*HP EliteBook 8740w Owners Lounge - PART 1*

Yes, it's gonna be a 2GB GDDR5 Fermi based Quadro card.

 

Fantastic news! Hope this actually happens.

I wish that HP would have allowed me to keep my order open.

 

Good News! I just emailed my rep and confirmed the same and also honor the discount that he promised. More like i will get it close to half price if i play my cards right

 

Great link, and sorry to sideline your question, but do you or anyone else know from the HP part number (595708-001) who manufactures the new DC2 panel and what part number it is?

For those interested you can download the maintenance manual right here, at first glance it looks like installing a DC2 in an 8730w would be a bear, you'd have to replace the cable, the webcam module and light sensor, and that's not counting possibly replacing the video card as well and maybe even the top cover and bezel!... Hmmm!

 

Never mind, it's the LG VG322AV. It's listed here for $834.50, but that's an Apple reseller so I wouldn't count on the price being realistic.

 

Holy Crap! Can't believe that date. Thanx much for keeping on top of it and filling us in.

 

I'm more curious of the Fermi workstation card. I'd also like to see GPU-Z screenshots for the ATI FirePro M7820 and M5800 (8540w).

 

Not much to see on the FirePro M7820, as GPU-Z still doesn't recognize it. However, the few things it manages to identify (frequencies, etc...) are identical to the Mobility HD 5870.

 

My rep (finally) confirmed the source of the delay as the Dreamcolor display. He also confirms availability on the 3rd week of June.

 

Hi folks,

I got a new deal that looks good:

i7 940XM
M7820
WUXGA
4GB 2D
500GB 7.2k RPM...

The price is Rs 155000/- (3444$).The price can be further reduced by 200$ according to my rep.He will confirm it tomorrow, And then I want to pull the trigger.How about it?

 

Is that 940XM a typo, or can you order that now?

 

Currently on the US site, you can only select between the 720 and 820. To my knowledge, the 940 isn't even released yet and the 8740w currently does not offer the 920. Please re-check your quote and let us know if they are now offering the 920.

 

In India,both 920 and 940 are order-able.

I dont know if 940XM is available.But I do know that my quote has it in it
940XM : WZ473AV

HP India gets its systems assembled in Singapore; so,perhaps, 920 is available here.
Its not a typo.

 

Just what we need: another rare component to wait for, along with our DC2.

 

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I think I already have a good deal.M6500(i7 720 QM,M7740,WXGA,160 GB HDD) costs the same 150000 Indian Rupees.

Nice Ain't it?

For people with the machines:

Does it throttle when plugged in?

Will 200W power Adapter be sufficient with 940XM ? I don't think so.Should I order the 230W one?

 

So it shows 700MHz for core and shader processor and 1000MHz GDDR5 for memory? What else does it show? Do you think you could post up a screen shot anyways? Thanks

 

To answer the previous question I confirm than the M7820 and the 5870M are nearly the same. Here you are a website on this topic: Elitebook 8740w’s ATI FirePro M7820’s confirmed relation to Mobility Radeon 5870 – HP Fansite
And for the fermi nVIDIA QUADRO 5000M ( I guess the QUATRO FX 5900M !!! do you imagine the price!! HP Parts Store - HP Computer Parts - HP Printer Parts - Compaq Parts )
I have a bad news the GTX 480M don't seem so powerful than that. Yesterday, I saw that the new gtx 480M offering up 897 gigaflops but i return on nvidia website today and oddly it offer only 598 gigaflops. So this card will be less powerful than the quadro FX 3800M (648 gigaflops) and of course the ati 5870M (1120 gigaflops but it's another architecture). We must see the benchmark for confirm that but how disappointing this new fermi GPU!!!
It remains only to hope that the FX 5900M is much better mayby 512 sp than the gtx 480m (we can always dream) or this one will be less powerful that the previous FX 3800M.
If somebody have some informations about this new GPU for the 8740w (avaibility power, price,...) because it seem increasingly alarming.

 

Again, Gflops aren't a great way to measure performance, especially when comparing ATI to nVidia (just like comparing shader count). Fermi will be more powerful than the current FX 3800M and should beat out the HD 5870 by a decent margin. The 256-bit GDDR5 and high nVidia shader count should definitely give it advantage over a 128-bit GDDR3 or 256-bit GDDR3 bus.

 

I agree with you that the Gflops aren't a good mesure but i think the bandwidth either. It is more a marketing argument ( 2 GB of GDDR5). For information the bandwidth of the 480M is 76.8 GB/s and ofr 5870M 64 GB/s (20% less) but i make another calcul with the GFLOP about the mobile and desktop version: the ati 5870 offer 2720GFLOPS and the 5870M offer 1120GFLOPS so it represent about 41.1%. For nvidia gtx 480 has1344.96GFLOPS and the gtx 480m 598.4GFLOPS it's represent 44.5%. So finally the GTX 480M will beat the 5870M of 13%. It is less than I expected for a price of 800$ while the 4870M cost about 400$. You have all the prices here : Clevo x7200
And It should be remembered than the ati has a TDP of 60W and the GTX 480M 100W. It also important for a laptop. And if you would like more power I guess it possible to overlock the 5870M more easily than the nvidia with 100W

 

Good thoughts here.

Maybe, maybe not. While TDP does play a role there's other factors. Each chip made is somewhat unique and will have it's own overclocking limits. By that I mean, two 5870s will not overclock exactly the same. Nor two 480Ms. What's more, the ATI or Nvidia may yield more percent performance increase per mhz increase than the other.

So say a 100Mhz increase on core clock for the Nvidia could yield 15% more performance. While the same 100Mhz on the ATI could only yield 5%.

It could also be that the Nvidia doesn't raise temps at that 100Mhz but the ATI does by perhaps ~2 degrees. Reason being, the 100mhz may require an extra 5 watts on the ATI which would represent an 8% increase in TDP. While the same 100Mhz may also require an extra 5 watts for the Nvidia but that would only represent a 5% increase in TDP. And since TDP and heat output have a semi-linear relationship, it may turn out that the Nvidia has the better overclockability.

But this could be off a bit. Depends on implementation. Especially the thermal management system.

 

Yes, it very difficult to say wich GPU has the best ability for the overclocking. It depend also of the kind of laptop. In fact when I said that I thought especially about the pro version of fermi the FX 5900M because for the last generation the 285M has 75 TDP and the FX 3800M has 100W TDP. So i believe that will be impossible for nvidia to rise the TDP above 100W!!! So unhappy I think that the pro and other version will be nearly the same except for the price!!! Have you already see the price of these PRO GPU in the HP parts store : HP Parts Store - HP Computer Parts - HP Printer Parts - Compaq Parts and you look for the 596061-001; 596062-001; 596063-001; 596064-001 for this last there isn't any price. It's disturbing

 

Agreed. And yes, it is disturbing.

 

Speculations will remain as such till they are shattered by real-life tests. As was wisely said: you can't compare GFLOP's between the 2; can't compare the advertised TDP as well (a 100W 480M might draw less power than the 60W 5870M even @max load). You can't even compare the possible heat, 480M might even run considerably cooler than the 5870M. But even the temp sensors themselves are calibrated differently by Red's and Green's.
In addition, we still have no clue about the cooling system that Clevo used in X7200.
So, quite frankly, we got nothing yet.
We will, however get some more solid info in exactly 4 days from now.

 

My Configuration Status shows nothing has happened to my order beyond being given to the warehouse. It is supposed to Ship on June 1st, but with the holiday weekend, things are looking doubtful. Does the Config Status actually mean anything?

 

...it is assembled in and shipped from China. USA's Memorial Day means nothing to them.

 

Moreover their Config Status really doesn't mean anything.
Mine shows 24th of May as the shipping day and 28th as the estimated delivery. I'll be lucky if it actually ships before 1st of July, hehe.

 

OK, I guess I'll keep my hopes pinned on my June 3 delivery through the weekend. Can you tell by my userbars that I'm a little obsessed with my theoretical laptop?

 

The Envy 15 I bought was also made in China (Shanghai). Once assembly was completed it took a day to be picked up from the factory. It made its first stop in Anchorage AK to clear customs. This can take a day or two. Then it shipped into the continental US via FedEx. FWIW, most folks found that it was 4-5 days from the original ship date to receipt it at their door, independent of whether they had normal or two-day shipping.

I have an Envy 17 that is also supposed to ship June1 and I will be pleasantly surprised if I see it by next Fri.

 

Well, mine shipped! FedEx thinks it'll be here by the 3rd. I seriously didn't think it would ship for a week or two longer from what my rep told me. The 'config status' site never changed either - that's a little odd.

Woo, excited!

 

What specs did you order? Especially screen!?

 

Posted earlier in the thread but here are my specs again:

i7-820QM
WUXGA+ display w/ camera
FirePro M7820
4GB 1333 RAM (2D)
250 GB Hard Drive
DVD Burner
Backlit Keyboard
Bluetooth
Intel Ultimate-N 6300 Wireless Card

I know most were looking for the DC screen - sorry, not for me.

Mostly my plans are for using this as a portable lab - many VM's running, etc.

Anyone have any advice on getting the 'consumer' drivers working with the 7820? As mentioned, I didn't get this machine for pro graphics so if I could game on it that would make me happy. I hear you can flash the bios of these cards to get them to recognize as the HD 5870 - I'm leery of doing that though. Thoughts?

Also, instead of paying the outlandish price for the Blu-Ray player as an option from HP what other models are recommended?

 

Congrats on the system!
You don't need to flash the 7820 to 5870. Try playing some games and see if you're ok with the performance.
Flashing the card's vbios is a bit tricky thing, you might endup bricking it or render it unrecognizable by the system BIOS. I'd wait with such experiments.

BTW, could you (when you get the system) put 4 RAM sticks in it and check if the system works fine?

 

Looks like HP fixed the RAM slots issue with a update BIOS.

Someone in the HP forum reported that he was able to run for 2 days without shutting off after the BIOS update.
Re: 8740w shuts off with four memory chips - HP Support Forum

 

That's very good! I suspected that BIOS update might fix the issue since many companies use the same chipset/mobo with 4 RAM slots and it works fine.


@XSRX,
If you still have the system, could you verify that it works fine with 4 sticks and the latest BIOS?

 

this is a good idea and since the 8740w has not that much space for drives it could be the solution for a few users (if it works ):

SSD-equipped optical drives

 

Here you go. Sorry for the delay.



EDIT: just realized it's v0.4.2, yet the last version is v0.4.3. It may change something, as v0.4.3 has some new detection for Mobility 5780 (but still no direct M7820 detection). I'll try this evening (CET).

 

Nice!
Could you run the Furmark stability test for 5min while monitoring the temps with HWmonitor, HWinfo32, etc?

 

My laptop shipped on time, but FedEx says I won't get it until Friday (one day later than estimated from ordering). Oh well, it's probably better if I don't receive my new laptop on my wife's birthday.

 

Hehe, yeah don't ruin her day

Just of the phone with HP, looks like they didn't fix the keyboard option for me yet, and my order's showing the regular keyboard. So in order not to cancel the current order, they'll place another one for the back-lit keyboard and deliver it for free.

 

How easy is it to get the 25% or 28% discount mentioned in the OP's post?

 

+1 - Thanks. Hopefully it will be read in the next version of GPU-Z.

 

Now I "know" why they are having so much trouble with DC2... Because they are busy making this Thing of a Beauty...

Damn it HP!

It has been a while since I posted, how many of you lucky folks have gotten their 8740w? Any sightings of at least the backlit keyboards yet?

From talking with my sale's rep, DC2 has had production issues that caused a lot of delay. Though he wouldn't comment on whether or not ANYONE has gotten DC2 yet... grrr...

 

I'd rather stick with the HP LP2480zx. H-IPS w/ A-TW 10-bit RGBLED over their 10-bit S-IPS. Then again, it's also twice the price and smaller.

 

I've just updated the BIOS. So far I cant say anything about the stability but its less noisy. The fan is running much slower when the batery is beign charged.

So far so good

Would be fantastic if that fix the RAM problem. Im going to south france in friday to do one advert in Pirenees... I dont want to travel with my desktop If the BIOS is ok than I be more than happy!

 

Good to hear that! It was kinda obvious to me that such issues are easily fixed by BIOS updates. The hardware should work properly.

Now for another month of waiting for the DC2 mysterious beast...

 

As we speak my m6500 arrived i7-920; 12gb ram; 1tb; fx 3800m That will be a nice backup or main mobile workstation for 8740w

 

PM sent...anyone else wanting my rep info feel free to PM me.

 

Indeed. Here's what GPU-Z v0.4.3 says:



And here are the temps with 12 minutes of Furmark stability test.

 

the GPU really stays cool

 

Yeah, but remember that ATI has implemented a hardware protection in the 5xxx series against FurMark and OCCT. So I have no idea if this stability test is stressful enough.