i need a better understanding of displays to filter down the many many laptops

res basically is the total of how much info/text we can see on the screen

1. if you have res of X, would X show the same amount of total info/text across all screen sizes? since the total res doesnt change?

if not why not?

2. if we have a res of X, and we zoom out to 80% on chrome, does that mean we are seeing basically 20% more info/text across all screen sizes?

3. if zooming out basically means more info/text, that means the max res doesnt matter that much right? since you can always just zoom out to see more info/text, so you're effectively just increasing the res yea?

if you have the same res in 15'
and in 17' screen size
that means you can zoom out more and see more info/text in 17' screen size
cos the screen size is giving you more space to zoom out from the same res
yea?

so larger screen size gives you more space to zoom out
so that means screen size is just as important as max res to see more info/text
yea?

 

1. what are the common ratios that comes close to 1:1 for laptops?

2. and what are the best laptops with those ratios that also has the ram requirement?
--> http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...one-here-good-at-recommending-laptops.831920/

 

um 4k at 100 is 4x 1080p at 100

not sure what your getting at, but the higher the rez the better for estate

 

See my responses in red above

 

umm doesnt anyone here know the answers the other questions i asked?

like,
1. what are the common ratios that comes close to 1:1 for laptops?
2. and what are the best laptops with those ratios that also has the ram requirement?

 

I've already answered your 1:1 ratio question in your other post, you're not winning any points here and no one is going to want to help you if you insult them.

There are NO 1:1 screen size ratios. 16:9 is the most common resolution ratio. There are lots of laptops out there with 32gb of ram, and many more that could be upgraded to it. You've provided zero information on what your needs are so I'm not going to attempt to list laptops for your moving target.

Do yourself a favor, provide some information so we can better help you. If you can't do that then we can't be expected to try to help you.

 

huh where in the world do you get that i 'insult' by asking question ???

where in the world you get that from?

 

You posted "umm doesnt anyone here know the answers the other questions i asked?" which insinuates we don't know or aren't willing to help you answer your questions. You've already posted those questions in another thread and I've tried to answer them based on the very limited (near zero) information you've provided. We are happy to answer reasonable questions on this forum, but you have to meet us half way by asking questions that we could actually answer.

 

It's a complicated question, with a simple answer, I hope

1) 1:1 I think is what you mean by exact match between screen display resolution and "info" resolution.

The answer is that the screen has a "fixed" density of pixels with a "fixed" resolution.

That means when you display the same resolution "info" onto a screen with the same resolution, you have a 1:1 correspondence between pixels and "info".

That's a good start, ok?

Now, when you scale up or down in resolution for the "info" displayed on the screen, the screen is no longer 1:1, and it is either not showing exact the "info" - the screen pixels can only represent a fraction of what the "info" delivers to the screen.

If you want a 1080p display (which I suggest for laptops), then you want to set your laptop "info" resolution to 1080p as well. That will give you 1:1 "info" to display pixels.

Windows allows "scaling the desktop" which means for example, on a very small display even 1080p might make some text or images too small to "read", so Windows used to default to 125% scaling or 1.25:1 - now it's back to 100% or 1:1 at default settings

You can scale the desktop image using Microsofts controls up to 500%(?), although that would be a pretty small amount of "info" blown up as shown on the 1080p display.

All displays will have a fixed pixel density and a default 1:1 resolution, and that will provide the best sharpest image to view.

I prefer a 17" screen over a 15" / 14" / 13" / 11" 1080p screen because when you stare at a screen for 10-14 hours a day at work - or longer - you have to give your eyes a chance of surviving long term. Squinting at the screen, goose-necking stretching out your neck to get closer to the screen, and everything else involved when you can't quite read what's on the display.

In my work I often am watching very fast scrolling text and I must catch things in fractions of a second, and then quickly move around in text files to find specific minute details - it's so much easier and more enjoyable when I can see what I am looking at, and then I don't have to repeat the operations over and over to catch when I need to see.

4k sounds like a great idea, but in practice it's a PIA to use for text work - unless you have a 32" or larger screen - less than that for me gives me eye-strain over the hours of use.

The only way people can use them comfortably in smaller sizes is to use Windows desktop scaling - like 200% plus, and then what's the point of the 4k screen? You might as well see your text 1:1 on a 1080p display.

1440p displays are getting much better at displaying text 1:1 at laptop and external display sizes, I prefer at least 27", that works for me. Some desktop scaling might help sometimes, but my eyesight is still very good even after decades of looking at computer screens for 16 hours a day (work+home).

You can also tweak the text display using Windows ClearType text tuner, which helps with setting the text to display more uniformly dark - much easier on the eyes when it's tuned.

If you need to see photo's and video, you'll also want 1:1 if possible. That's where the conflict between viewing and editing text on a display gets in the way of viewing and editing photo's and video.

These days we've gone far past 1080p video and photo's, so that's what drives 4k and higher resolution displays.

If that's your job and the job of your laptop, then a 4k display is a good idea for you, a bad idea for reading and editing text, but you could have another much larger monitor at home with 4k, or even a dedicated text editing / reading monitor in portrait mode to get the most screen working for your task.

So, in summary, 1:1 is best for reading text and editing video's / photo's, but I personally lean toward text - I watch videos and youtube just fine at 1080p / 1440p on 17" laptop screen's, and as soon as I can at work or at home I connect larger external displays to optimize my use.

Any questions?

Also it's traditional and expected here at NBR, to fill out the form with your requirements before asking for recommendations for laptop choices. We have looked at these requests for many years and it really does make it easier to find a focus to work with those requests. And, you may find that going through the steps of answering the questions - looking up things to be sure before answering - will help you focus your own selection process in the long run.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/what-should-i-buy-form-must-read-before-posting.29271/

Here are some links describing Screen Resolution, Windows Desktop Scaling and Cleartype Text Tuner:

What Is Monitor Resolution? Resolutions and Aspect Ratios Explained
July 29, 2019
https://www.viewsonic.com/library/tech/monitor-resolution-aspect-ratio/

Use Windows 10's individual display scaling to perfect your multi-monitor setup
Ian Paul, PCWorld | JUL 30, 2018
https://www.pcworld.com/article/295...ling-to-perfect-your-multi-monitor-setup.html

How to Turn On or Off ClearType in Windows 10
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/80598-turn-off-cleartype-windows-10-a.html

Microsoft ClearType overview
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/cleartype/

 

1. if you're zooming out on chrome = that means you're showing more text/info at the same res

and you'll be showing more text/info across all screen sizes that all have the same res (that's correct right?)

2. if you're zooming in on chrome = that means you're showing less text/info at the same res, and the font would be bigger

and you'll be showing less text/info across all screen sizes that all have the same res (that's correct right?)


this is more complicated than expected, is there not a more simpler way to show this
for example maybe a good youtube or interactive visualisation ?

have gotten to zoom/display-related topic on the main post
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/laptops-with-32gb-of-ram.831927/page-2#post-10994065

was it a yes or no to the first question that was asked?

"if you have res of X, would X show the same amount of total info/text across all screen sizes? since the total res doesnt change?"

and the other questions asked? was it a yes or no to the other 2 question in op?

 

Your confusing resolution with zooming - by definition 0 Zoom is native resolution, if you Zoom in or out you are de-natifying the standard resolution - and losing resolution effectively in either direction.

Your zoom can generate more resolution, nor reducing resolution, you are changing the portal view of the data.

You aren't at native resolution any longer, but your view port still is at native resolution - the display's resolution isn't changing - even if you change the displayed resolution, zoom in or zoom out, you've still got the view through the native resolution of the display panel.

In order to change the view of the data you'd have to display it through another resolution display. Double the resolution double the data view port.

Same as for camera sensors, you need to process all the data points of the cell or bin pixels in the cell to each other to reduce the data load, but that is the same as reducing the data resolution.

The 1:1 view through the resolution view port is the native maximum data view. You can reduce the data for each character to display - binning pixels, but their resolution will also be reduced.

You can convey more information by reducing the data used by each character - reducing the font size - but eventually the resolving power of the resolution won't be able to display data you can resolve into useful information.

It's really straightforward, in both directions, but you can defocus the resolution of the idea into confusion if you go too far.

 

we're 'losing res' in either direction? ... ?
huh? ...

in the 2nd line, i guess you saying we 'cannot' generate more res? nor can we reduce res?

anyway, if we the user sees more text/info, then even if the res is not technically changing, we are effectively increasing the res since we're seeing more via zoom from chrome

i dont care about the technical part, i just care about the user part, from the users' point of view
i dont care what techincally is or is not, none of that matters to me, i just care about the practical part
which is what the 3 questions in op was/is about

the explanation here seems to be from a technical viewpoint, but i just care about the practical part, and am looking eventually for a practical answer to the 3 questions in op asked

 

Yes, you are losing "resolution" when you zoom in or zoom out through the viewport of the unchanging native resolution of the display panel, think of the native resolution as a "screen door" through which you can see through the "holes", that is a fixed point of access to your view.

You're first question makes no sense as asked. You asked for 1:1 ratio which can be taken two way's:

a) 1:1 display resolution vs "Zoom" as you put it. The fixed ratio of the desktop at 1:1 is 100%, if you Zoom to 125% you are no longer at the native 1:1 display of data vs view port.

b) 1:1 as in physical dimensions or aspect ratio's. There are no 1:1 generally available displays for consumer use for PC's. There are indeed 1:1 displays available for commercial or industrial use for monitoring hardware - not as a PC display - and usually very small - just large enough to display fixed data.

"Common aspect ratios are 4:3, 16:9, and 16:10. 16:10 is most commonly used in computer displays, 16:9 is most commonly used for HD video, and 4:3 was most commonly in both computer displays and TV video before widescreen displays became commonplace."
https://www.google.com/search?q=commen+rations+for+computer+displays

Words - whether technical or in laymen's terms, are needed to describe what you are looking for. If you learn the language of the technical specifications you will be able to more easily ask for what you want, and understand what you need.

Without a common language as the basis for communication of complex technical aspects of technology you can go around in circles trying to create your own "non-technical" language to try to express your thoughts, and end up with a parallel lexicon to the well accepted standard.

As you more carefully divide the discussion into aspects well understood, carefully defined and accepted universally, the resolution of your ability to understand and communicate will come into focus.

That's why you are having trouble communicating what you want, as you are trying to get around learning the technicalities of the items you are looking to acquire while those are exactly what you need to express your desire.

Spend some time learning the lingo and the technical aspects, that's where the 1:1 explanations and answers reside.

 

No dude just no. Closest is 4.3 found in surfacebooks...and no you do not gain from a larger screen only that you can zoom out more then yes