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    i7-4710hq vs i7-4720hq. i7-4720hq worse binned processor than previous model?

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Papusan, Jul 5, 2015.

  1. Papusan

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    i7-4710Bga vs i7-4720Bga. Is i7-4720Bga worse binned processor than previous model of same serie?

    Newer i7-4720hq throttles down to 800MHz while former i7-4710hq not have this behavior in Asus G751... The new laptop with newest cpu use in addition also much lower wattage under maximum load in test. Load Maximum 196.8watt vs 212.8 watts used with the previous Asus model(Both same hardware).

    The Asus g751 gaming laptop is upgraded now with G-Sync + new Bga processor and has been tested by Noteboocheck.net reviews. This laptop use i7-4720hq vs i7-4710hq that are in previously Asus of the same model series. It turns out that i7-4720hq throttles more than previous Intel i7-4710hq. It looks like newer Intel processors are inferior to last year's models. Is there anyone who has viewpoints on this??? Intel Squeeze the lemon to the last drop before they launch new processor models? It also proves that the power consumption with the latest Asus model is much lower than in the previous model of the same series and with the same hardware(cpu and gpu). Load Maximum *196.8 watt vs 212.8 watt on previous Asus model. http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Asus-G751JY-G-Sync-Notebook.145882.0.html VS http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-G751JY-T7009H-Notebook-Review.133178.0.html
     
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    Normally, if a CPU throttles down to 800 MHz, it's due to heat safeties kicking in. That or Asus is being stupid with some of their BIOS settings and the CPU is throttling when there is nothing wrong, such was the case with some older G series models.
     
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    Newest Bga Intel processors throttle although temp is not too high. Either because of bios are crippled or because of a bad processor. There are more and more of such processor behavior now in many new laptops. In some laptops work the processor better while others are worse. This behavior is with the same laptop and brand.
     
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    Mine throttles down to 2.6GHz ( Turbo boost off ) when it reaches 65C but I read that only Lenovo does that. However, this can be controlled using ThrottleStop.
     
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    There are many who still can not repair the throttle problem with Trottlestop or Xtu. Hq processors has its own behavior that is not possible to fix and some brand use a crippled bios. The Guide from @D2 Ultima is quite good as you see in the picture...
    D2 Ultima.PNG
     
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    If it is thorttling down to 800mhz, it is not the CPU fault~.
     
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    Yeah I read it before, quite informative. Honestly, I don't think it's Intel's fault. Manufacturers have control over how they choose the CPU to behave, some choose to limit performance to decrease thermal output and others don't.
     
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    How can you explain that the same type of laptop and brand, same processor model; Behave so differently under full load even if the temperature is low? Both run the same benchmark tests.
    Some laptop manufacturers don't use Intel's own specifications when it comes to core voltage on stock Hq processors. Some deliver laptops with processors that have sky high core voltage while others are more moderate on this. Is there a reason for this ?
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ttling-to-800-mhz.777144/page-4#post-10024168
    Someone with a higher core voltage on a i7-4720hq :D? upload_2015-7-6_1-13-39.png
     
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    Considering how the HQ chips perform equally to each other in Clevo's P6xxSx line, I'd say that manufacturers are to blame for the random issues. Granted, there ARE downsides to the HQ chips as I am always quite happy to tell people, but the alienware models seem to be extremely random in how they handle those chips. I think I've seen 1.4v in some of them, and others just refuse to turbo in games, and then some of them work just fine (excepting the power limitation), and there was one that wouldn't pass 36W and had a short power limit of "47W" instead of being "47W" and "57W". It seems the only consistent notebooks are Clevo's line this time. ASUS and MSI I know have had people unable to pass 47W AT ALL for any reason, and then others could correctly hit their 57W limits etc... but AW seems to be a grab bag of terriblesauce these days.
     
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    Why the hell use the laptop manufacturers so different voltage settings on these Hq chips? 1.4V can kill a bad chip that is inside a laptop with equally poor cooling. You can run 4.5 ghz with such high voltage. 1.2V is also plenty for 4.3 ghz with an ok chip. LoL
     
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    I wish I could tell you man. I really don't know.
     
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    Check to make sure windows power profile is set to high performance. Also check your Asus utilities that there isn't some app also throttling the CPU. HP has something called "Coolsense" that will throttle the CPU or GPU at low temps to keep it cool.