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    feel like a noob endurance of SSD VS HD

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by DRFP, Apr 28, 2016.

  1. DRFP

    DRFP Notebook Evangelist

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    So I have been reading about endurance of SSD vs HD and honestly I do not know what to think.

    The Tech is moving so fast and reviews are so old sometimes I'm a little lost on the endurance.

    Many reviews I read state that SSDs do not last long and that you are in danger of losing all your data on failure............BAD!

    HDs, even SSHDs do not fail this way, they will still let you get your data off when they start to fail.

    HDs are thought to last longer

    So what is the thoughts here?
     
  2. Kana Chan

    Kana Chan Notebook Evangelist

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    Make sure the SSDs are being used otherwise they will lose data because they lose charge over time unplugged. HDDs are retain data even unplugged for years.
     
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    I have had a couple of catastrophic failures in HDDs over the years that did not allow me to recover my data. That sucked. Always backup things you need. Don't worry about programs, just the data.

    The SSD won't lose data for being unplugged. I have 120GB SSD that has been sitting for a year. Plugged it back into a netbook and it just took off like it had never been away from it.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925...nt-lose-data-if-left-unplugged-after-all.html
     
  4. tilleroftheearth

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    Do backups. Do them regularly. Do them often. To multiple drives. Keep at least one offsite at all times.

    Now; it doesn't matter what storage subsystem you use.

    (And btw; they all die. In my experience; SSHD will die first, HDD have lasted a dozen years (they're still first) and SSD work until they don't).

    If your data is important, the type of storage subsystem you have isn't what will save you; the backup plan you have in place will. ;)
     
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    I thought that the "SSDs are short-lived" myth was debunked already. But anyway, aside from ensuring you power them up every so often (as kana mentions), the only real killer of SSDs I've seen is bad firmware. When new firmware is released, wait a bit to see if anyone complains about it, and avoid SSD makers which have terrible reliability records (OCZ, et. al.). Keep in mind that without moving parts (hence the "solid state" in SSD), there's very little to go wrong mechanically with a SSD; compare to a HDD where the head could crash into the platters, or the motor will break, etc. (though even these aren't common in practice when used with care).

    That said, my personal experience with two SSDs (Intel 320 and Intel 335 drives) is that they both are still running strong. Bought the 320 around mid-2011 and the 335 about a year or two later. You're going to go through a computer replacement or two before you really start to see *anything* amiss with a SSD.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead.786421/ (realize that you probably only write maybe a max of a few hundred MB per day with heavy Average Joe use)

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    Regardless of the reliability of any given storage device, you should *ALWAYS* make backups, both local backups (external drive in your house) AND remote backups (online backup solution, or perhaps a backup drive at a family member's place far away, etc.). And have multiple backups as well.
     
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  6. KING19

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    A SSD will last longer than a HDD as SSDs doesnt have any moving parts but it depends how much you use it, Its still rare that a HDD will fail overtime even rarer for a SSD but still you should always back up your data whenever possible. You should either have a big enough USB flash drive and/or a External HDD or even use a cloud service incase the worst happens. Remember any computer component can fail at any time
     
  7. HTWingNut

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    Yes some SSD's have been known to lose data if it hasn't been plugged in and powered on for a year or so but it's rare and not the biggest concern. Read/Write durability for the most part isn't a concern either unless you hammer it with dozens of GB's daily, but then you'd best not opt for a consumer class product. Bottom line, and has already been stated, have a solid backup plan because whatever medium you use, is prone to failure one way or another.
     
  8. kosti

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    Never trust a hard drive or SSD.

    A hard drive will sometimes give you hints before failing but an SSD will just stop working. I had an OCZ Onyx that was installed in a netbook. It was a 30GB so it did not see much use beyond the OS and a couple of apps. It lasted about 2 years before it just stopped working. Meanwhile I still have some SCSI drives from the 90s that have probably seen hundreds of hours of work as file server drives that still work today. Best bet is to get the best SSD you can afford and stick with reliable brands like Intel / Kingston Hyper-x, et al. The term "you get what you pay for" definitely applies to the SSD market. Avoid the cheaper drives if you can. But whatever you get, backup your data.
     
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  9. DRFP

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    Whats funny about endurance is nothing is forever. Even DVDs degrade over time. All data has a lifespan unless transferred and backed up from time to time like some internet servers do. I was all ready to jump ship from my sshd in my x360 to SSD but now I think I may just keep my SSHD for now, All I do is write papers and surf and edit family pictures. With the SSHD the OS boots fast
     
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    Also being cautious with firmware releases, avoid TLC junk in any means necessary, the TLC V-Nand of Samsung 40nm on EVO drives different from traditional TLC but still I won't take that, MLC or go home for me.

    I guess these are the best top class reliability we always have the Enterprise solutions need more power to feed these drives, Say hi to Intel DC S series 1PB to 25PB of write endurance.
     
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  11. Raidriar

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    Rule #1: Backup
    Rule #2: pick a reliable manufacturer, like Intel or Crucial/Micron. OCZ has a piss poor track record
     
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    Note that OZC was bought out by Toshiba sometime ago and they retained the old design groups as well as the IP. So it might be a good idea to take Toshiba SSDs with a grain of salt as well.
     
  13. DRFP

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    Thanks everyone for the education, The info on the web is not updated as it should be
     
  14. DRFP

    DRFP Notebook Evangelist

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    How about SanDisk?
     
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    another good brand to chose from. They've been doing nand flash forever, it's their thing.
     
  16. kosti

    kosti Notebook Virtuoso

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    Don't forget G.Skill too. My 120GB Phoenix Pro from 2010 is still going strong to this day after constant use.
     
  17. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Sandisk for the win... Their SSDs are the best... Work out of the box and never need to tweak them etc... I have had the Extreme II and Extreme Pro SSDs and they are definitely the best drives I've ever used.. Beats the crap Crucial SSD's any time..
     
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  18. DRFP

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    great probably will pick up a sandisk 512gb ssd for later then
     
  19. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Which one though? Pick up only the Extreme Pro series.. The other ones use TLC and are not better than the rest..

    Sent from my LG-H811 using Tapatalk
     
  20. HTWingNut

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    Good luck with that. There will be slim pickings of any SSD that aren't TLC for consumer grade products. Everything is moving to TLC. It's the cheapest way to offer high capacity drives at the moment. Speeds aren't too bad and honestly overall aren't too bad for your average consumer.
     
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    Yes, I understand the TLC is cheaper for consumer drives but still I won't budge to the corporate tactics first the SLC was phased out due to it's extreme cost and now TLC taking over the MLC with this new V-Nand etc..., will refrain. I guess the premium drives will be reserved for the MLC tech like the Samsung Pro series.