Why are MXM prices so nuts?

Hey Guys,

I'm just curious why MXM prices are SO MUCH MORE than desktop equivalents? It seems there is a common spec (MXM 3.0 B) which is available to AIB partners, but several of the laptop OEMs don't use it. Is this just an attempt for OEMs to stifle upgrades or is there some other reason I'm missing?

 

@D2 Ultima @Mr. Fox @bloodhawk @Papusan


I wonder why?

 

Here is a hint - NVIDIA is literally not the one to blame for these prices.

 

If Intel could, they would only offer BGA in everything of computers. Not only laptops. The name is Gred!! Amd, Intel or Nvidia. Same ****y. Same for ODM/OEMs

 

Here is the surprising thing, NVIDIA is not to blame at all for these prices.

 

Well... um... Because guys like us have been dumb enough to pay for it. Yes, I admit it. I am partly responsible for contributing to the stupidity of MXM pricing by buying it anyway. But, the good news is that I probably won't be doing that any more. MXM should be the same or less cost than the same GPU for a desktop because it has no cooler or fans or anything else.

Right... they have no control over what the OEMs charge. This is an OEM problem. AMD MXM GPUs have always been comparative cheap because hardly anyone wants them.

It is a simple case of supply and demand price gouging.

 

Nailed it.

 

Supply and demand basically and its the same for a range of laptop parts not just gpus.

There is very little demand for aftermarket upgrades because there are so many roadblocks to overcome.

Most GPU replacements are done under warranty because the price out of warranty vs the highly depreciated value of the unit by that point is such that it's usually an uneconomical repair, and selling/parting it is easier, often nets a similar return, and offloads the risk of the fix to someone else.

There is no market force making manufacturers want to create compatible products, because laptop hardware is basically a sealed unit aside from storage and ram. Other than those, the few upgrades we can perform are usually a side effect of compatibility in a model to take hardware for the different model variants the manufacturer decides to bring to market. Firmware flexibility outside what is strictly required is a wasted expense as far as they are concerned.

MXM is also being squeezed out by BGA, currently even at the ultra top end with the Asus GX800 and Acer 21x both being SLI 1080 mainboard soldered. Clevo and MSI are the holdouts for now. And this just reduces the demand even further.

Heartening though is the SFF area where compactness has led a mini resurgence; however the companies that have made these units are not your traditional laptop manufacturers and examples of the sff cards (which are just as unobtainable on the open market) working in laptops are very rare. Disheartening is the Gecube cards did not work out either for the RX480 or 1070 in laptops (the RX480 was sold for below $300usd and in bulk to mining rig makers for as little as $200usd - but again they were going into something much closer to a desktop platform)

Compare with PC desktops, you can mix n match standalone parts from almost every brand without issue, the free choice of ancillaries like standardised cables, ports, cases, there's usually 5 years of backwards and forwards compatibility you can rely on (CPUs and sockets are an exception *coughIntelcough*), that's the main tradeoff why high end laptops are viewed as poor value.

 

Inb4 someone releases a BGA soldered on Intel 4-8 core CPU on a mainstream enthusiast desktop motherboard.
Remember you saw it from me first.

 

Laptops could probably be just as modular as desktop PCs, save for the motherboard, and power supplies, which would change based on what chassis/laptop you own. However the Laptop industry has moved toward getting thinner and thinner, even in the gaming space, so modularity has become less of a priority. The only way to get thinner is to create proprietary board designs, as that way you can have much more compact circuits. Because not many laptops use MXM, not many cards are made, and thus, the price for them remains high.

 

performance level will be handled like DLC

 

I doubt its even price gouging. MXM cards probably dont have economy of scale going for it to be anywhere reasonable for the cost. Anything produced in small batches it going have a super high per unit cost. In other words, if MXM cards were selling on the quantities of consumer cards, it would be much cheaper.

 

That is an oxymoron, with a strong emphasis on moron. Actually, a couple of oxymorons as I look closer. If it is mainstream it is not enthusiast and if it is BGA it is not enthusiast. But, I won't have my surprised look on my face if some loser brand tries pulling a stupid stunt like that. Maybe Alienware will start using the same motherboards in their desktops as their turdbooks to maximize profits... one part fits all.

 

Maybe with 3 screws for cpu and 3 screws for Gpu heatsink. One more saved screw Aka fully TRIPOD!!

 

They haven't discovered Velcro yet. Or, maybe they can just solder the heat sinks to the motherboard as well, with a 1.5W/mK 3mm thick thermal pad on the cores.

 

Lmao if bga starts showing in desktops I am moving to freaking console gaming only hahahah


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If they start using BGA in desktops... I will change to new computer every 10th year. They will never ever earn a lot of money on me anymore. Up to them.

 

Well, rumors started back as early as 2013. Fast forward 4 years and the idea is no less disgusting to those that know better. Intel reportedly prepping soldered desktop chips after all | ExtremeTech

The problem is those that know better are becoming a minority. BGA "desktop" trash is already starting to surface. The boundless stupidity of consumers is absolutely dumbfounding.

A little leaven leavens the whole lump. Eventually, the gullible masses become reprobate and unable to discern the difference between good and bad, right and wrong, fact versus fiction, gold versus glitter.

As I have said many times, we will all have whatever filth they are willing to put up with. A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber, and want like an armed man.

This is basically the Peter Principle for computers. Anything that works will be used in progressively more challenging applications until it fails. There is no focus on achieving excellence. The bar is set way too low and "good enough" seems to be all they aspire to.

Don't toss your cookies, gentlemen. Introducing the 7700HQ panty-waist CPU in a "gaming desktop" LOL

Made by wusses for wusses: https://www.gigabyte.com/Mini-PcBarebone/GB-BNi7HG6-1060-rev-10#ov

Spoiler: Warning: Material may not be suitable for all audiences. Parental discretion advised

@Donald@HIDevolution

 

To be fair, had everyone supported a good design it could have fostered better prices down the road through competition or larger runs.
However, I'm not convinced that would necessarily be the case anymore. They've had a taste of what people will pay, they probably won't go back.
It's a sad ending, paying $1200 for a one year old 2nd teir gpu is just ludicrous. And for some unknown reason people are happy to keep throwing mobile PCs in the bin instead of being able to upgrade them.

 

The likelihood of the OEMs and ODMs doing the right thing on pricing is slim to none. As long as the cash is flowing they will continue to gouge our eyes out.

Yeah, it's totally ludicrous. And, the imbeciles that endorse BGA CPUs and GPUs in what is passed off as high performance products have totally lost the ability to think rationally. They make all sorts of excuses for it... as if dipping a turd in chocolate is going to suddenly make it a yummy treat.

 

If this was an actual desktop tower, you'd have a point, but this machine is far from the first ultra small form factor machine with that type of CPU.

 

Still totally inexcusable. Prior examples don't make it OK; they merely reinforce the popularity of stupid. Not sure why anyone would make excuses for this trash. Look no further than Clevo notebooks with desktop CPUs for proof of what they should have done. That should have a 7700K in it, not a BGA turd CPU. We will all have whatever filth they are willing to put up with.

Edit: Even the lackluster little Alienware Alpha had a socketed desktop CPU in it and is upgradeable from the crappy little i3-4130T up to i7-4790K.

 

True but the gpu was BGA could it's cooling system handle a 4790k?

 

LOL. I never actually said it was good. Yes, the GPU was BGA filth. And a proprietary morphodite one at that. But, from what I understand there were some people modding them using an AIO cooler for the CPU. Apart from the GPU that's kind of interesting. If it would have been just a few inches larger and had MXM that would have been kind of a neat toy to play with for really cheap. I was mainly pointing out there is no excuse for that Gigabyte Brix USFF to have a BGA CPU and the Alpha was the first thing that came to mind to illustrate the stupidity of doing so. But, if my Tornado F5/EVOC 16L-G-1080 can handle a 7700K, certainly that much larger USFF desktop could. Gigabyte just wimped out on the people that would consider buying something like that by giving them a half-hearted effort.

 

this is the old GB-BNi7HG4-950





and it had a mxm gpu


now it is totally soldered

 

Yup, we will all have whatever the noobs are willing to put up with (and waste money on). What a shame. Pathetic, even. Double-whammy of filth with the CPU and GPU both being solder. Not a turdbook, but a turdbrick, LOL.

 

Zotac is really impressive with small pcs

zbox magnus (LGA cpu+ MXM gpu)









and next er51060, er51070 with a ryzen cpu
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11507/zotac-unveils-2017-zbox-magnus-gaming-minipcs
http://www.startlr.com/zotac-completes-mini-pcs-zbox-ma551-er51060-and-er51070-with-amd-ryzen/


Zotac VR Go Backpack PC: A Stop-Gap For Tether-Free VR (Hands On)
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/zotac-vr-go-backpack-pc,34934.html


there is a lga cpu+ mxm gpu

 

Magnus EN1080K seems like the best of their options. For the little backpack model, definitely an improvement over a Brix, I doubt it could cool a 1080 and 6700K. Still better than the Brix by quite a lot. At least you can bump it up to a 6700T and replace the GPU if it fails. Looking on the Zotac web site it look like none of them are offering a legit full-powered desktop K-series CPU unless I am just not seeing it.

Nice that this is liquid cooled and uses MXM, but sucks that is uses a 180W AC adapter. Wonder if you can bump it up to 7700K, use a 330W or 780W AC adapter, and if so, if the BIOS is unlocked or crippled like most laptops.

https://www.zotac.com/product/mini_pcs/magnus-en1080k#spec

 

liquid cooling for 6700k+gtx1080

 

I could not find one with a desktop K CPU on their web site. Interesting to look at, but the 180W AC adapter would not be adequate to power one of my laptops with a single 1080 since the GPUs are pulling between 200-250W. In a Cinebench run (no GPU) with the 7700K at 5.2GHz my UPS meter is showing around 225W. It seems like it would be a performance downgrade from the Tornado F5/16L-G-1080 or the P870 with single 1080. The opposite should be true. I would expect to be able to push as much or even more performance from one of these, not less.

Edit: Looks like it uses 2 x 180W AC adapters. Weird that they didn't use one 330W. Seems like extra desk clutter that could have been avoided. Wonder why they did that? Goofy.

 

you are right! I remember they made that with 6700k and gtx1070 or gtx1080. may be 7700k is too hot

 

Probably not, but maybe. It would be interesting to see if that 1080 MXM card could be purchased and see if it would work in laptops. It appears the GPU core might be situated in the same location as a 980M GPU, which might make modding a heat sink easier.

 

many people are buying zotac zboxes for the mxm gpus

this is a zotac gtx1070


I don't know about gtx1080 but it should be this

 

Thin and light is pointless for a gaming laptop. You lose so much potential for cooling, I/O, storage, battery life and of course upgradability. My laptop is well over 5kg, but over time you get used to that weight. I find most thin laptops to be structurally inferior too with more keyboard and palm rest flex. The main reason laptop design has gone this way is a result of all manufacturers trying to cash in on Apple's minimalist "thin and light" bollocks. Funnily enough Apple seem to also be leading the way with BGA soldered ****e. Can't even upgrade the RAM or storage anymore - what a colossal POS.

 

Amen! +5 rep for speaking the truth. While trashbooks are popular within the herd of sheeple, acceptance does nothing to qualify them as good products. When the bar is set low enough, everyone gets a trophy for participation.

 

+rep added. Very good explanation.

 

You're bang on. Apart from enthusiasts, most people do not know or do not care what hardware is going in to their computers as long as it does what they want.

In the old days when computers were much more difficult (and expensive) to operate many people simply did not bother using them at all. Failure rates for certain components (hard drives especially) were significantly higher too, so it was a given you'd have to replace something eventually. I suppose computer repair shops were around to do that too, but the physical act of taking your machine to someone and having them diagnose and repair the issue is a learning exercise. Since computing has become so easy and accessible manufacturers have responded to the lower knowledge level of users by pretty much milking them for their money. Most people now assume that a computer will either break or be too slow after 3 years, so instead of repairing or upgrading they just buy another. The manufacturers of course responded to that by stopping people being able to upgrade components at all, hence the new Apple laptops.

I've also noticed that the knowledge level of PC gamers has decreased over the past few years, possibly due to the lack of choice available for components over the last few years due to the Intel/Nvidia domination of the market. There are really people who believe that simply because a product bears one of these two names it must be good - the 'mind share' effect as some would call it. I don't intend to sound elitist or condescending (would be a little hypocritical as most of my computers have been low/mid range machines) but we need to do more to educate people on computer hardware. If a potential new buyer came to look at these forums before they made a purchase they would learn so much more than reading a few basic reviews online.

 

For the OP:
You can buy cheap(er) MXM cards on Taobao if you manage to navigate the minefield of an interface on that website even with Google Translator its a pain at times.
Majority of sellers only take AliPay but there are a few who take VISA because of high demand of foreigners who buy.

MXM cards are expensive simply put because its 2 times or even 4 times smaller than a desktop card, you have to understand the complexity of a MXM card design to reach such small tiny form factors, its simply not just put A on B and then you get C.
The more compact things get the pricier it usually gets, I mean just look at Failbook Turd 2016 versus MSI GT80, same price but Jesus Lord in heaven the performance is like the Moon versus Jupiter.

As for the rest of you, you guys should check out the Lenovo ThinkPad P70, its got soldered BGA Xeon processor, I kid you not, its a genuine Mobile Xeon soldered onto the motherboard, you cannot make this up! Its madness!!
I put 1060 in my Clevo P150, a 5 year old laptop for 550 dollars well spent in my opinion. But here we got a workstation laptop with soldered Xeon processor at price of 4000 dollars last I checked it, at least they let you swap the MXM GPU though.
Another argument against BGA which I have had the unfortunate event to experience myself is the fact that once the soldered GPU or CPU fails, you have to replace the entire motherboard instead of just one unit. Or worse, what if the motherboard fails? You have to replace the entire motherboard with all the soldered components on it, this is EXTREMELY costly and BGA has tendencies to desolder themselves under intense heat. Specially older computers because soldering back in the day was not as good as it is today.

 

I've noticed the same. It's not hard to miss and it's not even necessary to pay attention because it is so obvious. I don't think it sounds elitist or condescending at all. It's an accurate observation. One doesn't have to be an enthusiast to recognize garbage. You can have a very reliable, repairable, well appointed, high quality computer built with low/mid range components. If the purpose for which it is used doesn't require horsepower, it is smart to not spend extra for the high end stuff. The key words there are reliable, repairable and high quality. We cannot use those words to describe disposable BGA garbage.

That is one of the biggest arguments against it. It is a diabolical approach, engineered from start to finish to create circumstances that allow them to take more of our money while somehow allowing the average Joe to feel good about getting shafted. It has just about reached the point that having the word "gaming" appear before laptop is code word for junk. Crap built for gamers is no longer good enough for enthusiasts, and those terms used to be almost interchangable descriptors for the same niche market.

Equally diabolical. The perception that it is not practical to upgrade laptops has been intentionally crafted, and their dishonorable business practices have produced calculated circumstances to the point that it is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. And, all of this is possible primarily because of consumer stupidity and an absurd tolerance for filth.

 

I wasn't aware of Jupiter's intense processing power, unless NASA are lying to us and every one of it's 67 moons is in fact a planetary sized quantum computer.

I used to have an old HP G60. The thing was a POS: horrid design, build quality etc... You can find endless posts online about blank screen issues. Almost all of these come from the BGA nVidia 8200M failing due to the poor quality solder used. This was a huge issue on a lot of HPs from this era, because the designers were too dumb to give the thing a proper heat sink or thermal paste. Mine only had a dual core Athlon at 2Ghz, but that once reached the blistering temperature of 120 celsius. The non BGA CPU was not the death of it however, but the GPU was despite it *only* running between 80 and 95 degrees at high load. Some people got them working again temporarily with the old oven trick, but without a professional re-soldering job it would never last.

The worst period for laptop reliability imo was around the mid 2000s when everyone was forced to change to lead-free solder (thanks to the EU). Not only is it a pain to work with, but it has a tendency to crack over time and develop 'tin whiskers'. I could rant about this for quite some time, given there is almost no evidence of lead poisoning or contamination from leaded solder - breathing the fumes from flux is far worse for you than leaded solder can possibly be unless you fire a torch at it until it vaporises.

Its just another reason why BGA is such a bad idea, you simply cannot rely on the crappy solder to last. At least you can relatively easily replace and re-solder capacitors, resistors, mosfets et cetera, but resoldering a BGA chip is nigh on impossible without specialist equipment.

 

I think that the high price of the mxm cards is also caused by the absence of a scale economy (may be tesla could help for this with their 500000 model 3 autopilot system ) and by the low number of seller of mxm

@ilovelampshade
I created a thread about mxm cards and mxm gpu reseller and may be that could help
MXM GPU Resellers in the world
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mxm-gpu-resellers-in-the-world.804197/

 

You are right! People don't know the difference between a socketed cpu and a bga cpu or the difference between mxm gpu and soldered gpu

Some user doesn't kno differences between i7 U and i7 HQ.

Edit
I created a pair of threads (about clevos, msis and about mxm gpus) on HWupgrade, Tomshardware and Linustechtips for explain laptop hardware diffences and people said "is it really a laptop with desktop cpu?", "wow gpu upgradable laptop!" "Ooooooohhhh. Upgradeable laptops? Looks nice!"
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/802163-clevo-custom-laptops-and-world-clevo-resellers/

I think a guide like this could be useful

Prema Bios





Benefits of Prema BIOS :

• Restores user ability to overclock or underclock the CPU
• Restores user control over CPU power settings (voltage, watts, amps) for optimal performance and/or thermal efficiency
• Restores ability to control non-turbo CPU core ratio
• Restores ability to control CPU c-states and p-states
• Restores ability to control BCLK (northbridge) and FCLK (System Agent) frequency
• Restores ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology functionality
• Restores ability to disable Intel Software Guard Extensions (SGX) functionality which is intended for software developers who want to use that feature and causes erratic system behavior
• Restores ability to control RSR, Watchdog Timer, ASPM, ACPI sleep and hibernation functionality
• Restores ability to control RAM timings, clock speeds and enables the utilization of XMP profiles
• Restores ability to control selection of Legacy, UEFI and CSM to install whatever operating system is desired
• Restores ability to control CPU-based DEP, AES (encryption) and Virtualization
• Restores ability to control GPU scaling, PCIe speed and power management features
• Restores control over Thunderbolt and USB 3.1 configuration
• Restores control over SATA port configuration and Intel LPM. Having the ability to disable drive ports allows exclusive control over what drive receives the BCD/boot sector, system and recovery partitions during Windows Setup and eliminates the need to physically remove non-OS drives when installing a new OS.





Thermal Compound


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermal-paste-performance-benchmark,3616.html
Here some useful values:

-Phanteks TH-NDC ???W/mk
-Noctua NT-H1 ???W/mk

-IC Diamond 7 4.5W/mk
-Artic mx2 5.6 W/mK
-be quiet DC 1 7.5W/mk
-Artic mx4 8.5W/mK
-Gelid Solutions GC-Extreme 8.5 W/mK
-Dimastech HTX-EE 8.6 W/mK
-Artic silver 5 9W/mK
-Cooler Master Extreme Fusion X1 9.5W/mK
-Prolimatech PK-2 10.2W/mK

-Cooler Master MasterGel Maker Nano 11W/mK
-Prolimatech PK-3 11.2W/mK
-Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 12.5 W/mK
-Phobya NanoGrease Extreme 16W/mk



Liquid Metal

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...t-vs-cool-laboratory-liquid-ultra-pro.791489/


Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra 38.4W/mk)

Phobya Liquid Metal 40W/mk

Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut 73 W/mK

Coollaboratory Liquid Pro 82W/mk





BGA/LGA CPU

BGA (soldered)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_grid_array



Cpu 2-core
Ultrabooks o many multimedia laptops use 2-cores cpus (intel U series).
These are cpus of this type:
i3-6100u
i5-6200u
i7-6500u
i3-7100u
i5-7200u
i7-7500u

They have a TDP of 15W



Cpu 4-cores
Many gaming laptops use BGA 4-cores cpus like:

i5-6300hq

i7-6700hq

i7-6820hq

i7-6820hk.

i5-7300hq

i7-7700hq

i7-7820hq

i7-7820hk.
Thermic power is indicated with the TDP and Intel BGA 4-cores Cpus have a 45W TDP

Here an alienware 17 r4 (photo from a review by iunlock)


LGA (upgradable)

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Grid_Array
Upgradable
There are laptops with a socketed desktop (LGA) CPU and Intel socket is LGA1151




these cpus are compatible with GA1151

4-core/4-thread
i5-7400T (35W TDP)
i5-7500T (35W TDP)
i5-7600T (35W TDP)
i5-7400 (65W TDP)
i5-7500 (65W TDP)
i5-7600 (65W TDP)
i5-7600k (91W TDP)



4-core/8-thread
i7-7700T (35W TDP)
i7-7700 (65W TDP)
i7-7700k (91W TDP)


91W TDP cpus are overclockable but they need to be delidded


some resellers make the delidding but there is also a tool for delidding cpus




Soldered /MXM GPU


Soldered

Many OEMs (Alienware, Dell, Asus, Acer, Lenovo, Gigabyte, Aorus) use soldered gpus for their gaming laptops
Here an alienware 17 r4 (photo from a review by iunlock)







MXM

http://www.notebookreview.com/howto/how-to-upgrade-nvidia-mxm-notebook-graphics-cards/
High performances gaming laptop (Clevo/MSI) or old alienware (m17x r3/m17x r4/m18x r2) and mobile workstation use MXM Gpus

Type A card --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Type B card




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_PCI_Express_Module


https://www.notebookcheck.net/Clevo-MSI-and-Compal-Barebones.99905.0.html

Here some photos Clevo MXM Gpus

Clevo GTX 1060 N17E-G1


Clevo GTX 1070 N17E-G2


Clevo GTX 1080 N17E-G3



here some card in mxm 3.0b size made by MSI, Gecube e Zotac
MSI Gtx1060 N17E-G1-A1


Zotac Gtx1070 N17E-G2-A1




Old Clevos with MXM Gpu
Clevo
-p150hm
-p170hm
-p180hm
-p150em
-p170em
-p370em
-p157sm
-p177sm
-p150sma
-p157sma
-p170sma
-p177sma
-p370sm
-p375sm
-p377sma
-w860cu
-w870cu
-m590k
-m590ke
-p570wm
-p750zm
-p770zm
-p750dm
-p770dm
-p775dm
-p870dm
-m860tu
-m570tu
-m980nu
-d900f
-d900c


Here a P170em upgraded with a msi gtx1060








Successful MXM GPU Upgraded Laptops
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-3429666/successful-mxm-gpu-upgraded-laptops.html



MXM gpus and MXM gpu resellers
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mxm-gpu-resellers-in-the-world.804197/

 

I'm trying to say: people don't know but they can learn
So gods of NBR share your knowledge about notebook hardware with users of other forums making some guides or some videos. There are a lot of people here on NBR from many countries, and there are tech/notebook forums in every country.
Make a thread for teaching about notebook hardware on a forum of your country and try to change things
I have the example of an italian forum (hwupgrade) where people didn't know lga notebooks or mxm laptops and they considered only bga laptops (rog/alienware/predator). Now 7000 users read my guide and many know about that, so they can buy with enough knowledge about hardware possibilities and there are users are buying lga laptops. this could be not enough but we need to start

 

the zotac 1080 mxm is longer than the mxm b spec to accommodate an additional mounting point for the heatsink other than that it could fit some mxm-b implementations assuming you could make space

 

The first Ryzen laptop has come out, 8 cores in a laptop my dream from 2012 is here.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3199...laptop-with-a-mobile-radeon-surprise-too.html

But the big question is even though I am a mad AMD fanboy, does it have BGA or socket? Also note how the 580 is 65W TDP and not 100W, a sign it might be soldered.
Has anyone heard of Ryzen MSI or Clevo laptops?

 

I've heard there is going to be a castrated version of Ryzen 5 (castrated as in not unlocked, panty-waist TDP and soldered filth) in mobile form. If it is soldered (probably) just skip it. Vote no to feces with your wallet, curb your dreams and look at the big picture for now because soldered CPUs are always going to be an inferior trash implementation. We already have enough pathetic BGA gonorrhea without having AMD throwing their hat into the turdbook ring. That would only make matters worse than they already are if AMD clowns up and does the monkey see, monkey do nonsense.

 

I stopped when I heard "most powerful laptop in the world" LOL.

 

Maybe some of you would like to answer this poll and post over here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/how-do-you-want-your-next-laptop-to-be-built.808062/

 

That is what they want consumers to believe but GeCube sold the Rx480 MXM for $200 prior to Etherium Mining ruining availability + prices industry wide and today GeCube sells the RX560 MXM $200 today both were pretty much the same cost as the desktop equivalents and mind you the desktop versions get hefty heat sinks included in the price

Luckily etherium ASIC miners are finally taking preorders https://www.coindesk.com/bitmain-confirms-release-first-ever-ethereum-asic-miners/ and ASICs will destroy the Energy/speed efficiency equation of Open CL Etherium Mining