i7-4710HQ/MQ ?

I've noticed some laptops are selling with the i7-4710HQ/MQ recently, as compared to the i7-4700 that has been around since Haswell's release. As far as I can tell, it seems the same except for a slight bump in the clock speeds. Is that all it is, or is this possibly part of the Devil's Canyon refresh, meaning an improved TIM?

 

No IHS so no Intel TIM on mobile processors.

 

These HQ processors are soldered to the motherboard.. MQ are unsoldered/socketed processors.

 

if it's not soldered could I change the processor?
This would be the only giustification of difference of price...

 

Yes, non-soldered means the CPU is upgrade-able. Also, the MQ chips are better able to deal with overclocks; I've heard a decent few people with HQ chips who couldn't keep the OC allowed by the chips (in this case, the 4710HQ can hit 3.5GHz on 4 cores versus the 3.3GHz base turbo it has. But it won't hit 3.5; it'll barely keep 3.4 if you OC it no matter what you do with the power limits).

 

ok MQ is better...XD
got it!

 

Yes in essence... I would get a 4810MQ as honestly, the £100 more is worth the extra performance and removes needed to spend much more to upgrade later..

 

the £100 more is worth the extra performance???I thougth the opposite...

 

What laptop are you getting it in? Clevo gaming laptop? Alienware/MSI wut laptop is it?

If it's gaming laptop, you can OC from 3.6GHz on all cores to 4.0GHz on all cores.. 4710MQ is limited to 3.5GHz on all cores...

 

SANTECH N87

or

SANTECH C37

I'll use for calculus and programming...I have the big one for gaming...

What do you think?

 

While you'll get about 11% faster performance each time you use it over the life of the system with an 4810MQ vs. an 4710MQ, the £100 difference would make me lean towards doubling the RAM instead (16GB or even 32GB) for the same/similar £££. Depending on what you're doing with the system of course.

If the RAM is already maxed in a potential new system and you're thinking of keeping it longer than 3 years, then I would agree the upgrade to the 4810MQ would be my choice too. That ~11% increase, now, is like a platform (or two) increase in a year or so. And, you'll have that power on tap every day you power on the notebook.

Another 'check' that I do is the %age of the cost of the upgrade to the whole system cost - if the system is already costing you more than £1000, then it is still cost effective to upgrade now.

But all of the above is assuming that the RAM is maxed out first.


Edit: Seeing your last post/configuration and depending on whether you need the highest platform performance for your workflows; I would even consider the 4910MQ option too.

 

I wouldn't instantly go for maxing the RAM. 32GB isn't something I'd jump at before upgrading my CPU from the 4710MQ. I'd say 16GB is a nice soft cap at which upgrading the CPU is a go. Or, alternately, buy specifically 1 x 8GB stick and the CPU upgrade, then get another 8GB stick later on if money is tight. Friend with a GT70 did that.

 

Get the N87.. It has the MQ chip and get a 4810MQ... More CPU power will help for programming.. Also make sure you get 12/16GB RAM...

 

It's the thing I thougth...but It's the cpu really upgradable?
I think a good choice for me would be only 8gb...I'll use also CATIA...the 970 could be a good choice for me?

 

CPU+RAM= Work performed.

Yeah; I would say 'instantly' upgrade the RAM always (if your workflow will benefit, of course - but with simple browsing w/multiple tabs and multiple browser windows, the benefits are there). Not sure how this will translate to the workflows that the OP intends for this system, but more RAM always leads to a better balanced system.

 

Yes CPU is upgradeable.. I'd get 4810MQ it's more then enough for Catia.. As for RAM, 8GB is just not enough.. I have 12 and I'm really tempted to get 16GB but my AW is tempermental with RAM... So Donald get 4810MQ + 16GB RAM.. As for GPU, depends on whether you'll be gaming and how much? You said you have a desktop right? If your budget is short, get the 970M.. Got more get 980M.. Keeping for 2-3 years get 970M, 3-4 years then 980M..

 

Very true, but then again, while 8GB is nowhere near enough RAM for me, 16GB is (at least as of right now). There's tons of people who'll grab 32GB and a good amount of them do need it, but most people won't, so I usually say "if you know you need 32GB of RAM, then you should get it. If you don't know how much RAM you need, ask us for advice".

But yeah, it can't really hurt having "too much" power, RAM or vRAM. It's only beneficial. It's just that 16GB --> 32GB usually is more than 4710MQ --> 4810MQ. And I think the CPU upgrade is worth a bit more (because going from 2 x 8GB to 4 x 8GB doesn't involve dumping the old RAM; so more cost effective to upgrade later as well).

 

If you need virtual machines for your programming the 47xxMQ does not support VT-d while the 47xxHQ and 48xxMQ do.

 

That just changed my world! Thanks for posting. At the very least many of us would want to keep this door open.

 

I hope you read this as "buy 4810MQ" =D

 

divided by zero derp

 

What does that mean, early celebrations?

If your thinking i7-4810MQ them you might want to consider the i7-4820MQ instead.

 

I posted in the wrong thread

 

I think most people take this FAR too seriously. VT-d IS NOT VT-x. If you want to run a virtual machine, you for sure want VT-x. That is what makes your virtual machine run natively on the processor. These days, all of Intel's current processors support it, even Celerons. VT-d gives you direct access to a PCI-E lane for your virtual machine. Unless what you are doing with your VM is I/O limited or needs to reduce latency by 1-2 millionths of a second, there will be no noticeable difference.

 

There is a 4820MQ? I was of the opinion that Intel killed the entire MQ market; wouldn't make sense for them to make a 4820MQ after doing this.

 

They still make the i7-4810MQ and usually Intel bumps the clock speeds 100MHz after their yields improve. Same chip, just yields improve so they can bump clocks 100MHz.

 

I can't find any 4820MQ.. I know the 4700HQ was replaced with 4710HQ and 4720HQ but 4810MQ is the tops for the 48xxMQ series...

 

Yeah, what tom said. Also, the only machines that still use the MQ line are the ones that have yet to be phased out: the PxxxSM-A series from Clevo, the GTx0 series from MSI and the Alienware machines (which are NOT officially supporting 900M chips).

All new machines are using HQ series, and Clevo has resorted to using desktop chips to keep the sockets for that reason. #Intel

 

Well AFAIK officially the i7-4720HQ and i7-4722HQ that you already see on the net but not currently in the Intel Ark are not supposed to be released until 2015.

From what I gather to date it may be something like this for the mobile quads. Only default max turbo shown.

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Haswell Release	   Refresh 1	      Refresh 2
i7-4700HQ Q2/13 -> i7-4710HQ Q2/14 -> i7-4720HQ Q4/14?	3.4GHz -> 3.5GHz -> 3.6GHz
i7-4700MQ Q2/13 -> i7-4710MQ Q2/14  			3.4GHz -> 3.5GHz
i7-4702HQ Q2/13 -> i7-4712HQ Q2/14 -> i7-4722HQ Q4/14?	3.2GHz -> 3.3GHz -> 3.4GHz
i7-4702MQ Q2/13 -> i7-4712MQ Q2/14 -> i7-4722MQ Q1/15?	3.2GHz -> 3.3GHz -> 3.4GHz
i7-4750HQ Q3/13 -> i7-4760HQ Q2/14 -> i7-4770HQ Q3/14 	3.2GHz -> 3.3GHz -> 3.4GHz
i7-4800MQ Q2/13 -> i7-4810MQ Q1/14 -> i7-4820MQ Q1/15?	3.7GHz -> 3.8GHz -> 3.9GHz
i7-4850HQ Q3/13 -> i7-4860HQ Q1/14 -> i7-4870HQ Q3/14	3.5GHz -> 3.6GHz -> 3.7GHz
i7-4900MQ Q2/14 -> i7-4910MQ Q1/14			3.8GHz -> 3.9GHz
i7-4950HQ Q3/13 -> i7-4960HQ Q4/13 -> i7-4980HQ Q3/14	3.6GHz -> 3.8GHz -> 4.0GHz
i7-4930MX Q2/13 -> i7-4940MX Q1/14 			3.9GHz -> 4.0GHz 

Perhaps early 2015 before seeing some of them but of course not guaranteed. Nothing appearing yet for MX, 4900MQ or 4700MQ series.

So a 4820MQ with possibility of 4.2GHz 4 cores with a little bclk bump if your hardware has the power and cooling capability to run it at that.

 

That's very weird... I don't see where they get a benefit from bumping the 4700MQ and 4800MQ but not bumping the 4900MQ a third time. Also, even more baffling is that they're still not making new MQ-series laptops for reasons general consumers do not know.

 

I hear you, seems even the new gaming MSI GT80 is coming with HQ processors. BTW it was 4702MQ not 4700MQ that is listed with second refresh. I guess that makes the 4722 equivalent to the older 4700 but with a 37W SKU.

 

That second refresh I'm sure is already out. I'm certain I've seen it before. I know it has a 4702HQ chip as well.

 

Probably not bumping 49xxMQ because the leftover parts are being refashioned into the 4820MQ. All they gotta do is axe 2MB of cache and bin the chips just ever so slightly higher.

#profit

 

That makes no sense at all. Once they manufacture a chip, they cannot go back and change it.

 

Intel can actually program the chip to an extent using the pads and a special tool.

 

They can and they do.

 

Actually I'm remembering now... the current 4810MQ chips are 4900MQ chips. CPU-Z reads them as both: the series is 4900MQ but the name designation is 4810MQ and the L3 cache is the correct 6MB size. So, yes they can and likely do.

 

I wonder how the OEMs feel about this... Wouldn't they have to carry far more SKUs for CTO?

 

Ahh that's why I've always seen the 4810MQ looking like a 4900MQ in CPU-Z.. Go figure