Zen2 actually insane?!

This is not confirmed, possible leak, but if the clockspeeds are true, then all praise AMD. This is not going well for intel.

12 cores, 24 threads @ 5ghz for 330bucks? sign me up!

 

I think those numbers are a bit optimistic. I would expect 4.5GHz tops, but hopefully they finally make a CPU that overclocks like their old ones did.

 

I find those numbers quite conservative actually.

 

Ryzen 3000, Radeon 3000 Series LEAKS - It's Game On!
AdoredTV
Published on Dec 4, 2018
Buckle up.


AMD Ryzen 3000 Specs & Prices Leaked, Upto 16 Cores & 5.1GHz on AM4
By Khalid Moammer
2 hours ago
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3000-specs-prices-leaked-upto-16-cores-5-1ghz-on-am4/

"AMD is allegedly preparing 10 new unbelievable Ryzen 3000 series CPUs, including a 16 core with a mind-boggling 5.1GHz clock speed. More than a month away from CES and just when we least expect it a nuclear bomb of a leak drops on us courtesy of venerable youtuber AdoredTV who has shared a treasure trove of details regarding AMD’s upcoming Zen 2 based Ryzen 3000 series CPUs.

Before we get into the juicy bits, of which there’s a ton! I must point out that none of the specifications or prices are confirmed by any stretch, so take this with a grain of salt as with any leak or rumor. Without any further ado, let’s get into it!.."



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Or AMD do exactly as before for the Ryzen chips... No OC headroom left.

 

I expect there to be little to no OC headroom. This is becoming the norm.

 

To be fair, who would need more than 5ghz on 12/16 cores anyway?

 

IIRC, the max OC for a Zen 1 chips is 5.5ghz, no way even with the amount of improvements over 14nm that 7nm brings will it be 5.1ghz boost, 4.6ghz sounds more reasonable

 

14/12nm nodes from GLOFO were designed for low clocks and mobile parts.
7nm TSMC node is designed for high clocks and efficiency. AMD confirmed before they will be using that high perf. process node from TSMC, so yes, its possible... actually, those leaked numbers seems a tad conservative, but seem to be in line with 20% increase in same TDP range... I suspect that early 7nn might be why we're seeing only 20% uptick in frequencies... and not 35% as we were supposed to get (its possible as the node matures, frequencies will increase... quite possibly they are keeping that for 7nm+)

 

Agreed, but we do tend to be a greedy bunch.

 

Even if 20% uptick in frequency turns out to be best case scenario (though I hope AMD can eek out more), there are still IPC increases to take into account, improvements to IF and a revamp of the entire uArch.
We've seen that frequency increases can also have negative impacts on performance sometimes.... really depends on circumstances, but seems to be occurring when a CPU is clocked to its' proverbial 'wall' (more of a node limitation - even Intel CPU's exhibit this).

Bottom line is, industry devs also need to start developing optimisations for Zen uArch in general (not just multi-core) to take advantage of it in full... remember that a lot of industry devs still make code for Intel uArch for the most part which doesn't always paint AMD in the best light.

 

Finally a worthy upgrade, so worth the wait. Looking at the 3300X or 3600, I don't think my low profile ITX cooler can handle a 95W CPU without annoying me.

 

I wonder if someone will make a vapor chamber CPU cooler fitting an AMD package? And would that help? The one is my sig is rated up to 160W, although I haven't tried pushing it outside some initial test benches.

 

Yeah I don't care what the rumors are until these things launch.

Tired of the rumors creating performance expectation leagues above the moon and then everyone being pissed when reality doesn't reflect rumors

 

Said this so many times over the years, they still insist on wagging their tales with every rumor. Maybe it lessens the blow of disappointment for them.

 

South Korean Ryzen 3600X and 3700X contest is pulled after AMD is notified of its existence
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...99-xeon-vs-epyc.805695/page-265#post-10832241
"The Ryzen rumours are fake, pretty certain at this point. I've got info off the record so I can't released [sic] it, but yeah people are going to be upset when they really shouldn't be... don't assume Ryzen will be anything like Rome."

 

Ive seen too many WCCFTech sourced rumors never reflect reality.

Especially when some of my old colleagues deliberate made up false screen shots in the past and they were taken as a source for WCCFTech to preach about new AMD tech.

 

Exactly. It's a game some Intel fanboy's play every time it gets near to an AMD release.

Those rumors designed to overshoot reality cause disappointment for the AMD guys. It's Intel's own evil shenanigans reflected back by their fans. Monkey see, Monkey do.

Karma's payback is already here for Intel, perhaps some of that karma will roost on the heads of the jerks that pull the fake AMD rumors too... we can only hope.

 

For the instance that I was familiar with, it was more of a parody about how the rumors are so ridiculous but are peddled anyways so they made something and posted it to OCN as a joke and then a day later it was the source of a new rumor on WCCFTech.

After that I stopped paying attention to media at large until reviews drop, and then await actual information from forums like this.

 

Here's a vapor chamber laptop from Samsung:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...oling-to-a-17-9-mm-thick-design.294818.0.html

 

Clevo makes a laptop with a vapor chamber too in one of their P870** based series. However, those are both for intel based laptop CPUs. I took Nemix77's post to mean he was talking about a VC based cooler for an AMD based desktop package of these new Zen2 based CPUs.

 

@ajc9988 @hmscott specs confirmed?

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-3800x-matisse-listed-with-16-cores-and-125w-tdp

good bye intel

 

Well, it's another data point, nothing official yet...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ga-polaris-gpus.799348/page-534#post-10840934

 

ces is coming in ~7 days all will be confirmed when AMD took a dump onto intel i9

 

whatever ryzen 3000 will turn out to be, itll surely be no slouch! exciting times ahead

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So, the specs look pulled from AdoredTV directly. That could confirm the specs, or just could be a retailer putting in place holders. Outside of the US, either way, AMD has grown in consumer sales.

But, with one week, it's time to ignore all leaks on products to be released at CES because good information will be present then.

Same goes for Nvidia and the 2060/1160 and mobile cards, or rumored Vega 7 or Navi cards. With Nvidia, because they couldn't get a key note at CES, they are leaking like a sieve and presenting in Vegas 3 days before the start of CES. It's like a pathetic child which says, "I didn't want to go to prom! So I'm throwing my own party right before, and all of you should come." Never mind the cost of a couple extra days in a hotel in Vegas, booked last minute to attend. All Nvidia wants is to try to beat AMD to the punch to take the wind out of AMD's sails, much like Intel did with the 28-core 5GHz Demo.

Point is, now is the waiting game. See in passing, but don't believe anything until announced officially. That will also combat hype.

Now I'm hopeful it's correct, and will laugh at those who bought the 9900K if correct (no offense). But we are in crunch time. So it is time to wait and see.

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yep, was waiting for 9900k binned chip but then theres too many things coming up. spending upwards 1k for a binned chip and can't take full advantage of the OC because of weak heatsink just turns me off.

clevo might make a new machine, 9900kf without iGP might be cheaper, or the 10 cores comet lake, then theres biggest one coming up zen2 for 32 cores quad channel.

now is a poor time to buy it.

 

oi! dont laugh at me though! i only got a 9900k to breathe new life into my trusty old DM good time to upgrade for me, since my 4 year warranty is almost at an end (end of this month). so now is a good time for shenanigans

 

Because it is a laptop and not buying a MB to support the chip, and not planning to go to a desktop or spend triple the cost to get the AMD variant of the Helios 500 successor laptop, it makes a bit more financial sense in your situation, although if willing to build a mid-range desktop for around $1K and just let the DM age (like I am with my ZM), then I'll give you crap. If doing it for "new shiny" from Intel, then you deserve it a bit.

I do allow for rational thought, just not the fanboy logic.

Agreed. Now AMD won't make headway in high end laptops until next year, consisting the Zen+ designs coming. I won't say wait for AMD to get something out if you must have something right now (those Walmart laptops are pretty nice, tbh). But anyone in the market should wait to see AMD on mainstream and Epyc 2 on server, as well as TR3 for HEDT if possible. If those speeds hold true, then the 32 core should run at the speeds of the 16-core mainstream chips, which would be insane value at $1K (even $1200). And with the I/O redesign, I do think some of the problems of the 2990WX will go away, meaning we could see AMD beat the 7980/9980XE, considering the speed and IPC increase. But that is computex talk, and CES is in 1 week.

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desktop is not an option for me, unfortunately, just way too much traveling and moving involved atm, so maybe in a couple of years thatll change. also not the type to change systems every year or so, i prefer to tinker and get the max out of a system, make it "my very own baby" before moving on to a new system

 

It's close. I'm sure everyone's budget / opinion will be different, but to me it needs to drop about $250 or so (current pricing $999 today at my local Walmart) to be considered due to BGA tech and all.

 

The 15.6” version was $799, so close enough.

 

Those were out of stock. The "17+" $999 offering is what my store is carrying. Although you're correct, I feel $800 for BGA is getting close to the correct price levels.

 

I'm relying on the pricing where the 15" was $800 and the 17" with 32GB of RAM, 128GB ssd, and 2TB HDD was $1K. I would have grabbed that 17" if in the market. Also, D2 gave high marks to the QC on the cooling when he reviewed the 15" model of TF.

Edit: for the extra memory and HDD space, and 2" on the display, $1K on the 17" is reasonable, as the 15" has half the memory, half the hard drive space, etc.

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you bet that 16 cores is coming to laptop. i wouldnt even be surprise if clevo will be the first to switch. finally back to TDP including turbo. intel cpu in laptop always giving headache because them upping cores and lowering relative TDP values hurts overclocking, we were lucky the 7700k to 8700k gone up by 4w TDP and clevo actually gave us a bit more copper ~20% on that small heatsink.

with a 16 core at 125tdp they'll need to really go out and make a big one, fk intel and their under 100w stock tdp.