8770w compatible video cards

I have a 8770w on the way. I'm not a gamer.

I have a drone that can film in 4k. I don't think this setup will view the 4k footage will it. If not, no big deal.

For what I'm doing is it even necessary to upgrade from my AMD Firepro M2 XT Gl card just to watch 1080 stuff. Thanks

 

You can view footage filmed in 4k just fine, you just won't be able to see the benefit on a 1080 screen, but as far as gusto goes that setup barebones will playback 4k footage glitch-free all day every day.

 

How can I identify what heatsink do I need? I want to narrow search on eBay, maybe HP part number?

 

Hi,
last night the gpu of my 8770w died (it was a Quadro k5000m nvidia)
i could get a nvidia mxm gpu Quadro p4000m (pascal) for a relatively cheap Price. I read all the Reports About the upgrade Options, but i couldnt find anything about this card. There are Resellers who sell also the p5000m (but very expensive) so i think it should be possible to upgrade to the p4000m.

I could Need some help or opinions from the experts here, what do you think, should i try it? do you think it fits to the configuration (Intel i7 3920xm) or os it the Overkill? How could i manage the bios Problem, because i think this gpu is not listed there?

thanks for your help, best chris

 

I upgraded my 8770w with firepro m4000 to nvidia k3100m with new larger heatsink. the k3100m is new one, HP one.
First it was black screen with display output only from DP port. I used Display port and used nvflash dos version to flash dell vbios to the card. The display was then output from laptop screen, and no DP. I was able to login with basic display driver and k3100m recognized,but with basic display driver.

I downloaded nvidia driver from nvidia website and installed the driver, but when i restarted, there were multiple screens, green flickering all over the laptop screen and no output from DP port.

In upset situation, I again flashed another HP vbios. Now I am stuck with black screen both in laptop and no output in DP port.

I tried to used blind flash (changed boot order to run from usb drive at first before looking hard drives) too using the backup original firmware I created, but now I am stuck and when I type in using keyboard, I start to get beep sounds on pressing every keys. CAn some body explain why I am getting such sound?

Finally, please anybody has a solution to get the k3100 back to original bios state. I am desperate need of some expert advice.

 

Hello all.
I have a good working 8770w that came with an M4000 Firepro and with DreamColour panel. By the way, I also tried swapping the card with a quadro 3000M, it just works. It is gorgeous. But then I decided to put in an M5000M card since I have it lying around.
The card perfectly works( it is a good working card too.. confirmed working with 8760W, 900p panel 8770W, Dell m6800).
I installed the card, modded the drivers inf to detect the card. Display works great only until I install the gpu drivers. Soon after the driver gets installed, the display just turns black. When I tried with different OS like w8.1, w10, it is the same. But I also tried connecting to a 2k monitor and it is giving output. But my laptop screen refuses to lit up/blank screen starts during the log-in phase.
is there anyway that i can get my m5000m to get it work with the 8770W dreamcolour?

Please help guys.

 

Yes, install Windows 10 in UEFI mode and install 388.00 or 388.13 drivers.

 

yes that's right. i forgot to tell the resolution. any UEFI OS will work. thank you for reply and time . i would like to add any driver version works even the v411

 

Is your M5000M working at the end?
How it behaves with the Dreamcolor?
I am interested in “upgrading” my 8770W from GTX 980M to M5000M because of the greyscale issues with the first one...

 

i confirm full functionality. go for the upgrade. im personally using it on the DC panel and is gorgeous.
make sure you are running an UEFI based OS & mod the GPU driver's inf file that's all.

 

And no issues with the greyscale (banding, gradients)??

 

no no.., no bandings or greyscaling..... its just perfect.

 

Where did you buy it from and for how much, if it’s not a secret?

 

i bought it from a local market for an equivalent of ~450 USD. i considered myself lucky then; which is almost 15 months ago

 

Is your M5000M a Dell card?
Which vbios is on it?
Can you upload here your vbios .rom file if you don’t mind?

 

Ok, I got a M5000M and I am stunned how cool it runs on my 8770W!!! OMG!
With overclock at 1185Mhz for the GPU, this card never exceeds 66-67C! And that’s even without LM, just Kryonaut...its ASIC quality is 77,4%, whereas my previous GTX 980m was 69,4% and never managed to reach such an O/C, let aside its temps of 79-81C at stock speeds...insane..

 

Just to tell you that there is a banding in the greyscale with M5000M
But consider yourself lucky if you don’t see it It’s there.

 

I just started hunting for one of these M5000M's and put a few offers out. Did you have any problems with vbios? I read that Dell and HP Mx000M cards work on our 8770's work and that the vbios doesn't matter, but I was skeptical... which vbios are you currently running to allow for the overclock?

 

No, no problems at all. I am running the native Dell vbios. Don‘t try to flash a HP vbios, because there is size difference between both - 112KB for HP vs 191Kb for Dell.

 

Thanks for the quick response! M5000M is purchased

Are you using INF strings edit for the drivers to install? I wasn't sure if that was necessary or not these quadro's

 

Yes, I am - it‘s necessary with the Quadros, not with GTX under Win 10.

 

hello. congrats on your upgrade. i would like to add that the engineering design to dissipate heat is not great on the 8770w. I would call it very unthoughtful.
that card isn't really a hot one. however, the temperatures under load above 90% will throttle down the gpu clocks to as low as 8xx mhz on long durations of gaming or rendering. the throttling starts at 87C(no bios mods) whereas the core stands at 1050 boost/962 base.

im not using kryo. but used ceramique 2, cm mastergel nano, noctua nt-h1.
cm nano gave me the best result followed by cerq.2 then by nt-h1.

 

No throttling at all in my case. With prolonged use at 99% load of the gpu, the temps stay at the comfortable range of 64-67C and the gpu clocks are rock stable at 1185Mhz OCed.

 

I tend to agree about the heat dissipation on these, it is the only bit that wasn't over-engineered.

Those are some amazing temps , that must be a golden chip. I'll have to post back once I finish testing and OC limits on this one. Not sure how this will fare with clocks but I'm betting it should capable of at least as much headroom as a 980M.


Here's a cautionary tale about the importance of good heatsink fit. This issue can be covered up to some degree with thermal paste but becomes painfully obvious on a very thin coat of liquid metal. I evidently had a so-so fit using my K5000M with Kryonaut and it had zero issues.

After getting some rough numbers with a liquid metal application on the M5000M, I set about tearing the 8770w apart for the millionth time. I was using coolaboratory liquid ultra since its a bit less liquid than the IMO thinner conductonaut and I am paranoid about liquid metal application (see pics - moat of paste after 4 layers of clear nail polish in channel around GPU die and kapton tape over this). I had previously been seeing gpu temps at 50-60* idle and 80-90* load. Not good. Removing the heatsink, you could see that only half of the liquid metal on the GPU die was under pressure (pic 1 - ignore the excess paste from my "moat" around the die).

To fix this I did three more rounds of test fitting the heatsink after cleaning and applying a thin "+" of regular past across the die. In this process I switched a few things, first I went with a new x-bracket, technically the same as the one from my previous K5000M but slightly more perfect / flat. This helped even the coverage some but I still had excess paste on one side. I then switched from fujipoly pads on that side to thermal grizzly 1.5mm since the thermal grizzly are less stiff than the fujipoly (pics 3, 4). finally, adjusted a few other thermal pads from either fuji poly or generic to thermal grizzly and final test fit came back almost perfect. A final cleanup and then I reapplied CLU.

TL,DR; Idle temps are now down to 29* C with this M5000M, max load on a stress test comes to 68-71*C

I also decided to switch from paste to CLU with the CPU (previously paste) and dropped load temps from 80+ C to 58-60*C

 

Great job!
I am just wondering how long it will take until the CLU needs to be repasted?
I am using i7 3840QM right now, but still considering to upgrade to 3940XM and use LM. But if I have to repaste the CPU every 6 months, I am going to stick with 3840QM as it is really much cooler CPU with its 45W and not much slower at the same time.
Would you mind to test your current setup with some intensive CPU+GPU tasks (FarCry New Dawn is best for that) and share the CPU temps when GPU is under heavy loads?

P.S. Do you use RAID setup on your system?

 

I haven't used CLU on a laptop / anything that gets this hot for prolonged periods before, I used conductonaut in the past and it was fine after 2+ years. Conductonaut is thinner though, so I may check and reapply in 6-12 months just in case (or sooner, if I notice significant temp changes).

I don't recommend the 3940xm / 3920xm for our 8770w's. They're awesome CPUs if you can take advantage of the OC headroom but we really can't on the 8770w so performance is within a few percent of the 3840qm while using more power and running much hotter. You could probably get away with repasting once a year with LM and a 3940xm, but you already have the best perf/watt CPU available so I wouldn't bother. Worth mentioning, my CPU regularly spikes over the 55w TDP so the 45w chip at roughly the same spec is definitely preferable.

I don't currently use the RAID setup on this system but I do have a pair of 2.5" 1tb samsung evo's installed, so it's definitely a consideration in the future. I've been burned by RAID 0 in the past though so I'm not eager to repeat that - I wish the MSATA interface ran at SATA 3 speeds, I'd use that for OS and set the 2.5" in RAID 0 if that was the case.

Don't have New Dawn, but I'll install Far Cry 5 and test when I get the chance. Installed BFV yesterday but never got to testing thanks the launcher detecting the Quadro new feature driver as too old for whatever optimizations BFV wanted... setup this workaround script and it seems to launch now.

 

I would like to know how you were burned by RAID 0, if you do not mind explaining what happened.

 

Not in reference to the Elitebooks, just in general. I was an early adopter consumer RAID 0 motherboards and used them in the late 90's to early 00's. RAID 0 on a few good HDD's was the fastest money could buy at the time (2 WD Velociraptor / 10k drives were the most sought after boot config...).

Anyway, I had a good run of luck with no failures in RAID 0 for years and stopped maintaining my backups properly - I promptly lost a drive and a whole mess of files ranging from documents, music, and family photos. Ever since then, I strictly use RAID 0 as an option for secondary volumes that load software and games and nothing else. I haven't tried, but I suppose I could get a third 2.5" drive loaded into the CD/DVD bay's SATA connector. I'm not positive that bay would run at SATA 3 either (much like the SATA 2 speed on the mSATA slot.

 

It won't. I am using 256GB for system, 500 mSata for games and 2 x 2TB - one as a second hdd and one in the optical bay. SATA 2 speeds for mSata and the optical bay, unfortunately. It would be too nice to have 4x SATA 3 though...

 

After overclocking my G.Skill DDR3L 1600MHz CL9 RAM to 1866MHz CL10 and heavily overclocking M5000M to 1400MHz core and 2700MHz mem, I got this results, which are ok for 7 y.o. laptop, I think...

 

Is there a general thread for 8770w-s? Recently got my hands on a really nice model, at a pretty fair price, 3720qm CPU, with 16 GB of ram and a k3000m so I got some questions.
It surprised me that theres vivid community still build around this machine, and it's awesome. Is there a method for silencing this beast? Not looking for extreme CPU power, the current one is just fine, matches my current desktop speed but the temps are jumping all around in hwmonitor, hitting 85C while just letting windows update run.
Gonna re-paste with a thermal grizzly kyronaut, liquid metal is not really my thing in a portable machine plus I'd rather avoid re-pasting every 6-12 months, but if theres some epic thermal gains I will consider it. Gonna switch the keyboard for a backlit one, would love the DreamColor display but don't really wanna drop 400+ usd for that one since that's the price I got the machine. Would it make sense to run 2 SSD in raid 0 for more speed? Is it possible to make raid setups with the mSata ports? Any must upgrade that you would recommend? Somewhere along the line, I will swap the GPU for a more powerful one, not really sure what route should I got down, hacking a 1070 or 1060 would be amazing, but compatibility is a question and I only saw it done on Chinese forums, and running a 980 also needs some editing and playing around.

 

Despite spending quite a few hours browsing, I have not found any specific technical info on what constitues a compatible graphics card. It sounds like both MXM 3.0 type A and B will fit.
And you need one with LVDS output, unless you have a Dreamcolor panel.
In addition, you need a compatible vbios.

Am I right so far? Anything important missing? I am not looking at crazy hacks with custom coolers and graphics cards fitted in the drive bay.

Which is the *least* powerhungry graphics card I can pop into a 8770w with DC? and without DC? And ditto for the 8570w? Or is it easier pointing at a videocard generation and say that "there is no Pascal MXM board with LVDS"? For example.

Only tangentially on-topic for the thread, but:
I have see references to DC, DC2 and DC3. Anyone care to highligt any differences?

Can any 8770w be rebuilt to dreamcolor, provided one can get a hand on the panel, the colorboard and the cable? WWAN is not of interest to me.

Edit:
The 8770w ships with mxm 3.0b originally, the 8570w with mxm 3.0a.
Either will physically fit the other, if I understand correctly. How about mxm 3.1?
Would I have to rebuild the cooling of the 8770w in order to fit a 3.0a card?

 

I am waiting for my M5000M, it`s on it`s way, I paid $350 USD. You only have to change the GPU heat sink from 1 pipe to 2 pipes. Heat sink it`s about $30 USD on eBay as well.

Not sure if this would answer your questions. You might need a bigger power brick, mine I think its the 230W.

 

When you get your M5000m, tell me, pls, how % is its ASIC quality, you will find this info in GPU-Z. Thanks in advance!

 

Hi guys, is it possible to install a M4000m with dell vbios?

 

Yes

 

Thanks, so there is no need to flash it with an HP vbios, it's a plug and play install, apart from the inf driver mod?

 

Sorry for my late reply. I swapped the GPU`s and I was getting nothing out of the new one (M5000M) so I removed, placed my old one in, and ordered a USB flasher to flash the vBIOS. After i received the USB flashing tool... I tried to place the 8 pins clip over the chip, unfortunately... I pinched a resistor and yanked it off the PCB... I just lost my minds, I just wasted $350 USD for an old laptop... So I don`t know if I received it broken or only needed a vBIOS flash...

Anyway, I just purchased a K400M and this one only I had to swap it, It came with Dell vBIOS already... I only paid $80 USD for this, as coming from the AMD FirePro to this... to be hones, I do not see much of a improvement...

In my opinion, it is not worth the upgrade, hold on your money, buy a desktop. This machines are very big and heavy, not worth to carry around. Any upgrades to these laptops are a waste (my opinion) cheers to everyone!

 

I would say just on a contrary, based on my personal experience - this particular machine is a beast and upgrading it is worth every penny.
I think you’ve simply overlooked to read my comments about flashing m5000m with a HW programmer - I did explicitly mention that the vBios chip is not compatible with the clips of the programmer and most probably will cause a short circuit or a physical damage to the elements nearby- exactly what you’ve done.
As I said - I had Quadro m5000m prior to my recent GTX 1070 and everything worked amazing with it. Among all gpus I’ve tried on my 8770W (GTX 980, M5000M, GTX 1070) I failed only once with Quadro P4000 , but this was rather because it has limited vBioses, available for free download on the web.
This is a short video of my current 8770W’s setup and in my humble opinion - it is hell of a laptop!

 

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I have to NOT agree with your statement " I did explicitly mention that the vBios chip is not compatible with the clips of the programmer" yes, I is a little harder to put the clip on, but it does works. All you have to do is to push the pins in the clip a little deeper in the clip, then attach it to the chip.

I was able to flash it, unfortunately, I have pinched a resistor from the PCB, the resistor was so small, I was not able to see it with naked eye, I had to use a DSLR a Macro Lens and a tripod. Anyway, again... if your machine already has Dreamcolor... lets say, might be a reason to upgrade, but if you don`t is just pure waste of money. I am using the laptop for Lightroom, photoshop and Premiere Pro... With i7 CPU 3940XM, 32 GB RAM, with 1TB SSD Samsung vNand... and my "new" K4000M gpu... it is still struggling, in PremierePro still freezes frames while video-playback and not even at full resolution, and most of my clips are around 10 seconds mark... Putting money into a laptop like this is like you are tuning your 1983 300 SDL Mercedes... It`s old.

 

I think „not compatible“ includes the option of ruining some of the surrounding elements. This wouldn’t have happened if the vBios chip was the standard one with visible pins.
Still consider this as your fault as it simply contains the risk of damaging something as it is NOT supposed to be used on this type of vBios chip.

 

This or my m6700 are the absolute best. this laptop outperforms macs, windows and linux (I have installed a k5100m) i cannot express how happy I am with it.

 

My new 8770W DreamColor GPU just arrived.
P5000M QUADRO. I got it for 605$ - great deal.

i'm having difficulty running it though
Can't seem to mod the drivers properly.
Help anyone?