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    Why laptops won’t come with larger SSDs this year

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Papusan, Mar 14, 2017.

  1. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    As the title "Why laptops won’t come with larger SSDs this year" Computerworld.com

    "SSDs are increasingly the preferred mass storage device by consumers buying laptops because they enable faster read/write speeds than hard disk drives (HDDs), so computer makers will keep up their SSD purchases despite tight supply for NAND flash and SSDs, Chen said. SSDs have five times or more the read/write performance of HDDs."

    Tight NAND Flash Supply to Cause Prices of Mainstream SSDs to Jump by More Than 10% Sequentially in First Quarter, Says TrendForce
    Read more at http://press.trendforce.com/press/2.../press/20170313-2776.html#04q0A82AUxyiezmZ.99
     
  2. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    They're hoarding the NAND to drive the price up... No supply shortage, just more exploitation of our wallets!
     
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  3. Papusan

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    Yeah, monkey business :D
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  4. Tinderbox (UK)

    Tinderbox (UK) BAKED BEAN KING

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    I would like to see an 256GB SSD built in an 2.5" 1TB HDD that shows as two separate drives, the SSD for speed for the OS and the HDD for storage.

    John.
     
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  5. Papusan

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    Everything is about the money.
    Micron quarterly revenue up 58 percent YoY

    "Micron has managed to increase its profit margins in this sector as well due to the growing demand for denser 3D NAND storage solutions."

    "The positive bottom line has already resulted in a 10 percent rise in shares of Micron. The company is predicting even higher revenue numbers for this upcoming third quarter in the 5.2 to 5.6 billion USD range."
     
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  6. HTWingNut

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    Western Digital already did that a few years back with their Black 2 Drive: http://support.wdc.com/product.aspx?ID=2301

    It didn't do so well. It's too late for that game though. 1TB SSD's will drop in price soon enough, and most laptops that have room for a 2.5" drive also support at least one m.2 drive.
     
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    Here you go:

     
  8. tilleroftheearth

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    HTWingNut, did I miss the comparison in the video/link of where the Intel 750 was compared in their 'workloads'?

    Also, does this 'solution' not need any configuration? Just drop it in and it 'knows' what to do?

    Fwiw, the 'accelerated' performance seemed very slow to me - vs. an actual SSD... even though it seemed like miles better than the 5400 RPM 'blue'. ;)
     
  9. Ashtrix

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    In all this mess I just hope MLC is not being phased out slowly like the way SLC did in favor of the TLC junk.
     
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    I just installed a 2tb firecuda in my dell inspiron with 16gb ram. There is a very noticeable increase in performance from the 4 gb and 500gb wd blue drive. The firecuda only cost me 119 Canadian, and it's about 85% as fast as a full blown SSD. Which I have used in the past. A great compromise for speed vs. storage needs. I am more than pleased.
     
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    No doubt; the latest components will always be better (overall).

    But a Seagate SSHD? I hope you're storing all your data elsewhere...

     
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  12. kojack

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    Meh....works fine...I have NEVER had an issue with any Seagate drive.....
     
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  13. Papusan

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    Yeah, exactly :D And you never know when it hits you in the face. @tilleroftheearth :rolleyes:
     
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    Well since building my own computers since 95, I have yet to have one Seagate drive fail on me. They are the only drive I use. I have had to fix others who used Toshiba, WD, etc.....SOOOOO ANY drive can bite you in the face. I had much better success rate with Seagate than others. I am good!
     
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    Yet.

    Seagate drives are just not dependable (Hitachi HGST is my long time gold standard) nor responsive in my experience.

    The worst examples are the SSHD drives. They 'should' work when/if the ssd cache side goes kaput... but I haven't seen one yet that's survived like that.

    Again; my emphasis is not just on the fact that it is Seagate (although to me; that spells DANGER) - it is the fact that it is an SSHD that would have me especially worried.

    In the end; no matter the drive used; backup, backup, backup (different drive, different location, different system). If you depend on your data. ;)


     
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    YET that's 20 years waiting for YET!
     
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    Which will make it all the more devastating if you lose even one drive's data in the proverbial 'tomorrow'.

    I noticed you didn't mention any backup plan. Hope you'll add/change that aspect at least - if you haven't been doing it for a couple of decades already. :)

    My clients that took 'tech' for granted were the ones that lost the most.

    Now, while they may not ever lose any data ever again, they still won't get back what was lost, stolen, burned or dropped into the ocean/lake/cement/steel or other creative ways to part with their data (permanently). And some of them still repeat in a dazed state (years later...) that 'that kind of stuff always happens to someone else, not me'.

    Try to not be one of them. :)

     
  18. kojack

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    Again....could happen with ANY drive....as well as SSDs. Just because they don't have mechanical drives, they still fail too. Anyways...ENJOY what you enjoy. MINE works fine. And they have for 20 plus years!
     
  19. tilleroftheearth

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    I said that already and you missed my point. Oh well... :)

    I don't enjoy drives... I eat them for lunch and spit them out by dinner. ;)

    They're just tools, after all.

     
  20. kojack

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    Wow, aren't you just special! ;)
     
  21. Papusan

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    No. @tilleroftheearth is the ssd/hdd doctor!! And probably one of the best!! @Phoenix TALK With Your STEELSERIES KEYBOARD :rolleyes:
     
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    Nah; just haven't been blinded by the 'sheen' from new tech for many, many decades now...

    Either I use the tools... or, they use me. (Time is so much more important to me now...). ;)

     
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    Please be my GP:D
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    I am in the same category as Tiller. Some people have more storage needs than other people. Accept it or don't. No need to be snarky.

    For me, Seagate is an INSTANT no-purchase. I have had such catastrophic failures with so many Seagate drives from myself and clients that I wouldn't accept one if they paid me to take it. Many years ago I moved to HGST or WD for platter drives and I've only seen one fail... a client's cat jumped up on his desk and knocked his slimline PC off his desk. I'm pretty sure it shattered the platters. On top of that, for the past 4 years I've only actively used Samsung/Intel SSDs and a Thunderbolt 2 storage array with WD Black drives. As soon as I can get 12TB of reasonably priced SSD storage for an array, the platter drives are gone forever.

    But you are correct on one thing. Any drive CAN bite you in the face. Apparently Seagate drives hate my face.
     
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    I just whisper sweet nothings to mine to keep it happy. Face still intact to date. :D
     
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    I was just retruning the snark. that's all. Like I said, I have had countless Seagate drives and NONE failed on me. Anyways....enjoy what you use.......I know I do. and my devices are fast, and reliable.
     
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    I had to move back to my Western Digital HD in my dell because the fast ring insider program screwed up my OS. I can tell you that the firecuda is MUCH MUCH faster than this hdd. I am waiting to get the cable back to re mirror this HD back on the SSHD again. It was software related, NOT hardware related. P.S. Do not join the insider program on your main computer. I thought it would be much better than what it was. Cannot wait to get the SSHD back in and speed up my machine again!!!
     
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    Got my firecuda recovered and running again..thank god. the WD blue is SSSSLLLLOOOOOWWWWW!
     
  31. Papusan

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    A review of Adata SX8000 NVMe-Tom's hardware.com But read from the final analysis. @tilleroftheearth @Phoenix ++++

    "There are rumors that Toshiba is actively courting Apple to buy into the profitable NAND division, so we should be worried about the future. If Apple takes all of the Toshiba's NAND, like it already does with BiCS, that leaves us without access to a viable alternative to Samsung for high-performance MLC. There isn't anything wrong with Samsung SSDs, but the company isn't known for keeping prices low just to benefit consumers. We need companies like Adata to balance the market, but we've lost that balance over the last eighteen months (when IMFT pushed 3D)."
     
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    I read that review almost as soon as it was published online...

    Still haven't met an NVMe SSD that is worth wasting real $$$$$ on... (over a platform that is powered by a decent or better 2.5" SSD).

     
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    But they are small. Aka the ODM could make their notebook models both smaller, thinner and with other use of the internal space!!
     
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