i3-350M vs. Phenom II N620 (2.8GHz)

My brother is getting a dv6SE and I am trying to decide whether he should get the 't' or 'z'. I have been looking all over for benchmarks of the N620 but cannot find them. From the benchmarks of the Phenom II processors that I have found my best guess is that the N620 would perform basically equal to the 350M but does anyone know for sure?

NOTE: My brother is not going to be doing any processor intensive tasks (no video encoding or anything like that), just medium gaming and everyday word and internet use and the 'z' is $50 cheaper.

 

I dont know why nobody answered,he is asking a very simple question.

Go with the model which has an intel processor,since many hp laptops have heating issues and amd processor would double that.Intel is way more cool and better in laptop processors.

 

I'm not certain, but I think the Phenom would be adequate for his uses (moderate gaming and standard internet usage). However, battery life and heat issues are unknown for the new AMD processors. It might be best to wait until benchmarks and reviews are available before purchasing either option.

 

Why are you looking for benchmarks as the laptop will be used for internet and medium gaming?

I never trust Amd on laptops,but you can definetly trust Intel on laptops.You know,you wont be dissapointed if you buy intel,but i do not know for Amd.

 

Just curious to see if there are any out there. I don't want him having something significantly weaker than the 350M when the price difference isn't that big

Is this really still true? I have had two Turion X2 (ZM-85 and ZM-88) laptops that never went past 78C after undervolting, and that is slightly lower than the max temps I have seen for the i3 and i5's. I'll admit that I used to have a TL series processor that got uncomfortably warm but that was like 4 years ago. And from the few reviews of the newer Turion II's that I have seen, heat is not a problem.

 

Why wouldn't you trust AMD laptops? Their Neos kick Atoms in the butt and back >.>

Ok that was mostly a joke(although still true ), I'd also wait for some kind of benchmark and review on heat and power management before buying.

However given that it's for gaming purposes, do both the 't' and 'z' models come with the same GPU options?

 

It is very nice (necessary?) to know the performance, thermal issues and power characteristics of any processor before purchasing...

 

Yeah, the Mobility 5650

 

78C after undervolting!? I have a laptop with a contemporary of those Turions (Intel's T9300) and it has never exceeded 70C despite the fact that I've never bothered to do anything to cool it down. So I'd say it was still true back in 2008.

That said, the temperature is not necessarily indicative of anything except a mismatch between the cooling system and the CPU's thermal output. The parameter you really want to look at is battery life. If it is eating up more power, that power is going to become heat and even if the cooling system is well designed, it will still mean a hotter, noisier laptop.

I haven't been able to find any reviews of AMD's new processors either except one Bulgarian review of the quad-core N930. The only thing we know is that the mobile Phenom IIs are not like the desktop Phenom IIs (they lack L3 cache), but more like the desktop Athlon IIs. This doesn't tell us about their power consumption though.

 

I am aware that Intel is cooler than AMD but 78C does not worry me. If the newer Turion and Phenom IIs, which promise better thermal efficiency and battery life than the previous gen, have the same heat output as the previous gen the only thing that worries me is performance. Which is why I am asking for benchmarks if anyone has seen them.

 

I believe that the Phenom N620 is better than a Core i3-350M. There is a thread showing benchmark in this forum but I can't find it. It should be in the performance range of a Core i5-430M.

Notebookcheck: Mobile Processors - Benchmarklist

 

Phenom N620 is better than Core i3-350m in majority of single-threaded apps including games because of the speed advantage.

But in multi-threaded apps, Core i3-350m will have an edge.

 

Here a rough estimate of their performance....

Core i3-350m vs Athlon II 240 (Phenom N620 has similar specs)


ASUSTeK Computer Inc. K52JK
Summary

Geekbench Score 3393

Section Description Score
Geekbench 2.1.6 for Windows x86 (32-bit)
Integer Processor integer performance 3445
Floating Point Processor floating point performance 3959
Memory Memory performance 2717
Stream Memory bandwidth performance 2588
System Information

Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
Model ASUSTeK Computer Inc. K52JK Motherboard ASUSTeK Computer Inc. K52JK
Processor Intel Core i3 M 350
Processor ID GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 37 Stepping 2
Processor Frequency 2.27 GHz Processors 1
Cores 2 Threads 4
L1 Instruction Cache 32.0 KB L1 Data Cache 32.0 KB
L2 Cache 256 KB L3 Cache 3.00 MB
Memory 2.92 GB 1067 MHz FSB 133 MHz
BIOS American Megatrends Inc. K52JK.204
Integer Performance

Integer 3445
Blowfish
single-threaded scalar 1194
52.5 MB/sec

Blowfish
multi-threaded scalar 4495
184.2 MB/sec

Text Compress
single-threaded scalar 1728
5.53 MB/sec

Text Compress
multi-threaded scalar 4404
14.4 MB/sec

Text Decompress
single-threaded scalar 1904
7.82 MB/sec

Text Decompress
multi-threaded scalar 5305
21.1 MB/sec

Image Compress
single-threaded scalar 1745
14.4 Mpixels/sec

Image Compress
multi-threaded scalar 4578
38.5 Mpixels/sec

Image Decompress
single-threaded scalar 1817
30.5 Mpixels/sec

Image Decompress
multi-threaded scalar 3683
60.1 Mpixels/sec

Lua
single-threaded scalar 3262
1.26 Mnodes/sec

Lua
multi-threaded scalar 7236
2.78 Mnodes/sec

Floating Point Performance

Floating Point 3959
Mandelbrot
single-threaded scalar 1679
1.12 Gflops

Mandelbrot
multi-threaded scalar 5176
3.39 Gflops

Dot Product
single-threaded scalar 921
445.2 Mflops

Dot Product
multi-threaded scalar 3348
1.53 Gflops

Dot Product
single-threaded vector 3677
4.41 Gflops

Dot Product
multi-threaded vector 10690
11.1 Gflops

LU Decomposition
single-threaded scalar 1994
1.77 Gflops

LU Decomposition
multi-threaded scalar 2856
2.50 Gflops

Primality Test
single-threaded scalar 3675
549.0 Mflops

Primality Test
multi-threaded scalar 6762
1.25 Gflops

Sharpen Image
single-threaded scalar 786
1.84 Mpixels/sec

Sharpen Image
multi-threaded scalar 2425
5.59 Mpixels/sec

Blur Image
single-threaded scalar 2701
2.14 Mpixels/sec

Blur Image
multi-threaded scalar 8739
6.87 Mpixels/sec

Memory Performance

Memory 2717
Read Sequential
single-threaded scalar 3095
3.79 GB/sec

Write Sequential
single-threaded scalar 5521
3.78 GB/sec

Stdlib Allocate
single-threaded scalar 980
3.66 Mallocs/sec

Stdlib Write
single-threaded scalar 1835
3.80 GB/sec

Stdlib Copy
single-threaded scalar 2154
2.22 GB/sec

Stream Performance

Stream 2588
Stream Copy
single-threaded scalar 2544
3.48 GB/sec

Stream Copy
single-threaded vector 2858
3.71 GB/sec

Stream Scale
single-threaded scalar 2372
3.08 GB/sec

Stream Scale
single-threaded vector 2721
3.67 GB/sec

Stream Add
single-threaded scalar 2401
3.62 GB/sec

Stream Add
single-threaded vector 2866
3.99 GB/sec

Stream Triad
single-threaded scalar 2700
3.73 GB/sec

Stream Triad
single-threaded vector 2242
4.20 GB/sec


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Athlon II 240

Summary

Geekbench Score 3381
Section Description Score
Geekbench 2.1.6 for Windows x86 (32-bit)
Integer Processor integer performance 3628
Floating Point Processor floating point performance 4097
Memory Memory performance 2382
Stream Memory bandwidth performance 2017
System Information

Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
Model System manufacturer System Product Name Motherboard ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A78-AM
Processor AMD Athlon II X2 240
Processor ID AuthenticAMD Family 16 Model 6 Stepping 2
Processor Frequency 2.80 GHz Processors 1
Cores 2 Threads 2
L1 Instruction Cache 64.0 KB L1 Data Cache 256 KB
L2 Cache 2.00 MB L3 Cache 0.00 B
Memory 3.24 GB 800 MHz FSB 200 MHz
BIOS American Megatrends Inc. 1001
Integer Performance

Integer 3628
Blowfish
single-threaded scalar 1759
77.3 MB/sec

Blowfish
multi-threaded scalar 3764
154.3 MB/sec

Text Compress
single-threaded scalar 2239
7.16 MB/sec

Text Compress
multi-threaded scalar 4311
14.1 MB/sec

Text Decompress
single-threaded scalar 2590
10.6 MB/sec

Text Decompress
multi-threaded scalar 5246
20.9 MB/sec

Image Compress
single-threaded scalar 2173
18.0 Mpixels/sec

Image Compress
multi-threaded scalar 4237
35.7 Mpixels/sec

Image Decompress
single-threaded scalar 2055
34.5 Mpixels/sec

Image Decompress
multi-threaded scalar 4143
67.6 Mpixels/sec

Lua
single-threaded scalar 3757
1.45 Mnodes/sec

Lua
multi-threaded scalar 7262
2.79 Mnodes/sec

Floating Point Performance

Floating Point 4097
Mandelbrot
single-threaded scalar 2013
1.34 Gflops

Mandelbrot
multi-threaded scalar 4081
2.67 Gflops

Dot Product
single-threaded scalar 908
439.0 Mflops

Dot Product
multi-threaded scalar 1923
876.3 Mflops

Dot Product
single-threaded vector 2534
3.04 Gflops

Dot Product
multi-threaded vector 5824
6.06 Gflops

LU Decomposition
single-threaded scalar 2374
2.11 Gflops

LU Decomposition
multi-threaded scalar 4778
4.19 Gflops

Primality Test
single-threaded scalar 3067
458.1 Mflops

Primality Test
multi-threaded scalar 4799
890.6 Mflops

Sharpen Image
single-threaded scalar 2460
5.74 Mpixels/sec

Sharpen Image
multi-threaded scalar 4944
11.4 Mpixels/sec

Blur Image
single-threaded scalar 5887
4.66 Mpixels/sec

Blur Image
multi-threaded scalar 11776
9.26 Mpixels/sec

Memory Performance

Memory 2382
Read Sequential
single-threaded scalar 3011
3.69 GB/sec

Write Sequential
single-threaded scalar 4194
2.87 GB/sec

Stdlib Allocate
single-threaded scalar 1146
4.28 Mallocs/sec

Stdlib Write
single-threaded scalar 1643
3.40 GB/sec

Stdlib Copy
single-threaded scalar 1916
1.98 GB/sec

Stream Performance

Stream 2017
Stream Copy
single-threaded scalar 2073
2.84 GB/sec

Stream Copy
single-threaded vector 2477
3.21 GB/sec

Stream Scale
single-threaded scalar 2129
2.76 GB/sec

Stream Scale
single-threaded vector 2357
3.18 GB/sec

Stream Add
single-threaded scalar 1395
2.11 GB/sec

Stream Add
single-threaded vector 2482
3.45 GB/sec

Stream Triad
single-threaded scalar 1394
1.93 GB/sec

Stream Triad
single-threaded vector 1831
3.43 GB/sec

 

I would probably always buy intel, but I'm cautiously optimistic about the mobile Phenom II's. Both CPUs you are considering have 35W TDPs, so the temps shouldn't be that different.

 

the thing is that in the past this hasn't been the case.. i would say intel is better and safer to buy.. ur notebook is more likely to last longer with an intel rather than an AMD CPU..

 

Thanks for the benchmarks and the review in your sig. I decided that I think the 'z' would be better for him because of the $50 price difference, under $700 total after BCB, and similar performance. You were a big help with the benchmarks. Thanks again

I already convinced my brother to let me play around with the notebook when he gets it so I will be sure to let everyone know how the processor performs.

 

Glad to be of help.

Keep us posted.

 

Just got the laptop this morning and downloaded Orthos/HW Monitor straight out of the box. I have had Orthos running while updated, installing programs, uninstalling crapware, etc, for the past 20 minutes and so far the max temp is 68C. Gonna do a full review with benchmarks today or tomorrow, luckily my brother is out of town until Sunday.

Edit: Tried running Intel Burn Test 10 times and got a max temp of 68C still, usually it levels out to around 65-66C. Also ran 3dMark06 and got a score of 2215 for the CPU, and the WEI is 6.3 for the processor though that doesn't mean much. If anyone has any specific benchmarks they want me to run just post the download link here. Gonna run 3dVantage, PCMark, and Cinebench tomorrow morning

 

Keep us informed!

 

Cinebench Scores
Single - 2898
Multi - 5601

PCMark Vantage
4494

3dMark Vantage
CPU: 4434, Graphics: 3632 (didn't give a total score, don't know why)

Also undervolted slightly and max temp is now 66C while temps are normally 2-4C lower.

 

can I ask how long it took to complete the multithreaded test in Cinebench? Score doesn't tell me much)))

 

2 minutes and 34 seconds

 

hummm, it's still about 10 seconds behind my p8600.

thanks!

 

these numbers are a bit below my i5-430 scores.
Cinebench single: 3237
multi: 6574