How to overclock HP 8530W elitebook?

Get an extreme processor and overclock it with Throttlestop...

 

No the only difference between the DC extreme and normal DC board is the length of the power button. You will have to desolder or cut down the button for it to fit into a DC chassis. You should have gotten the quad core board, its the same deal with the power button, but it has the all important 3rd power supply stage. Otherwise what you ave just ordered is a waste of time, since you will be just turning it into a standard dual core board by modding the power button. You need to keep in mind it isn't about the 45W TDP (quad and DC extreme) so much, its about the massive transient load the quadcore requires over a dual core. The quad CPU can ask for twice as many number of cores to fire up instantly compared to a dual core.

There are more ICs and minor parts missing on the underside of the board too. I don't think just putting on just the extra capacitor (I actually think its an inductor) is going to do anything since the ICs won't be there to drive it.

You don't need photos to see whats missing. You can see the 2 existing power stage components nearby the 3rd stages empty pads on each side of the board (you've already found the top ones). The layouts are basically copy and paste. That will give you more info than a photo.

You may be OK just with the dual code board as is if you undervolt the chip with a wire wrap pin mod. I'd try 1.2V first, then if that doesn't work try 1.15V. I've had about 30% success rate on dual core boards at 1.15V.

Otherwise I have a spare quadcore board, but the HDMI port doesn't work, everything else works ok (but it still won't run a QAVR QX9200 without the vid pin mod to at least 1.2V).

 

Stumo, thank you for your reply!

I didn't even think to look for other differences, however, I hope it fits in my chassis, thanks for warning about the power button length!

 

Ok best to try it and see then. I've only had a quick look at an extreme board, so I guess they could have different parts for the supply. There are still only 2 stages though.

If you do get stuck, and don't need hdmi, then you can have my spare quad board real cheap. It runs my QAVR CPUs at 2.8GHz and 1.2V. That's in the quad chassis though, in a dual chassis it will thermal throttle after about 2 minutes of Intel burn in test.

 

An X9100 may be better than a quad - cooler and still just as fast...

 

Hi there. I am new to the forum and would like to ask some simple questions. I am an owner of Elitebook 8530w FU461EA with 2GB 800MHz additional ram. I have read some of the threads about overclocking the unlocked multiplier cpus but since I have no experience at all with notebook overclocking (I have a lot of experience with PC overclocking) I am not aware what will be a reasonable thing to do. I can see that the prices of QX9200 and X9100 are almost identical and after overclocking of both the quad core is definitely in front compared to performance. But since my laptop is with dual core cooler, mobo, fan, etc, would it be a reasonable thing to buy a quad core since it will be a lot warmer and power hungry than the dual core. X9100 revision E0 should be about 10W warmer than my current cpu - P8600. Overclock to about 3.5-3.8GHz should not be a problem on my opinion even with the stock cooling. Now the cpu runs a bit under 90 degrees Celsius with to say one hour OCCT high priority small data set and Furmark for the video (FireGL V5700) at the same time which runs at about 80 degrees Celsius. I can hear that the turbine goes faster when one of the cores goes above 85 degrees and cools down the situation to about 70 degrees. Will a warmer cpu just affect the loudness of the laptop under load or will the cooler struggle leading to throttling and overheating? I have read that to place quad core cooler a lot of parts have to be changed which on my opinion makes that kind of expenses inappropriate because I can buy a new way faster (and cooler) notebook with the money to be spent and the money if I sell my current one. So my question is, on your opinion what is the best upgrade that I can make (I assume that to change the video for Quadro FX770 I need a new cooler) - a new cpu, or a new video and what will be the overclock potential of the cpu with the current cooler and with the quad core if I decide to spend a bit more money. Thanks a lot in advance and I hope that reading this long post was not a waste of your time.
P.S. I wanted to write some personal messages to the users that obviously have gone through mine dilemma and not bother all of you but I couldn't find that kind of option in your forum.

 

Stuen4y if I was you I'd just go for the X9100. It will slot straight in and will run no problems on your current chassis. You can also change the GPU to the Nvidia without changing the heatsink. There isn't any noticeable difference between the two heatsinks and I interchange them all the time.

Something else you can do is run HWiNFO to change the fan speeds. I find that the 8530w sets the highest fan speed too late. This will give you 2 degrees C cooler as well. Also make sure you use decent thermal paste, I have found that shin etsu is the best, way way better than AS5 that I used to use.

You may also want to get a better AC adapter, 150W should be OK, 120W might be marginal.

Unless you really really need the massive throughput of the quad, its just too much hassle to get working on the dual core chassis.

PS. try using paragraphs next time too .

 

Thanks very much for the fast response. Sorry about the paragraphs, it was a long post and I forgot about the easiness of reading.

I don't use the computer for professional 3D applications, just games, programming, some virtual machines, browsing, some photo editing, etc. I will probably go for the X9100 when I collect enough money for the upgrade since now I added 150W adapter in the list - mine is unfortunately 120W as you suggested and a fast calculation makes at least 100W-110W without overclock with the X9100.

If I can overclock the V5700 60-80MHz on the core I don't need the FX770, because the boost is not that high as the cards tend to be quite old already. To the moment I cannot find an application that works on Windows 7 and overclocks the GPU. I have tried almost everything - Atitool, AtiTrayTools, RivaTuner, MSI Afterburner, AMD GPU Clock Tool, so fat with not success. If you can help with a suggestion for the application I will be grateful. I prefer not to go with flashing new BIOS to the card since the notebook is still in guarantee and I don't have a system to repair probable dead card.

Usually I use MX-2 but have recently bought Tuniq TX3 and will probably go with it. I have disassembled the notebook just once for cleaning but will probably be fine for the change of the cpu. As I said I am not experienced in notebook overclock and moding.

PS. Could you please suggest an appropriate 150W adapter and the part number, I can find only AL192AA. I can find only ridiculous prices for the 150W adapter and most times it even doesn't have the same voltage as mine - 18.5V. Does any 18.5V adapter work fine or do I need an HP one.

 

My 150W is p/n 463954-001. Yep for gaming you should definitely go for the x9100. Sorry I have no idea about the ATi GPU overclocking. Don't forget the 770 has twice the RAM of the ATi, and it can be overclocked too.

I'm a bit concerned that you are getting to 90 degrees with the P8600, that seems kind of high, mind you if you are running stock voltage then I guess its possible. But it doesn't bode well for the X9100 because you are going to have to crank the voltage up real high if you want 3.8GHz. 3.4GHz seems to be the sweet spot from what I've read.

 

That is with the stock voltage 1.11V and as I said furmark stressing the gpu too. Without the furmark it doesn't reach 70 degrees. Moreover, the thermal compound hasn't been changed since purchase back in August 2009.

I know about the double ram and the overclock potential of the FX770 but I will probably go without the extra $200+. The difference is somewhere around 20% or at least from what I have read.

PS. I think that at 3.4GHz the processor will be more the 50% faster than my current, so there is no doubt that I will have a performance bump.

 

I have a HP 8530w with FX 770M and also the V5700.

I overclocked the V5700 with AMDGPUClockTool_v0.9.26.0 until 783 for the engine and 801 for the memory. That's a 30 % overclock.

I can overclock the FX 770M to 720 GPU, 950 Memory and 1800 for the shaders.

I have a X9100 and overclock it until 3,99 GHz with ThrottleStop.

I have the 120 W PSU.

Installation of a Q9200 was not possible with my DualCore model.

 

That sounds amazing. I will try the amd gpu clock tool tonight and will write with the results. I am very happy with the notebook as built quality, battery life, display (mine is 1680x1050 matte too) and don't want to change it but it gets slower and slower on newer games. Change of my cpu and overclock of the vga should be enough for the next couple of years. I am probably ordering a notebook cooler this or next week, so I will enhance the cooling a bit.
PS. Thank you very much for the info for the amd gpu clock version, currently I'm running safely and securely on 810/810 with the same temperatures as before and more than 30% bump in the frames. I'll try for more this night and will post screens with the non clocked and clocked vga.
PPS. Probably the clock will be lower, above 760/800 but I'm still not sure how much because the system restarts at 810/810, probably doe to overheating. When I get the cooler I will probably be able to get much higher clocks. The card doesn't hang even with 850MHz core which should be benchmarkable with good cooling.


So far, the best I can get the V5700 is 796/855 for benching but I haven't tried stability. I bet 783/810 won't be a problem for 24/7.

I had only 3d Mark 2001 on my hdd but will test the rest tonight.

 

Sorry for the new post but I edited the last one too many times. In short - I'm very happy with the overclock potential of my V5700 and everyone should try, because 750/800 should not be a problem for any card, even for 24/7 because the card doesn't get hotter at all until it reaches 780-90MHz on the core.
3DMark Vantage - P1726
P8600@ 2.4GHz, Mobility FireGL V5700 @ 823/900

Validaton

3DMark 06 - 5043
[email protected] Mobility FireGL V5700 810/846

Validation

3DMark 05 - 11162
[email protected], Mobility FireGL V5700 @ 796/846

Validation

3DMark 03 - 14677
[email protected], Mobility FireGL V5700 @ 796/846


3DMark 2001SE - 23858
P8600 @ 2.4GHz, Mobility FireGL V5700 796/855


And for comparison the tests on default clocks of the vga:
Vantage - P1215

Validation

2006 - 3990

Validation

2005 - 8999
Validation

2003 - 11545


2001 - 20717

 

Hi everyone,

I've upgraded a HP Elitebook 8530p to a quad core + FX770M graphics card. I modded the cooling system - you can read about it here. I know, shameless plug - I can post it here, if I have to.

Anyway, here are the temperature results for the quad core + FX 770M at stock: http://jakeonthemove.com/wp-content/uploadedfiles/2011/10/CPU+GPU_18degrees_30min.png

I can overclock the processor to 2.8 GHz and the graphics card to 610/1420/900 stable, with the temperatures still staying under 90 degrees.

If anyone wants to upgrade their 8530, I hope my experience helps.

 

Interesting writeup.

In my case I've done 2 different QAVR Q9200 quads and I VID pin modded them more aggressively than you. So you may find a bit more life in your system yet...

I connected a single long strand of wire wrapped around VID2 and VID3, then continuing down to pin 9. This means that IDA is only 1.2V IIRC and stock max VID is 1.15V and idle VID is 0.95. This gives really good temps.

In any case it still runs fine at 2.8GHz at these lower voltages. Like you I just can't get enough voltage to run at anything over 2.8GHz. The power supply isn't up to the job, this is on the proper quad mobos too.

The same CPUs run fine in my 8730Ws at 3.4GHz and don't need pin modding.

 

@Stumo

Could you elaborate on that? From what I understand, you can hardwire any of the 7 VID pins to either VCC (for a "1" on the table) or VSS (for a "0"), but not between them.

So this pin mod: http://jakeonthemove.com/wp-content/uploadedfiles/2011/10/pinmod_core2quad_qx9300_extreme_q9200.png would give a 1.125V default voltage and 1.25V IDA, however a lot of the voltages in between will be inaccessible (because the motherboard would be unable to switch between 1 and 0 states). Am I right or wrong?

 

You're right and wrong.

You could wire pins together, I'm not sure what would happen, but I'm pretty sure they will pull low if either pin is low.

What I did was tie vid 2 and 3 high to pin 9. It's just a register, there is no real driving going on at the mobo. It's just the CPU telling the mobo what voltage it wants.

So the cpu thinks it requesting a certain vid, and the mobo is reading a modified request. It's all pretty safe electrically.

You just need to make sure all the requested vids are ok when modified.

 

Wait, so you did this:



And it works?

What are your temperatures and can you measure the voltage with Throttlestop or other software?

Thanks!

 

No no no. VID2 and VID3, not pin2/3. To pin9

It was over a year ago. I will have to dig out some notes for more details. And I don't have the qavrs in the 8530 anymore, only a retail q9100

 

Wow, just wow... I completely missed that combination!

With VID 2 and 3 to VCC, the default voltage is 1.1125V, IDA is 1.15V and minimal voltage is 0.95V, correct?

I gotta update my post with this info. Thanks Stumo!

However, I'll leave my processor as it is, since it is stable at 1.0625V at 2.4 GHz AND it needs 1.175 for 2.8 GHz, so if I pin mod it like this, I'll lose those two frequency/voltage combos (and 1.1125V is a few degrees hotter than 1.0625V).

But yeah, this pin mod is actually easier to do - I would've probably done it if I found it back then.

Anyway, thanks for your input!

 

I've had a chance to check my notes and yes thats the combo I ended up using long term (well over a year 24/7 as my HTPC).

Once ThrottleStop came out much more recently, I dabbled in a bit of OC and started just using VID3 tied to pin9, that is really easy to hook up. That forced 1.2V in IDA so it could still boot fine (on quad boards and some DC boards), and made 1.2V available for OC. It also still idles at 0.95V.

So thats default voltage 1.1625V, IDA is 1.2V and minimal voltage is 0.95V.

Thats what I was running to get 2.8GHz. Any higher than 1.2V and it won't boot reliably, as you have found. I actually think you got lucky with your CPU because neither of mine would run stable at 2.8GHz with anything less than 1.2V

But then I got the 8730w and never looked back.

That reminds me, before I got hold of some proper quad 8530w chassis', I actually bought the quad heatsink and bent the fins on an angle and cut the fins to shape, so that it would fit the DC chassis. It worked quite well. But I think your copper pad idea is better, although the quad heatsink does have a thicker pipe. You also may or may not know that you can slightly bend the heatpipe just fine, so you don't need to shim the GPU, but you still need to shim the NB since its part of the alloy casting.

Also, did you think about just TIM-ing the bottom of the fins straight to the chassis? Its Magnesium alloy, so it should conduct a reasonable amount of heat, and there is a lot more of it than just a copper sheet.

PS if you or anyone else needs any 8530w parts I have heaps and heaps of spares for these, enough to build up probably 5 whole w's. They are just sitting here going to waste so PM me.

 

Oh, I considered that, but I decided that it would heat up the whole bottom too much. Even with the copper plate, the bottom is a lot hotter than on the stock 8530.

 

@jotm and stumo

does one of you know what's the sensor

External 1

and where it can be located?

 

@maximinimaus

I think that's the north bridge temperature sensor, cause it has about the same temperature (and even higher) as the GPU and CPU at full load - and it's sandwiched between them on the heatpipe.

 

Thank you.l
The north bridge is only covered by a pad, no copper.
Do you have any clue how to increase the heat dissipation?

 

You can't really do much, since it's between the CPU and GPU on the same pipe - I thought I could sort of isolate it with the copper shim I installed, but it still gets just as hot as the CPU/GPU under full load. The Intel north bridge has a 100 degrees maximum temperature limit...

 

Maximinumaus,

I recently inherited a HP Elitebook 8530w and upgraded to the X9100. I want to replicate the specs you have in your signature but cannot for the life of me figure out how to overclock the CPU & GPU using throttlestop. Do you have any screen caps or a quick walkthrough that I can use to replicate your settings? I would be very grateful for any help you (or anyone else) could throw my way!