Why don't laptop manufacturers move away from built in dGPU's to external dGPU's

Why did you have to get a gaming laptop? You can build a decent mid-tier desktop for ~$600 (see my sig) (though I already have a monitor and OS).

 

Again, it states the point that manufacturers would never need to sell you another laptop, that doesn't make financial sense for them. They want you to continue to buy a new laptop. Manufacturers are in the business of making money, not selling you a computer. If it means not including something that would render the laptop not obsolete for a few years, they will look at it from a money perspective.

 

yeah i'm aware of this, but everyone seems to be saying it wouldn't be good from the user point of view, which i can't seem to get my head around.

the guy who said just make a desktop for 600... why would this be better or cheaper for me than an egpu?

 

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that there are other producers of computer hardware out there then the laptop manufacturers and for them it would make perfect sense to build this??

Regarding the desktop that people keep insisting on.... even if it wasn't more expensive it still takes up a load of space....space that if you live in an apartment you don't really have available.

 

I'm not saying there isn't a place for e-GPU, but it's really niche IMO.

If you feel so strongly about this topic, go write them a letter, form a petition, don't whine about it on NBR.

 

I don't think anyone said that it'd be a bad thing for the user. Would be a little bulkier when you carry around the eGPU stuff, sure.

Anyway, I do have a name . And something like a cheap DIY gaming desktop would be better from a price-per-performance perspective (not just the GPU); you can buy yourself a cheap, low-power laptop/netbook for your work-related stuff (unless you're an engineer or something, in which case you should have a workstation), and you can spend the majority of your computer budget on a fairly decent DIY setup. Not to mention that once the CPU/etc. finally become out-of-date, it's cheaper to replace a desktop motherboard/CPU/etc. than it would be to buy a new laptop within the equivalent time span (say, 5 years?). Plus, you can reuse a fair bit of a desktop's parts (why throw out a perfectly-good display, for example?). Really, the only bad thing about a DIY gaming desktop would be the "I can't game on the go" part, though whether or not that's important is up to the individual (I say nay for my own personal usage). But given some price for replacement eGPUs, laptops, and the price for desktop part replacements, you'll likely reach a break-even point somewhere in a few years or so, after which it might be cheaper to go DIY. Just my two cents though.

Pretty much this. Complain to the OEMs and see if you can get enough people to agree with you to make it profitable for them to do such a thing. I doubt any of the OEM representatives on NBR are even reading this thread.

 

I was about to close the thread a few days ago when someone bashed me for wanting to do so...
Now you are bashing me for keeping it open.
Make up your mind people )))

The reason this thread is alive is not so that I can complain...but to see if I am the only one thinking like this ore there are also other likeminded people...also because I love a good debate

 

You know, they generally don't close threads unless it's nothing but spam or getting stupidly-heated (political, religious, or the like).

 

I'm just saying from everybody's sanity; I highly doubt OEMs or even boutique manufacturers even look on NBR. Thus getting your opinion out directly to them seems more productive than everyone who has different opinions flaming everyone else out on this thread.

It's clear most people on this forum would rather buy a gaming laptop and have an ultraportable as a light notebook. If you go check out the Sager/Clevo/Alienware threads, it easily outstrips the e-GPU section. Even from a money perspective, I bought my P170HM with 2670QM, 12 GB RAM, 6990M for ~700, and I can get a used ultraportable laptop for 100-300, pending on the specs I want. I'd rather have a separate laptop because I hate 15" laptops as a primary laptop (screen isn't big enough), 17" laptops are really too bulky to lug around, 11-13" are the best for portability. Most 11-13" laptops have gimped/ULV CPUs, and would eventually bottleneck an e-GPU system. So from my perspective, e-GPU only makes sense for really students who can only have 1 notebook, and IMO you are already handcuffing yourself. I would rather have a laptop that is the best in its class, 17" hardcore gaming laptop, and a 11-13" ultraportable that has a tablet function/gets 6-10 hours battery life (X200t, X61t, X220t).

 

When you think about it people only need to buy one car in their life too, but that's far from the case. So no to all of the above.

Who wouldn't? Its not as if anyone is defending having a fatter, heavier laptop. That's just the way things are.

If Apple could build in everything in my Dell Precision in a MPB, I certainly would have purchased one. Instead, I only had two choices in the category of maximum power and size: HP or Dell.

 

It's not actually a good analogy...people buy more then one car because usually there will be someone else driving the second one....the same way i have a laptop and my girlfriend has another one.

A good analogy is that you buy a sedan(portable laptop) and instead of buying a big SUV (gaming desktop)just for the times you want to go on vacation and have all that lugage that won't fit in your trunk(game) you just add a roof trunk(external eGPU) and voila...you're good to go.

I'm sure no one will recommend that you buy an SUV when you can just buy a roof trunk.

 

I am in the one device do all camp, cough. I use my machine as my work machine, gaming, htpc, music player etc, so i had gotten a external keyboard, a usb dac, some nice monitor and speaker etc.

The suggestion of getting a gaming desktop/laptop aside from a portable laptop to me, is like saying I should get a typewriter, a console, a bd player + a mp3 player just because those are "meant" to do w. e they are meant to and do it best (Actually not, though)
Look at egpu as a keyboard, a usb dac, an accessory.


Then we have the reality, all those thing that had mentioned repeatedly in this thread.

 

Bad analogy....that roof addition is a worse analogy it stays on the car and doesn't fall off or can be stolen. Comparing car to suv is comparing apples to oranges....the two car and two laptop is the what users now-days do there is no analogy in there.

Worse analogy you desktop will do all what your saying without buying more hardware when it was to replace all those your talking about. EGPU isn't the same as keyboard or other accessory. Grabbing for straws again.....external keyboard they why even have a laptop then...makes no sense here you get a laptop and you get a external keyboard and mouse that works in office on the go settings but everyday usage the keyboard and touch-pad and sometimes remote mouse are the most practical value for the laptop.

 

for gaming, same reason i'd want an external mouse and and external gpu.

im genuinely starting to feel like people are just trolling this thread. we have an opinion on what we want, know it would work best for us, yet you guys seem hellbent on telling us we're wrong, and giving us bogus reasons or alternatives which aren't as good as buying and popping in an external gpu to our thin and light laptop.

 

Actually, their reason aren't "bogus" at all. In fact, many of them make good sense. Their adding clarity to a poorly thought out conclusion. You want manufacturer to build a product without an incentive and that would have little to no profit. In so many words, they're telling you that.

 

Haha, right, all the bt keyboard manufacturer are going out of business, why have a tablet when you need a keyboard.

 

Those built-in guarantee obsolescence. Or hasn't anyone been paying attention? For all the praise you extol to thin and light, you're completely blinded by the realization that those sealed, and soldered in configurations only have a very limited shelf life.

After that, you're forced to upgrade if you want to stay current. Your adaptation of an external dGPU is the last thing they would want.

 

Who is they...the laptop manufacturers? I thought we already covered that....sigh...it's not only laptop manufacturers that could build this thing.
Why would other companies care about laptop manufacturers?
Someone was talking about a lack of a standard connection.....THUNDERBOLT anyone?

Really...soldered is obsolete? If I buy a laptop with an i7 4702 and 8 gigs of ram I bet you it will be enough for atleast two following generations of GPU. The video card is the real limiting factor in any gaming setup.

 

I doubt Thunderbolt will take off well enough to allow for this idea to be universal. Its been a few years so far and still nobody's taking TB seriously. Then there's the problem of TB having royalty costs, which hurts the bottom line, which is what OEMs really care about. I can't remember if ExpressCard has royalties, though if it doesn't l, that would be a better idea imo (especially since DIY eGPUs already do this).

 

I would say TB will really take off when Intel makes it part of the chipset which they said they would do for Ivy, but didn't and didn't for Haswell either (not sure if the planned it for Haswell though). TB is still starved for bandwidth as far as gaming worthy video cards are concerned too and by gaming worthy, I mean something along the lines of a GTX760 or better.

 

In reality, sometimes you really do need more than one laptop. The gamer needs his high end gaming laptop handy when he wants to game, but he might be a student who needs to be mobile or a user who wants to travel and do more basic computing needs. And then size and weight becomes a burden. And it's not just gamers with heavy machines who need a lighter, more portable option. Sometimes, I need my work Toughbook as part of my broadcast engineer/operator job. Which can involve being lugged around and used in tough conditions and outdoor remotes. But I like having a more normal 14" lighter and thinner machine for less demanding conditions and for travelling when I must lug less weight around. Just to quote a non gaming example of this.

 

There are plenty of non gaming examples which is why Dell maintains their Precision line as well as the equivalent from HP, Lenovo and others. I use my machine in media creation.

Everything from graphic design to 3D animation (well, I'm still learning the 3D), which can put huge demand on a computer. Gaming, is just one clear heavy duty use for a portable machine but its not by any means the only one.

 

Muhahaha ...looks like the GODS OF GRAPHICS POWAH' listened to my prayers ).

Here's to all you nay-sayers out there who didn't believe this was viable:
http://www.msi.com/news/1834.html

 

^^^That concept is not particularly new. I had an older Thinkpad T500 that I could put on a dock that contained an HD6570 desktop graphics card. I do think the MSI iteration should be interesting as it is more recent tech. You planning on buying one -Jinx-?

 

Yes, Krane you are correct. The video editor, the CAD and 3D modelling user also must have his big, heavy workstation. However, he too sometimes needs his thin, smaller more mobile laptop for general use too.

 

That's been announced for months: http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/760966-msi-gs30-revealed.html

And Alienware 13" also has something similar: http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware/764108-alienware-dock.html

Problem is AW 13 has ULV CPU.

 

external dGPU means nobody will ever buy a new laptop anymore. People will buy GPU itself for 25% of laptop which still has less GPU power.
That would practically kill laptop's manufacturer companies.

 

The mass market buyers usually make their decision based on "I want something newer and more shiny!" rather than a legit need for more performance.

 

Not sure about that and manufacturers agree with me.

 

this in a 15.6 would be an instabuy for me.

 

Let's say that I've been away from the scene for some time

And the idea was that I predicted this will be the future of gaming a whole year in advance....damn I'm a visionary

 

The concept isn't new for workstations....it is completely new for gaming tho..

And yes I'll probably buy one if it will be availble in my country