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    *HP EliteBook 8730w Owners Lounge*

    Discussion in 'HP Business Class Notebooks' started by darkmax, Nov 17, 2008.

  1. 83bj60

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    I got to sleep for a while, worked all night, just check the DC upgrade thread I posted a while ago, should find all the answers you need there :)

    Sent from my SGH-I317M using Tapatalk 2
     
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    Please can someone tell me that is it also neccesary to cool the signed parts (picture attached)? If so what do you recommend as it seems they dont line up perfectly with the surface of the heatsink.Thanks!
     

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    Yes! Use that heat conductive 'foam tape'
     
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    Beside the signed component on the picture (+GPU and memory chips), is there anything that needs cooling? Thank you.
     
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    If you mean besides the CPU and the memory chips, no... I was looking at some pictures from when I took one of my donor 8730ws apart and see no other places where foam heat tapes are used... Unfortunately I have no pictures of a heat sink with the tape installed.

    Since the heat sink covers the whole surface of the card, I don't see any harm using more foam tape if you can as it's compressible, as long as it doesn't interfere with GPU and memory heat sink contact.
     
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    I'm wondering if any 8730 owner with an Nvidia 3700M installed could do a VBIOS dump? It would help a great deal with an attempt to install the 3700M in the HP Dragon.

    Thanks!
     
  7. triturbo

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    Sadly, I'm selling my 8730w DC. It's in the marketplace if anyone is interested.
     
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    2 things:
    1- maybe you should indicate where that 'marketplace' is considering how expensive shipping has become in the past few years...
    2- have you actually found a worthy successor? Or are in you in downsizing mode :D
     
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    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    NBR's marketplace.

    For me the 8740w DC is more than worthy, so this would be my machine for some time to come :)
     
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    83bj60 Notebook Evangelist

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    Absolutely! If I had been able to resolve the "Replace the main battery pack" issue that won't let me boot the machine no matter what new battery I install unless I remove it and boot on that AC adapter first and the excessive magenta of the DC2 screen that HP Mobile Display Assistant won't let me white balance manually like it does on the 8730w, that would have been my choice as well.

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    DISABLING INTEL AMT

    Would someone by chance have tools to disabled Intel's AMT from the 8730w (or 8740w)?

    Sources about the issue:
    https://mattermedia.com/blog/disabling-intel-amt/
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/29/intel_management_engine_can_be_disabled/
    http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/08/disabling-intel-me.html

    Looks like a simple BIOS switch exists, but I have no experience with BIOS modding whatsoever.
    I know there is more than one way to disable it fully. From flashing the AMT chip on the motheboard to tweaking the BIOS.

    I realize not all care about this, so please don't feel judged if you don't!

    Moreover, does anyone here have whitelist-removed BIOS for 8730w/8740w? I want to use a different wifi module or usb but can't because of the whitelist.

    If someone could make a BIOS version for either of these laptops that would have the wifi whitelist removed and Intel AMT fully disabled, it would definitely make these the best laptops of them all... I would even love to add financially for such work with 50$ or so (hey, it's big for me!).
     
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    I want to take a couple 8730w's and equip them with T9900 processors as well as 1920*1200 WUXGA screens (or perhaps the Dreamcolor versions). My question is: Which parts do I need to exchange/ upgrade in the following case:

    One of my 8730w's only has a T9600 with a 1680*1050 screen (HP product: FN034UT#ABA). Do I only need to replace the following parts in order to get the upgraded hardware running?

    • Heat sink: Upgrade from 494012-001 to 494011-001
    • Motherboard: Upgrade to 493980-001. Are there different versions of the the motherboard that would not be compatible? Do I understand correctly that the 493980-001 motherboard always includes the Nvidia Quadro FX 2700M graphics card?

    Thanks a lot for any advice in advance!
     
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    IIRC, someone from HP had said many moons ago when the machine was THE laptop to get, that the 493890-001 motherboard was required for the hungrier video card and Dreamcolor screen, so upgrading video card and screen wasn't recommended on the standard model motherboard. You do need the nVidia dual pipe heatsink for sure for the FX2700M. With a T9800 CPU and the FX2700M temps are quite reasonable. Unless the T9900 is much different in power output, I wouldn't worry, this laptop doesn't get as hot as the DC equipped 8740w ;-)

    The 493890-001 motherboard I purchased for $20 last year when the power MOSFETs blew on my original one during a Google Earth session (Man, I hate poor coding!) was bare except for the PC card blank insert.

    Do keep in mind that this combo is much more power hungry than the lower end model. That's what I liked about the laptop I gave my son last fall - It lasted much longer on battery than mine.

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    @83bj60 Thanks for your input. Yes, the bigger heat sink is required with any processor including or above T9700. However, I am still unsure if there are is a different version of the motherboard besides# 493980-001. If so, what is the HP spare part#?

    Are there any other parts besides the motherboard and heatsink that need to be exchanged to get a WUXGA or dreamcolor screen working?
     
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    Good question - I looked it up in the Maintenance and Service Guide and apparently, the other motherboard is for the quad core processor, 501508-001. So as long as you're not using a quad core processor, you're good to go with your existing motherboard. I stand corrected :)

    If you stay with a WUXGA screen, no other parts are necessary, but for the DC screen conversion you will need the ambient light sensor 495029-001, which is different from the inverter 494001-001, and the 495607-001 display cable, which is different from the standard 494005-001 cable.

    Be aware that there are quite a lot of FAKE DC screen out there - they are advertised as DC screens but are actually questionable 'compatibles'. I would not take a chance with one, it's been tried before with disastrous result (blown motherboard).

    For more part number info check the "HP EliteBook 8730w Mobile Workstation Maintenance and Service Guide", HP publication part number 485066-001.
     
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    Thank you again, 83bj60. I had seen this guide some years ago already but completely forgot about it.

    Concerning the fake DC screens, I figure the best ones would be the used ones that include the original HP frame still. I actually did not see many 8730w dreamcolor displays for sale at all. Are you referring to ebay offers from China?

    And last but not least I need to ask this again: Does the motherboard include the graphics card or are they separate? If so, I would have to buy a Quadro FX 2700M as well.
     
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    Indeed - I always make sure to ask for pictures and part numbers. I've had a fake sent to me by an online store here in Canada and promptly returned it. There are simply no substitutes for these screens. The motherboard does NOT include the video card. To get authentic parts your best bet would be to get parted out components.

    Good luck finding parts, especially DC related ones - because they've become EXTREMELY rare. I have a search going on and have seen nothing in ages, at least nothing at a reasonable price. Unless you consider more than $200 reasonable for a used DC screen (best deal in ages, other sellers are asking more than $1,000), cables and ambient light sensors are quite rare as well.

    Do you have access to an unpublished parts source? These kind of components sometimes end up showing up as NOS surplus...
     
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    Ok, so it is the motherboard and graphic card that need to be replaced.

    Concerning the dream color displays, I have also hardly found them on ebay each time I checked over the past few years. However, if they require additional parts (display cable & light sensor) on top of what is required for the regular WUXGA screens, I probably will not change them and just use regular WUXGA.

    Interestingly, it also appears that there are different manufacturers of the WUXGA screen. My SF586UP#ABA has a "LG LP171WU3-TLB, whereas my NN268EA has a "Samsung 170CT02-002. However, the Samsung is a lot brighter. What is up with that?
     
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    The motherboard, only if you intend to upgrade to a quad core processor!

    Replacing the standard backlit screen is a no-brainer ;)

    No idea! Different screens, different manufacturers, different quality ;) Heck even the DC screens are completely different one version from the next...



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    That's great if the motherboard does not need to be replaced for a T9900! Only a new graphic card (perhaps $40 or so) and a new heat sink sounds pretty good of a deal if a cheap WUXGA can be found.

    I really like the 8730w's. They are very stable and easy to maintain. But that is how it should be with a notebook that originally cost 2-3k just a few years ago.
     
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    I wouldn't say they are a dime a dozen but they are definitely much more common and much cheaper as well.

    Actually I find the 8730w to be even nicer than the 8740w, except for the speed. The keyboard is great, not so the one on the 8740w. The fan and radiator is much easier to clean on the 8730w as well, you practically have to dismantle half of the machine to access the 8740w's. The fact it burns through batteries compared to the 8730w is not so great either. And its USB3.0 native implementation is quite poor (I get better results with an add-on card). Finally, its docking station can't drive older Dual link DVI like the 8730w's does.

    Hardware wise, what I don't like about the 8710, 30 and 40 is the really cheap trackpad (button covers come off within a year, surface gets worn out after 2) and the frankly unusable 'touchstyk' which doesn't come nearly as close to the responsiveness and ease of use of the the original Lenovo trackpoint. I would have gotten the flagship Lenovo machine at the time if it hadn't been for the DreamColor screen of the 8730w, which I ended up having to replace replace three times over 10 years ;-) And let's not forget my having to replace the motherboard on the 8730w once, the WiFi card and the hard drive... Compare that to my 12 year old Toshiba P205 consumer grade laptop on which I only had to replace the cheap plastic case and keyboard over its 12 years... Considering how hard my wife is with it (I've stopped counting the number of times she spilled coffee or wine on it ;-) , it's proven to be in fact more reliable than the 'military grade' 8730w ;-)
     
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    Hello guys, it's me again :D

    This time I have an unusual question -

    Is the 8730w (with 3700m) capable of using these monitors?:
    1. 1920x1200 @75hz ?
    2. 1920x1200 @60hz, but the display is 10bit (is the 3700m even capable of reproducing that?)

    What connectors would I need? Are the the connections, like HDMI, in the 8730w good enough (not old enough) to support 10bit colors of these higher resolutions with higher frequencies??

    Thanks for any insights! I want to set up a new monitor to connect from this workstation and I'm worried whether it'd even support them.
     
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    Here it seems to suggest everything since fx 580 in quadro line supports 10bit color displays? http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2426/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xNTI5NTM5MDUzL3NpZC9mVUs3N2dsOUJfSXBuUkRDYXhSdkIyd1RsTG43RlQ3NHRwT2pYaTR0WHNKaVRWZVlDa2hTX1gzM05TYUdtb2lzX1YwdXZBNGpjamdXUnZoNE94ZTVsdTBuMVlXR3hZM1FMOEtQQyU3RVlPS0E1andxNW5HZUNPM3dZdyUyMSUyMQ==
    If that's true, does it hold true to 8730w as well? Does the 8730w have the necessary external connectors to do that?
    Is the HDMI version of 8730w enough for 1920x1200@60hz@10bit ? Is it enough for 75hz?
     
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    Not sure about the 10 bit thing, but I'm happily running a 2660x1600 NEC PA301 from the docking station (required) and AFAIK it's a 10 bit panel.

    Running screens directly? Too many limitations from the existing ports (VGA andHDMI)

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    How do you know it's running at 10bit for you?
     
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    Let me check... How would I find out?

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    Ok so I downloaded the NEC 10 bit colir depth demo application and it requires display port, which the 8730w docking station doesn't provide. "DVI will not natively support 30 bit deep color" says nVidia https://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/40049/TB-04701-001_v02_new.pdfhere

    In other words 10 bit is not possible with the 8730w unless you can find a Display Port adapter for it!

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    Shouldn't it support HDMI connections as well?
    Sorry, but I don't know how to check 10bit colors/30bit displays myself. Really curious.

    I want to buy a 10bit display but it'd be really pointless for me if it wouldn't display 10bit colors using my 8730w.

    Really need to know this! As far as I know, 3700m should support 10bit. I'm just not sure if the connection (HDMI, VGA or DVI) in 8730w or its dock would be enough for 10bit.

    Hope someone could clarify this.
     
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  29. triturbo

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    The 8730w's Quick Specs say that it has HDMI 1.3 so it should support up to 2560x1600 @60Hz 10bit. In theory if you get active HDMI to DP, it would do. Maybe even passive would do. Can't tell really, the first sentence is by HP themselves, so you can base your guesses on it. Would be curious if the NEC test runs over HDMI, but then there aren't many 10bit monitors with HDMI 1.3, if any.
     
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    HDMI is backwards compatible, so no worries! You can connect a HDMI 999.999 to your HDMI 1.3 computer and it will work fine if the resolution/frequency/colors are not above 1.3.

    It seems 10bit should be no problem! It would be really nice if you could test if 83bj60 could test if 10bit really works for him by connecting a 1.3+ HDMI cable straight from 8730w to his 10bit display and running some kind of a test.

    Or triturbo, since you too seem to have a 10bit display, please? :)
     
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    Well I tried the NEC utility on my PA301W connected through DVI-D using the old docking station and see no banding at all rumning the test... Hmmm! Seems to indicate it's running 10bit...

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    I just ran the test anyway using the docking station and it seems successful...

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    The NEC PA301W doesn't have an HDMI port... And the NEC test says if there's no 10 bit the app closes after showing banding in the left window. Well it doesn't :)

    NEC PA301W 10 bit Color Test.png

    Maybe the fact we're going through the docking station makes a difference? Anyway that screen is the best I've ever had and works fantastic with pictures and printing as well, no aggravations printing anymore :)

    The best thing is I got TWO of them, one at home and one at my mothers (I try to stay with her a couple of days every week, she's 92 :) ) and I got them both for a pittance from a software engineer who switched to 8K ;)

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    The NEC app would not run if you are 8bit or lower.

    Sorry I can't be of help. My display has DP and DVI only and I don't have HDMI to DP cable, or I would have tested it. Anyway I sold my 8730w DC recently, so it's only the 8740w now and it drives the display perfectly through DP.
     
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    Great to know - it would seem to confirm that what I'm experiencing is not a fluke and what I read from Tomilsav Matic at linustetchtips.com, who says "Up to 48 bits per pixel are supported in dual link DVI, and is optional. If a mode greater than 24 bits per pixel is desired, the least significant bits are sent on the second link. 24 bits is 8 bit color (rgb-3x8=24)"

    Following up on nVidia, the company indicates here that [professional applications] "use OpenGL 10-bit per color buffers which require an NVIDIA Quadro GPU with DisplayPort connector. A small number of monitors support 10-bit per color with Quadro graphics cards over DVI. (bold characters mine)", of which the NEC PA301W would presumably be one.

    In other words, the Quadro FX 2700m and 3700m are indeed 10 bit capable at least in OpenGL and over DisplayPort and, with some hardware, on DVI-D as well.

    Indeed, I don't own an HDMI to DisplayPort adapter which would be required to test the HDMI output to my panel. So, no idea whether the HDMI port on the 8730w has the 10 bit ability, never mind the issues you may be facing with an HDMI to DisplayPort adapter, which would probably need to be of the active type, which are not always very reliable because especially since UBS ports can be an issue because of insufficient power or operating system power management.

    I believe your best bet in any case would be to acquire a docking station - I couldn't live without mine, that's for sure, but it's got VGA and Dual Link DVI only. The 8740w docking station, OTOH, although it has physical Dual Link DVI, is only Single Link internally (damn beancounters :mad: ) and only works well through DisplayPort.

    Man! :eek: I'm disappointed you did :(. I'd be like selling my old Toyota Landcruiser. I'd ever do that ;-) But indeed the 8740w works perfectly for that. It's just that pesky DC2 magenta color balance issue, and not being able to find a battery that the machine can boot off of. Thanks for the link, BTW :vbthumbsup:
     
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    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    I'm not particularly happy about it either, but it was just sitting there, rarely seeing usage, so it's better someone to enjoy it. Still can't get my head around, why it was spot-on and the DC2s were magenta. I have a theory, but it wont change anything, so yeah, I hope someone helps us with fixing it. Anyway, got carried a bit. I got not a bad amount of money off it, so it's all good.
     
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    Thank you both for discussing his!

    I would also like to ask if you'd know - if I removed the dvdrw from my 8730w and replaced it with a HDD caddy - would it have SATA2 speeds? Or some kind of other interface and speed? Really curious as I'd like to use two SSDs on this machine.
     
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    Yes, it would.
     
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    Speaking of replacing the optical drive - anyone know whether it can be put in an eSATA enclosure and used as a bootable device?

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    I think it can on 8730w and can't (boot eSATA) on 8740w. The second is certain, the former - check your BIOS. If there's an eSATA boot option and/or there's eSATA in the boot priority list, then you are all set, just make sure to get that eSATA option all the way up, or keep pressing F9 while booting to get the boot menu up.
     
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    Does anyone know if a RADEON HD7600A is 2.1 HE or not? I've been told it was but have a difficult time believing it.
     
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    Ok then a different question...... does *anyone* have an FX 3700M working correctly with current Nvidia drivers?I get constant black screens *but* under Linux I have no problems so long as I use the Noveau (open source) drivers.....problem is they don't perform nearly as well (The card also works fine in Windows 10 until I install an Nvidia driver)
     
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    What do you consider 'current Nvidia drivers'? There haven't been any official driver updates for this card for ages, so basically you're on your own if you use generic ones.

    I hope to have some free time during the holidays to test a few on my fx3700m equipped 8730w running Windows 7 and see what gives, as I'm increasingly facing issues with Flash (the most abominable software created) and basically every browser based video implementation (whereas there are no issues whatsoever with media player classic or any other non-browser based video player)

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    OK I guess what I mean .....is there any version, old or new.......... of the official Nvidia drivers I can use and not get constant black screens

    Edit: I installed Windows 7 and downloaded HP Nvidia driver from that era (259.53 I think) and still get a black screen whenever I open a browser ......... considering both the OS and the driver are from that era I have to conclude this is a hardware issue in spite of it running fine until the driver get's installed. To test my theory I'm going to bake the card and thoroughly clean (again) the machine.
     
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    ok turning off acceleration in the browser stabilizes it...... i'm ashamed it took me this long to figure out
     
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    Why am I not surprised... Like I said previously anything flash based is a constant source of pain on this laptop with Firefox. I've switched to Otter Browser for Facebook for now and it's much faster but am considering separate portable browser versions for Facebook and YouTube; hardware acceleration in browsers has never worked reliably for me neither.

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    While I'm pretty close to having this one working right I'm curious .....Is there a list of mxm 2.1 HE cards anywhere? It couldn't have been a very long list.....
     
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    The BIOS battery in one of my 8730w's gave up. Do I understand correctly that the CR2032's in this notebook are not rechargeable and just regular lithium batteries?
     
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    What thermal paste would you recommend for a T9800/T9900 processor in this notebook? I know it is a very basic question but I am asking anyways as I am not experienced with this.
     
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    Your best bet is Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.
     
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