fantastic IO performance of the X25-M.
     
  3. Darth Bane

    Darth Bane Dark Lord of the Sith

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    don't forget about storage. I was thinking of the intel x25-m, but I couldn't live with just 80gb. 120GB might not seem like a lot more, but it is.
     
  4. lowspeed

    lowspeed Notebook Evangelist

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    Well it's 50% more to be exact :)


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  5. mullenbooger

    mullenbooger Former New York Giant

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    Get samsung/corsair if you don't plan on updating your laptop anytime soon since the t61 is capped at sata I speeds.
     
  6. lowspeed

    lowspeed Notebook Evangelist

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    Why is it capped ?
     
  7. Clutch

    Clutch cute and cuddly boys

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    There is a limited through put of the bus
     
  8. lowspeed

    lowspeed Notebook Evangelist

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    WHY ? crappy hardware or software/firmeware limitation ?
     
  9. Clutch

    Clutch cute and cuddly boys

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    The t61 is rather old tech.
     
  10. Commander Wolf

    Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?

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    Just because he's got that cap doesn't mean he shouldn't get an Intel. Like I said, he can still make use of the high IO capabilities of the X25-M AND the (relatively) high IO capabilities of the Vertex, even if he can't make use of the even higher sequential speeds. I'd still vote for Intel...

    Samsung/Corsair 128GB MLC is still a fine drive, though.
     
  11. Jlbrightbill

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    There is a subgroup of SSD users who will only recommend Intel or drives with Samsung controllers. This group of users is who posts in the SSD thread.

    I'm running a 30GB Vertex and it performs fantastically. Yes, the Intel drive is faster, but you reach a point of diminishing returns when talking about perceptible speed.
     
  12. ashura

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    I'd say it depends entirely on budget, if you can afford the X25-M in the GB required go for it and if not then get the Vertex. As mentioned earlier, both will have their max seq. speeds capped by the T61 but that shouldn't hamper the very noticeable performance improvement you'll notice doing day to day tasks with the SSD.

    JBrightbill: CW at no point said no to the Vertex as an option, he only said if the cash was available to get the X25-M which is the correct response. He also mentioned that both the X25-M and Vertex's high IO capabilities would be beneficial in the T61. So there's no shunning of the Vertex going on here...
     
  13. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Best bang for your buck is Samsung 256GB MLC SSD from Dell w/ coupon.
     
  14. Jlbrightbill

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    When people are recommending Samsung's SSD's (Which have lower performance) over the Vertex and they actually think the Samsung performs better, that's what I'm more saying is a problem. X-25M drives are by far the best choice if you have the cash lying around; I just don't think most people need all that performance because of diminishing returns.
     
  15. AuroraAlpha

    AuroraAlpha Notebook Consultant

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    You will be capped at 150MB/s, but it is not common that a drive actually sustains its maximium speed. When you start doing random read/writes or writting files that are very small (the well known 4KB issue) a faster drive will be faster.

    If you really want to understand the issue, anandtech's article is one of the best every done and includes some great benchmarks and explinations comparing the Vertex and Intel drives along with other SSDs:
    http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3531

    And a few pages of follow-up:
    http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3535

    I know that reading 30-40 pages can be a lot if your not really into the technology, but with the cost of the drives it would be time well spent so that you can pick the drive that will be the best value for you. How you use your drive will drasticly effect which drive you should have.
     
  16. mullenbooger

    mullenbooger Former New York Giant

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    Thats actually a good point, i never thought of the higher speed for smaller writes and reads that are below the cap. I wonder how big of a difference in speed would be noticed in a capped system. In any case the intel and vertex are close or getting close in price to the slower corsair drive.
     
  17. lowspeed

    lowspeed Notebook Evangelist

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    ordered the x25-m....

    Hope i see a crazy difference between that and my stock 120gb 5400RPM drive.
     
  18. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    you should.. :)
     
  19. lowspeed

    lowspeed Notebook Evangelist

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    Just got it. Made in freakin China.


    Its going to die after 2 weeks.
     
  20. mullenbooger

    mullenbooger Former New York Giant

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    The majority of your electronics are made in asia, I wouldn't worry about it. Where do you think your t61 came from?
     
  21. AuroraAlpha

    AuroraAlpha Notebook Consultant

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    I agree with mullenbooger; what isn't made in china/asia?

    Is there something specifically wrong with it? I havn't heard bad things about the drive before so if there is something noticable and different from all the other ones you're intitled to a replacement.

    Also, do keep us updated. Notice any improvment in your system?
     
  22. J.R. Nelson

    J.R. Nelson Minister of Awesome

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    I just ordered a couple of the OCZ Vertex drives today; I'm pumped to see how well they perform.
     
  23. K-TRON

    K-TRON Hi, I'm Jimmy Diesel ^_^

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    All of the Samsung SSD's should be manufactured in Korea, since most of their facilities are there.
    They may be assembled in China, if they are, but Samsung makes all of their memory in their FABs in Korea

    K-TRON
     
  24. lowspeed

    lowspeed Notebook Evangelist

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    Well i put mine in.... couldn't get the system to book.

    It would keep getting stuck in the splash screen (but only half into it)

    I've had this problem with my regular HD but usually a couple of reboots it will get pass that...

    So maybe the MB is bad... who knows... tomorrow i'll try it on my desktop ...



    And frankly i don't like chinese made stuff, i think its poor quality, they don't care about the enviorment, they'll put lead in stuff if they could get away with it.
    Korean Japanese, thai, i'm ok with.
     
  25. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    no one caught this ???

    80 is not 50% of 120 lol



    i just bought a vertex drive as Well :D ill put up benchs vs my 7200 rpm 160
     
  26. Commander Wolf

    Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?

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    No, but 120 is 50% more than 80, which is what I believe the guy meant.
     
  27. manatou

    manatou Notebook Enthusiast

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    50% of 80 GB is 40 GB. 80 + 40 = 120.
     
  28. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    o crap my bad lol late night just got off work ... 7am-12am my days suck :(
     
  29. lemonspeaker

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    Hey guys how much do the Intel X25-M goes for these days?
    Where can I fine a super cheap BRAND NEW one?
     
  30. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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  31. Commander Wolf

    Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?

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    They were down to like $350 on Newegg recently; that was pretty much the best price you could find anywhere. It's still at $363 right now which isn't bad at all; I'm seeing basically the same thing on eBay. Google shopping claims $343 to $631, but I can't find the $343 in their listing.
     
  32. lowspeed

    lowspeed Notebook Evangelist

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    So after replacing the MB on my T61... it finally works. but the read speed is average 75MB/sec

    On the desktop it was 170MB/sec..... what gives?
     
  33. mullenbooger

    mullenbooger Former New York Giant

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    The speed cap of the t61 will not allow it to get 170mb/s, but it definitely should be higher than 75. Try another benchmark program, hdtune or crystaldisk
     
  34. lowspeed

    lowspeed Notebook Evangelist

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    i got the 75 figure from hdtune
     
  35. AuroraAlpha

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    The T61 speed cap is 150MB/s. You shouldn't see anything higher then that, but there is no reason that it would be less then 150MB/s if it already reached 175MB/s.

    Did you run the text in the same way?
     
  36. lowspeed

    lowspeed Notebook Evangelist

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    it reached 75... not 175.....

    I did switch to comapatibility mode and now i'm getting 110MB/SEC


    Weird.


    -
     
  37. YW-Slayer

    YW-Slayer Notebook Enthusiast

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    Oh FFS... *rolleyes*
     
  38. stevezachtech

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    It solely depends on what you are looking for in a HDD, both manufacturer models are of good quality. If price is an issue, it can vary depending on your sources, just keep comparing prices between sellers.