Which country do you think can make best computer related consumer electronics products?

(Japanese VS Korean VS U.S)

Now, I thought till now the biggest electronics company in the world was somewhere in Japan, but surprisingly (or maybe not so surprisingly you ignorant American on me) it is actually South Korean company, Samsung. Anyways, I want your full non-bias opinion on this. Which country makes the computer related consumer products (ram, hard drive, LCD screen, Chips) product with highest and most current technology? Most innovated? Most price efficient? I know some of them can't be compared as there is no Sony mobile processor (that would be AWESome though =D) or LG wireless card, but I am talking about in general

 

taiwan. thats where alot of tech comes from

 

Germany!!!!!






















j/k , USA -> Dell <3

 

Oops, I forgot to Add Taiwan

Hell, I'll just add the "elite 4" in Asia(Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and China)]
and never heard about germany

 

You cannot fail to credit China for producing much of the worlds electronics, but how much innovation is coming from the country itself? It seems the stuff is developed in Europe, North America, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan - then actually MADE in China vs. China coming up with their own devices and innovations (iPod clones need not apply )

 

Hell yeah, Germany by far. They dont make much anymore, but the few things they do are amazing. I am going to have to vote for Korean stuff over china and japanese stuff, mainly because it is mostly crap. Korea makes much better products than China does. I support Samsung and I use a lot of their products, and the simply are amazing.

Whenever possible I do not buy products from China, I dont support slave labor, and inefficient production methods. For example, I buy Lowa shoes, because they are made in either Germany, Italy or the Czech Republic, I only buy Hitachi drives because they are made in Thailand - not like seagate who makes there crap hdd's in china. Even little things, electronics or not, I buy anything which is not made in china. I own a landscaping business, and I insist on american machines replacement parts, blades and engines. I dont buy imported crap because I know it sucks. Many of my machines are old American machines simply because they were made to the highest american quality, which unfortunately does not exist today because so stupid americans who love to save money. I do not shop at walmart or any huge business, I will gladly spend 3-5 times the amount at a family owned business.

The United States has been completely screwed because of the damn lazy americans who insist on buying the cheapest items. So essentially everything americans run on is china products. Look I hate to say this on a public forum, but it is ridiculous how people say that everything is made in china. Its not. Many things are made here in the states and in Europe but you have to pay a huge premium for them.

I dont care if its toothpicks or a car, I only buy quality goods, and that to me is American and European goods, and if I cant get what I am looking for which is made in those places, then I simply will make what I need and not support them.

I do not buy Asian products because I simply do not support slave labor and stupid monopolies which make a fortune off of exploiting slaves overseas.

I am not racist towards asian people, heck I am dating a Korean girl.
I simply do not support slave labor and when conditions apply, those who hate their jobs and who are miserable working do not produce on par with everyone else. I understand a lot of technology is made by machines and not humans, but I will support any small business which actually cares about their workers and keeps a watch on the quality of their products.

K-TRON

 

Grade-A rant there, Mr.

I don't know this forum well enough to know how far OT things are allowed to go, but it seems most products from 'developed' nations have some soul to them. Even a simple kitchen tool or clothing item from France, Japan, Canada, etc. has a very desirable, intangible property to it that makes it a delight to use (on top of generally good quality and ergonomics).

I love watches and recently purchased a JLC Master Control Automatic - it is a masterpiece. There is just an aura that the watch puts off that makes you feel a little warm on the inside.

 

anything Made In Japan is good...they are so tightly constrained for space, they cannot afford to produce crap. now that doesn't necessarily stop a Japanese company from hiring out a Chinese firm that does produce lower quality products, to manufacture something for them.

South Korea is often noted for a higher then usual quality product, similar to Japan. take the phones and LG products that come from there.

 

I spent some time in Tokyo this last summer, and pretty much everything that I heard or thought about Japan was true.

Small country, not a lot of space, and a lot of people. You can walk down any street in Central Tokyo and quickly realize that these people do NOT waste any space at all - and the stuff they do have is generally good 'quality' or better - they cannot mess around with big, cheap, filler. Everything needs to have a purpose and be used.

Very cool place.

 

One common thing about Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan

Their country is freaking small... And high tech industry is about only way they can survive

 

Once upon a blue moon people used to bash made in Japan stuff in the same way. Times change. The Japanese were copycats themselves churning out inferior copycat products. Then they slowly improved and are now making excellent gadgets. China is on the same path.

If you want to blame anyone for the economic downturn in America, blame ourselves for sitting on our lazy behinds, spending way more than what we actually take in, and not making anything worthwhile anymore that the rest of the world actually want to buy from us (aside from Britney Spears, J-Lo, etc.)

 

@ K-TRON your last paragraph is soo stereotype, ugh

anyways for me its taiwan and china, really cheap quality stuff they got there.

in the States or Europe the standard of living there is very high, really expensive and just out of range compared to Asia espcially south east Asia, i live in the philippines and would you believe my american friend spends 1000usd on books, that translates to 41000php which sends me to 1 year of a private university with books and allowance.

not everything is slave labor around here, and what not, maybe for shoes or something in china, but the tech industry its not all that bad.

 

Let's get one thing straight guys......

1 1 Intel USA 33 973 +7.7% 12.5%
2 2 Samsung Electronics South Korea 20 137 +1.5% 7.4%
3 4 Toshiba Semiconductors Japan 12 590 +24.1% 4.6%
4 3 Texas Instruments USA 12 172 -3.4% 4.5%
5 5 STMicroelectronics Italy-France 9 991 +1.4% 3.7%
6 7 Hynix South Korea 9 614 +22.2% 3.5%
7 6 Renesas Technology Japan 8 137 3.0% 3.0%
8 14 Sony Japan 8 040 +56.8% 3.0%
9 10 NXP Netherlands 6 038 +2.8% 2.2%
10 15 Infineon Germany 5 864 +14.6% 2.2%
11 8 AMD USA 5 792 -22.8% 2.1%
12 16 Qualcomm USA 5 603 +23.7% 2.1%
13 11 NEC Semiconductors Japan 5 555 -0.8% 2.1%
14 9 Freescale USA 5 349 -10.7% 2.0%
15 13 Micron Technology USA 4 943 -5.8% 1.8%
16 12 Qimonda Germany 4 186 -22.7% 1.5%
17 17 Matsu****a Electric Japan 3 946 -1.9% 1.5%
18 19 Elpida Memory Japan 3 836 +8.8% 1.4%
19 18 Broadcom USA 3 731 +1.7 1.4%
20 17 Sharp Electronics Japan 3 584 +7.3% 1.3%


SCREW the numbers, I copied and pasted and was too lazy to take them out, they're increases from previous years.

INTEL (American) is the largest semiconductor company in the world. Most of these are American or Japanese.

WHAT EXACTLY is the question, the countries in which the companies are headquartered, or the PLACES AT WHICH they are ACTUALLY manufactured???

In the end it matters not where they are made, it is almost negligible.

I've done a $hit LOAD of research in this cause I LOVE it.

80% of all semiconductors are manufactured in Taiwan. The thing is, like I said, it depends, what question?

If it's the actual company, then it's either Japan or USA. USA has Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments, Freescale ETC ETC, Japan has Toshiba, Sony, NEC, Elpida ETC ETC.

As far as that question goes, it's pretty much a tie between USA and Japan, they are the most technologically advanced countries in the world; USA designs them, the hard part. It's easy to stick silicon in a machine and spit out a semiconductor, but have you seen what the pros at these companies (HQ in USA) do all day?? I have, and it's hardcore and intense..

As far as the OTHER question goes, as I said (and I can cite my sources), Taiwan produces 80% of semiconductors annually. Taiwan wins there. Semiconductors aren't really produced in Europe or USA because it would cost WAY too much.

And when I say semiconductors and all that, NOTHING is rebranded (ie sticking someone else's name on a device made by someone else), all of this stuff is ODM.



and CORRECTION, INTEL is the largest manufacturer or semiconductors in the world, NOT samsung!!!!

 

AND KTRON, I don't wanna quote you cause I'm TOO lazy, but everything you just said, I couldn't have said better myself.

I strongly agree with you in EVERYWAY POSSIBLE

I'm not racist either, I'm half chinese, and I'm madly in love with a chinese girl. I love their culture, but when it comes to produced goods, I buy American or European stuff.

Could not have said it better myself, KTRON.

 

AND ONE last thing (I'm SOOOO SORRY for posting 3 times in a row LOL) Please pardon that.

Keep this in mind:

A significant point to note is that the vast majority of laptops on the market are manufactured by a small handful of ODMs.[3] The ODM matters more than the OEM. Major relationships include:

Quanta sells to (among others) HP/Compaq, Dell, Toshiba, Sony, Fujitsu, Acer, NEC, Gateway and IBM - note that Quanta is currently (as of August, 2007) the largest manufacturer of notebook computers in the world
Compal sells to Toshiba, HP/Compaq, Acer, and Dell
Wistron sells to HP/Compaq, Dell, IBM, NEC, and Acer
Arima sells to HP/Compaq, NEC, and Dell
Uniwill/ECS sells to IBM, Fujitsu, and Dell
Asus sells to Apple (iBook), Sony, and Samsung
Inventec sells to HP/Compaq, Toshiba, and BenQ



AND PLUS, what the heck does it matter who makes it??? (example only!!!) Intel makes the processor, seagate makes the hard drive, ASUS makes the motherboard, intel makes the wireless card, samsung makes the screen. They just ASSEMBLE IT for god's sake!!!! This is true ONLY for laptops, however...

 

Well, it is actually really good to hear that "we" are still the top manufacturers of Semiconductor business, it's meaning that Americans aren't so lazy after all. However, I was talking about computer related electronics/electronics in general. Samsung dominates market share in 15 or more different products, And they became the biggest when they surpassed Sony in 2005, I believe. Now, South Korean "tristars" (Samsung, LG, Hynix) have gets much more attention from their countrymen then in Japan, where there are choice between what, 5-6, So Korea has advantage there but if you look at Asian Economy, Japan was really rich after Korean war and American all helped em and stuff at 60's when South Korea was making 100 dollar GDP per capita (now they are making 25,000 dollar GDP per capita which I say is pretty impressive after 40 years.) So Japan had advantage there , Money and technology backbone.

Anyways, Americans really have to be try to competitive with other parts of the world (sorry, being patriotic here... T___T hope you don't mind) and not let countries like Japan, South Korea, Germany, Taiwan take the tech innovation lead, because watching from growth of their technology market share compared to ours, we are miserably disappointing

 

So that was the point of this thread.

 

Exactly!

It's all opinion, and in my opinion, the US develops the best technology in the world. It matters not where the stuff is made, what matters is who designed and deeveloped it. A vast majority comes from the states. Japan develops a lot too, but they've slowly declined over the years:

"The global semiconductor industry is dominated by Japan, USA, South Korea and the EU though Japanese market share has fallen from a peak of almost 40% worldwide in 1990 to 25% by 1995 and 20% by 2000 reports the World Semiconductor Trade Statistics."

There isn't really one country, it's a combination of Europe, USA, South Korea, and Japan.

And since this question IS, in fact, an opinion question, my opinion is simply the the US designs, develops and creates the best electronics in the world, but I can't get all of you to agree with me, so no hard feelings eh guys?

 

i thought this thread was about where stuff was manufactured with regards to general electronics and who produces them.

 

I thought it was just another flaming thread.........Oh, it is.

 

Considering the popularity of hammer and sickle avatar in this forum, somebody forgot to mention the Soviet Union

 

i beg to differ. the company that i work for (high voltage transmission) rarely will by stuff manufactured in china.

eg. ABB have factories in sweden and thailand and have recently opened a new one in china. however laws in china don't ensure as high a standard of production. OHS is not an issue. staff training is generally much lower.......i could go on for ages..........

they make some good military products

 

Boys and Girlz, one word for you, ready? Globalization, OK two Free Market.

Also as an addendum: Slave labor, I am not for it but some who stress it may not realize that lower production costs in some places both allow lower costs for products and create opportunity in those poor regions helping all. If you piously with hold your commerce you may infact be doing more harm to those I think you are implying you care about. I might be wrong maybe you are against these low wage workers taking jobs from fat lazy Americans such as myself, if so disregard previous comment.

 

^^i have to agree. with globalization that is. and your last sentence

 

Jeff ! Let me add and Australians!