HP 8510p, MXM upgrade -> nvidia Quadro 770M, blank screen

Hi every1,
I just received from ebay a nvidia Quadro 770M 512MB

as an upgrade for my HP 8510p which currently has ATi HD2600 256MB.
Both cards are MXM II (physically fit) however I'm afraid that this VGA is not on whitelist so it's not going to work - I only get blank screen, no error message, no POST, no chance of entering BIOS. I read that there is some tool that can modify BIOS - something called HP Tattoo utility however maybe it's obsolete now and has been replaced by some other utility - I can't even download it anywhere.
I've also read that some guy had some problem with mini PCI wireless utility and he had modified his Phoenix BIOS to make it work, however he had HP Pavilion which uses Phoenix while I've HP Compaq which uses different Bios (AMI? Award?).

Any help will be greatly appreciated and, if applicable, this first post will be updated for other users.

 

hi honza,

you pm´ed me because of this topic. well maybe i have a solution for you. i once had the tattoo utility. have to search for it on my old laptop hdd. if i find it i can upload it for you.
when you google for the tattoo utility you will find some threads about adding the id of your card to the whitelist.

will have a look at it as soon as i get home tomorrow. am quite busy right now, but i´ll reply as soon as i have some information for you.

you can generally rule out that the card you have received is not broken ?

best



// edit found the hp utility on my drive

pm´ed you the link

 

thank you for PMing me utility. Well, ebay seller rated power seller and with 99,9% positive responses claims that he tried it in his hp 8530p before shipping and it did work. I exchanged a few emails with him and must say that he deserves his reputation (99,9% positive). IMHO it's working fine it's just not on HP's whitelist for use with HP 8510p.
I'll try the utility and report back.
Have a nice day!

 

sorry for bumping this thread, however it really seems that whitelist mod is necessary. I'll report as soon as there is any progress.

 

Hi everyone,
I'm back and unfortunately with bad news. Upgrading 8510p with ATi HD3650 or nvidia Quadro 770M is a no-go. Neither of the cards is on HP 8510p / 8510w is working (8510p and 8510w uses same motherboard and thus same BIOS with same whitelist). Simply said: If you've HP 8510p or 8510w and want to upgrade you can only upgrade to HD2600 or to FireGL V5600 as long as it is both on the whitelist. Nothing else will work.

I successfully modified my BIOS - replaced on my whitelist ATI Mobility FireGL V5600 with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650. As you can see there is only 1byte different:

BIOS notation little endian: 021081953C10DF30

BIOS notation little endian: 021081953C10C530

BIOS notation little endian: 021091953C10E730

BIOS notation little endian: DE105C06 3C10E730

You can try to search for 3C10DF30 ~ FireGL V5600 (for some reason you can't find whole string - 021081953C10DF30, but it doesn't really matter - first 4 characters are same) you'll get following result:


I'm done here probably power supply problems occurred and I was unable to run HD3650 anyway (even modifying HP whitelist).

I was unable to "upgrade" my 8510p with modified BIOS usual way (windows utility or even freedos utility) I always had to do it as BIOS recovery procedure:
1) copy ONLY your *.bin file to a floppy (it's best if it doesn't have bad sectors :-D)
2) turn off your laptop
3) insert floppy into your USB floppy drive, plug USB floppy to your laptop
4) hold all four arrow keys (up, down, left, right) and start laptop
5) wait till your floppy drive starts doing something, then you can release arrow keys
6) sit and watch, after a while numlock LED stops blinking and laptop will be rebooted automatically (it takes less than 2 minutes)

if you're lucky you're booting your OS if not just copy to a floppy untouched *.bin file from HP website (step 1) and proceed with step 2 and so on...

Here are some BIOSes if some is willing to continue "research":
modded BIOS:

Code:

http://rapidshare.com/files/274814305/68MVD_modified_whitelist-replaced_FireGL_V5600_with_HD3650.zip.html

mirrors:

Code:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/e4gdld
http://uloz.to/2412600/68mvd-modified-whitelist-replaced-firegl-v5600-with-hd3650.zip

untouched BIOS:

mirrors:

Code:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/rmqjmc
http://uloz.to/2412599/68mvd-untouched-can-be-used-for-recovery.zip

 

have you used the motherboard id for the bios modification as you have stated above ?

because if you did , you might have mixed up the motherboard id´s.

you have copied these lines from ati´s driver. did you use the motherboard id´s for the fx 770m and the hd3650m from the entries in the drivers you have posted ?

info on the device id´s :
VEN_1002 is the vendor of the ati graphics cards ( ATI)
VEN_10DE is the vendor of the quadro fx770m ( Nvidia)
DEV_9581 is the device id for the hd 2600 m and the firegl v5600 m ( it´s the same card !!)
DEV_9591 is the device id for the hd 3650
DEV_065C is the device id for the Quadro FX 770M
SUBSYS_ 30C5103C is the motherboard id for the 8510 P ( 30c5) and 103c is the vendor of the notebook (HP)
SUBSYS_ 30DF103C is the motherboard id for the 8510 w ( 30DF)

-30c5 motherboard id for 8510p

-30df motherboard id for 8510w

- 30e7 ?? the id of the 8530p ?

- same here 30e7 ? motherboard id of the 8530p ?


if you have tried the motherboard id from the 8530p to add the card to the whitelist, it might have been the mistake. if you did use this id ( 30E7) for both cards you have tried ( hd 3650 and fx 770m) it won´t be working, since the motherboard id of your 8510p is still 30c5.



hope this will help you.

 

I think the failure to upgrade comes from the 1byte difference. Have you tried removing that extra but deleting something elsewhere?

 

hmm, something just came to my mind... if i´m correct you will definatly have no joy upgrading your graphics card.

have been working too much lately, so it must have slipped my mind... the bios for 8510p and w seems to have an integrated video bios for the possible cards hd2600(fgl v5600) and the quadrofx 570m. from time to time hp released a bios that altered the clocking behavior of the hd 2600.

so adding the cards id to the whitelist, as it is done with wireless modules will probably not work anyway, since you would have to alter the videobios also.

so well seems you are right. it´s likely to be a no go to install any other graphics cards than the ones that are "approved" by hp. and i guess they won´t include video bioses for other graphics cards.

 

Do p and w have totaly same BIOS?

 

Well this seller lists the 770m as being compatible with the 8510 series, in big bold red letters no less.

I have a few of these 770m's (from a different seller) running in 8530w's. So if you don't want to do any more with it you can always sell the card to me?

 

not only they use same BIOS it's even exactly same motherboard. HP 8510p and 8510w uses same motherboard.

 

I already returned it back to Ebay seller who accepted my return (thank you Ron).
Once again - HP 8510p and 8510w uses same motherboard => same BIOS => same whitelist, it's older model than 8530p/w => 770M is not included in whitelist (IMHO on purpose).
8530p and 8530w uses same motherboard => same BIOS => same whitelist so that's reason why it works in 8530p.

 

well there goes that upgrade ! Thanks for all the work .

 

But isn't this .bin bios file encrypted?

 

well it is possible, do you know how to decrypt it?

 

Hi everyone. Gone a little quiet here. I was really hoping to give my >2 year old laptop a last upgrade before having to look for a new model. To be honest it runs pretty well in Windows doing desktop stuff, so have no real need for an upgrade except for the odd bit of gaming I (used) to do. These days the graphics card really doesnt cut it, even with lowering settings and not even the very latest games.

I see people have had no luck in upgrading the 8510p except for the Quadro card from the 8510w. I've been looking round at ebay "MXM II Graphics Card Nvidia Quadro FX 770M 512MB DDR3" type cards and do see the sellers saying things like (this was a sellers answer to me on compatibility):

Hi my friend,
We have customers said they used HP 8510p and upgraded successfully. But we can not 100% guaranty it must work because we don?t have this model for a test.

Cheers!
Sean

I wonder who these 8510p customers have been!? Am loath to purchase a ~USD200 card to find it's not going to work - even if I can send it back.

Has anyone here ever heard of a successful upgrade to anything?

 

no I didn't and I'm in exactly same position - last upgrade before notebook change. However it doesn't seems good... I also wrote Sean and it seams it's his copy/paste answer. My experience - it's not going to work. We need whitelist mod, we need it bad. I tried to do it, but I failed. If any1 is willing to do it for me I'll pay him via Paypal.

 

Hi ,

I've been following this thread for some time now and have been trying to get the mxm upgrade to the quadro 770m , with no luck thou... Any luck on your side ? Today i asked a friend, who works at hp, to try to reach the actual bios writers and try to get a rom file without the whitelist.

Regards and happy and unrestricted upgrading

 

hi,
i did the same (mistake?) and ordered this expensive card. i have the hp 8510w, which i now think will not work with this card. it even doesnt realy fit on the mainboard (there is an IC between the gfx-card and the mainboard).

if there is anyone who could make it work please tell and write a tutorial, thanks

 

This is interesting, since these card are very sensitive to being mounted correctly, even in the proper 8530w. eg. I had a preproduction heatsink, and it was only just touching one of the minor components on the card, and so it wouldn't boot. I put a bit of captan tape over the component and it works fine.

 

There is no space for tape left! I will make a picture of it later this day. I'm also waiting for another replacement mainboard for 8510W from ebay. Perhaps there are different revisions out there. I will keep you informed. By the way its the same card many others bought:

ebay #: 170365099109

 

But on the GPUz screenie on that listing, it says the "subvendor" is Quanta, it should say "HP" if you are expecting it to work in an HP, no?

 

not necessarily ...

 

that would be a breakthrough development
I wish you (and me ) good luck

 

I'm just going off reports I've seen on mxm-upgrade.com where posters have said HP laptops pretty much require HP MXM cards. Other manufacturers don't seem so fussy.

 

well that's bad news however we need BIOS mod anyway... hey wait you've 8530p right? I guess 770M should work for you out of the box...

 

Yeah it does work for me, I have 5 of those cards here, and some of the ATi V5700's too. But they are sensitive to being mounted correctly as I noted above. So I thought I'd throw that out there.

I'm also interested in this topic for when the time comes to upgrade the 8530w GPU beyond stock.

 

oh.. yes that's a good point..

 

hello all,

I would like to say that 8510 series' bios only has 'video bios' integrated for nv fx570m and amd v5600 card. if you install a new fx770m , the computer will not boot up since there's no video bios supported the 770m during posting up.
So the only way you run 770m on 8510 is that modiy your 8510 bios and add video bios of 770 into it, which may could be obtained from 8530 bios.

by the way, the hardware is exactly the same for amd 2600 and v5600 card.

 

Has anyone tried the FGL v5700 from the 8530w?

In other news, I tried a FGL v5725 from a 8730w in a 8530w and it worked, although it showed up as the non FGL version - HD3670. 8730W supports mxm type3 for its nvidia card options, but the fgl V5725 option is type2.

The HP mobo tattoo that causes these cards to become FGL is located in the BIOS flash area (like serial number etc), and maybe it doesn't support unknown cards. But the card works fine as a HD3670.

 

any updates?

 

Really , would like to upgrade vid card , done everything else

 

as far as I know it's still not possible. However I started to think about LCD screen upgrade to WUXGA. Any1 with some experience?

 

I'd like to hear that too. Isn't WUXGA just too much for 15,4"?

I think schoko (or someone else, sry if it isn't you schoko!) mentioned that the WUXGA screen is worse - compared to WSXGA(???). Check this before ordering.

Any ideas if this can be done at home? How much would it cost? I assume it will void warranty, right? (just to make sure)

 

most cfl screens about wsxga+ require a 40 pin instead of 30 pin connector. it can be modded pretty easily, because i think the connection to the motherboard is 40 pin on any wuxga capable laptop. I will find the link later.

LED screens are all 40 pin at least i think... but your cable could still have some wires left out cause the manufacturers are stupid

As far as quality, thats a pretty silly thing to talk about. You can buy almost whatever screen brand/model you want.

 

Also on the MXM upgrading front, does anyone have a 3870 they could try? perhaps it could be flashed to a more workable vbios...

 

Hi!
I've read in this forum in another thread about bios-mod. Could the bios-mod (without whitelist; CLICK) be the solution for adding a HD3650?
best regards
mice183

 

The whitelist they removed is for wifi/wwan cards, not gpu's sadly

 

Bad, just bad. Thank you for this information!