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    any news on the hp elitebook 8560w?

    Discussion in 'HP Business Class Notebooks' started by Jvanmil, Mar 21, 2011.

  1. Jvanmil

    Jvanmil Notebook Geek

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    Hey all,

    Does anyone know when the new hp elitebook 8560w will be available? Google and a search on notebookreview doesn't give any new info.

    Thanks Jan
     
    Jvanmil, Mar 21, 2011
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    I'm working on info about that with my Business to Business contact...
     
    wii, Mar 25, 2011
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    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Same here. No ETA yet though...
     
    Aikimox, Mar 27, 2011
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    No ETA, I just asked...
     
    wii, Mar 29, 2011
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  5. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    no ETA for any w series? damm! Why did they all go for a crap nvidia card?
     
    Karamazovmm, Mar 30, 2011
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    Because nVidia is still preferred for workstation solutions... not really sure how you figure nVidia is crap either.
     
    sgogeta4, Mar 31, 2011
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    It would be nice if we would have a choice. Firepro or quadro (dream on: quadro 1-2-3000 or 6870 based firepro : dream off).
     
    Tom1939, Mar 31, 2011
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    If AMD releases a FirePro equivalent, I have no doubts that HP and other companies will add it to their GPU selection list when it is available (after all, the 8540w/8740w did).
     
    sgogeta4, Apr 1, 2011
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    While I don't think nVidia is "crap", actually they make the most full featured workstation cards, I wouln't buy an nVidia product because I just don't trust them. Many other tech professionals I've worked with share this feeling. And ATI's workstation cards have caught up in leaps and bounds lately, as well as their newer hardware designs tend to be more innovative. nVidia has given us the impression that they are more interested in what their marketing people want instead of following their engineers' advice. Case in point was the "bump" problem of a few years ago. The engineers said the design would be very fast, but would break down prematurely due to the thermals. Marketing, I assume, heard the word "fast" and pushed to use it anyway. And then the cards started to fail, many right after the warranty expired. And nVidia kept quiet for the longest time. Until, that is, they were forced to address it. And it cost them. Money, yes, lots of it. But more important, reputation. I'm retired from corporate life and no longer oversee $400 million a year in technology spending. But even in my small operation, I choose my vendors carefully, and history is part of that choice. Hopefully, nVidia may make it back to my list of choices some day.

    By the way, love your avatar.
     
    VisionLight, Apr 1, 2011
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  10. Star Forge

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    Well they also skipped the 8520w and the 8720w back then as well.
     
    Star Forge, Apr 3, 2011
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    Ok, from reliable source (HP sales) the new workstations will be released in June 2011.
     
    wii, Apr 4, 2011
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    Wii, may be you can also ask your reliable source what have happened with the full HD (1920*1080) display option for 8560 p? When the sales just started in the middle of march it was available for some time, but then quickly disappeared. Now this option is only available for mobile workstation. Looks like some marketing decision, because apart from this option i really don't see much difference between p and w.
     
    morse, Apr 4, 2011
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  13. wii

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    Oh, I'm working on that too, I posted about it here:

    [thread]558515[/thread]
     
    wii, Apr 4, 2011
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  14. Jvanmil

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    Does anyone know if the 8560w will have a keyboard with a numpad like the current 8540w has?

    Thanks Jan
     
    Jvanmil, Apr 5, 2011
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    Yes, it will.
     
    wii, Apr 5, 2011
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    nice!

    So right now i have to choose either the current 8540w (i7-740qm, 8gb, dreamcolor 8-bits+FRC) or a similar priced 8560w (dreamcolor 10-bits).

    Which should i go for?

    Thanks Jan
     
    Jvanmil, Apr 5, 2011
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  17. wii

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    We have no info about the 8560w, so you are asking too early.
     
    wii, Apr 5, 2011
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  18. Jvanmil

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    Maybe i should re-phrase my question:

    Would the 8560w be a significant update (in your opinion / expectations) to the allready good 8540w or would it be 'just' an update to current available hardware? Or in other words will the 8560w be worth the wait?

    I am trying to justify the wait for the 8560w over buying an 8540w for myself, but i didn't come to any conclusions yet. Maybe your ideas about this could tip the scale in one way or the other.

    Thanks Jan
     
    Jvanmil, Apr 5, 2011
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    It will have a totally new desing, upgrade CPU/GPU.

    The rest should be about the same.

    I think it worth the wait.
     
    atticus182, Apr 5, 2011
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  20. Mech0z

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    Double batterylife
     
    Mech0z, Apr 6, 2011
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  21. sgogeta4

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    The thing is there is always better around the corner, so if you can wait a few months then wait. But when you need a laptop, buy whichever is best out then and forget what's in the future.
     
    sgogeta4, Apr 6, 2011
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    The thing is that sometimes the corner is a bit further away and the need is very urgent so buying the product is right, but when it is the other way around waiting makes sense, don't you think? ;)
     
    munichlondon, Apr 6, 2011
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    Well, we are talking about new generation of CPU here, not something that happens every day.
     
    morse, Apr 7, 2011
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  24. Sotton

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    any news about the next CPU Ivy Bridge? I have heard it could be available in June... or is this too fast for HP?
     
    Sotton, Apr 7, 2011
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  25. Jvanmil

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    Well not every day, but almost every half year. Or is the upcoming CPU generation so much different?
     
    Jvanmil, Apr 7, 2011
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    Not every new processor is "new generation", so "half a year" is not true. You can look here for details:
    Intel Tick-Tock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
    morse, Apr 7, 2011
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    Where did you hear THAT? The latest news are that Ivy Bridge will be availabe 12 months after Sandy Bridge. This would also fit into Intel's Tick-Tock strategy. Although Ivy Bridge will probably fit into the current 6-series chips mainboards the new 7-series chips will support USB 3 natively and the respective mainboards will probably be available at the end of Q4 2011.

    I think it will be far more interesting to see how AMDs Llano will perform. It is their first 32-nm CPU (or APU as they call it) and has already been delivered to the respective brands. If it performs well (like i7 Sandy Bridges), it will put pressure on Intel's pricing strategy. Thus it might be wise to wait for Q2/Q3 2011 when prices might drop significantly.
     
    munichlondon, Apr 7, 2011
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  28. Sotton

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    Sotton, Apr 7, 2011
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    If i understand correctly than the Sandy Bridge is a evolution of the Westmere processors? Or is it a new generation?
     
    Jvanmil, Apr 7, 2011
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  30. Judicator

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    No, it's a new generation, as noted by the "new microarchitecture" entry to its left.
     
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    So the Sandy Brigde is totally new and new ivy bridge wil be a shrunken smaller version of the Sandy bridge?

    Anyway an ETA (and price indication) on the 8560w would be great but still out of the question i guess.

    Thanks Jan
     
    Jvanmil, Apr 7, 2011
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  32. VisionLight

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    Just to keep everything straight, Intel's current prospective roadmap as I understand it is:

    2011 - 32 nm Sandy Bridge (new arch)
    2012 - 22 nm Ivy Bridge (shrink of SB)
    2013 - 22 nm Haswell (new arch)
    2014 - 16 nm Rockwell (shrink of HW) - may be 14nm built from the first 450mm substrates and called Broadwell.
    2015 - 16 nm Sky Lake (new arch)
    2016 - 11 nm Skymont (shrink)

    Although new toys are always interesting to me, I can see having all my processing needs covered for about 2 more years with my current crop of 8540w, 8740w and 6550b. So I'm waiting for the design and features of the new Haswell machines.
     
    VisionLight, Apr 7, 2011
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  33. Sotton

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    yes, but because of AMD Bulldozer Ivy Bridge is maybe not that far away

    however, maybe only rumors...
     
    Sotton, Apr 8, 2011
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  34. VisionLight

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    The years quoted in my post are the main production years. Yes, Ivy Bridge more then likely will be introduced in 4Q 2011, but in any case, will not be included in HP mobile workstations until Spring of 2012.
     
    VisionLight, Apr 8, 2011
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    In terms of CPU performance, that's not going to happen IMO.
    The CPU cores in Llano are related to the cores in Phenom I and II, and those are quite inefficient compared to SB.
    For the same reason, AMD have dropped this design for high end desktop and will use the new Bulldozer design instead.
    Llano will be replaced next year with a new design which is based on Bulldozer, but by that time Intel is one step ahead again with 22 nm, and AMD will still be stuck at 32 nm.

    AMD's only chance to compete with Intel is this year, with high end Bulldozer desktop and server CPU's.

    One big reason why Llano doesn't have the new Bulldozer design is that it would be too risky for AMD to use this new design on all new CPU's.
    That's why we'll see Llano (with integrated PCIe, graphics, new socket, but old cores), and Zambezi with new cores combined with the mostly old AM3+ socket and chipsets.
    AMD will replace everything old next year, so these upcoming CPU's are transition models in many aspects.
    Expect a much faster successor for Llano, and a socket replacement for AM3+ next year.
     
    SL2, Apr 10, 2011
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  36. hbootz

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    HP EliteBook 8560w Mobile Workstation
    since today specs online
    DA - 13995 Worldwide QuickSpecs — Version 1 — 4.12.2011
     
    hbootz, Apr 12, 2011
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  37. Jvanmil

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    Where is this online?
     
    Jvanmil, Apr 12, 2011
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    hbootz, Apr 12, 2011
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  39. Jvanmil

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    Nice! No ETA yet?
     
    Jvanmil, Apr 12, 2011
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    Could you please post the specs? I am in the office right now and can't download the app.
     
    munichlondon, Apr 12, 2011
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    Excellent, thank you!

    These are the quick specs:
    • Genuine Windows 7 versions, Genuine Windows Vista Home Basic, or FreeDOS
    • All new chiseled design with enhanced DuraCase, wear-resistant DuraFinish, HP DisplaySafe frame, precision aluminum-alloy hinges, cast titanium-alloy display latches, signature gunmetal color tone, keyboard in full aluminum deck, radial-spun display cover with HP backlit logo, and chemically strengthened glass touchpad
    • Workstation-caliber discrete graphics: AMD FirePro M5950, NVIDIA Quadro 1000M, or NVIDIA Quadro 2000M
    • Widescreen 15.6-inch diagonal LED-backlit display:
    • HD+ wide viewing angle, FHD wide viewing angle, or FHD ultra wide viewing angle with HP DreamColor
    • HP Performance Advisor for optimal configuration, compatibility and performance
    • Up to four SODIMMs on configurations with quad-core processor, for system memory up to 32 GB
    • AMD Eyefinity Technology for multi-monitor support
    • DisplayPort for high resolution support
    • SRS Premium Sound optimized for high fidelity audio
    • Choice of 2nd generation Intel® Core™ i7 and i5 processors
    • Intel Core i7 with vPro and Core i5 with vPro technology (optional)
    • Flexible wireless connectivity options:
    • Optional integrated HP hs2340 HSPA+ Mobile Broadband Module connects to both HSPA and HSPA+ (UMTS) networks and provides GPS functionality
    • Optional integrated HP un2430 EV-DO/HSPA Mobile Broadband Module (Gobi 3000) provides GPS functionality
    • Optional integrated HP lt2510 EV-DO/LTE Mobile Broadband Module (US only)
    • Integrated Intel Centrino® 802.11 a/b/g/n 2x2 or 3x3, or Atheros 802.11 a/b/g/n 3x3 wireless LAN module
    • Bluetooth® v2.1+EDR
    • HP Connection Manager 4.0
    • Security features including HP ProtectTools, with central management across HP and non-HP client PCs
    • HP QuickWeb for convenient online access without long boot-up times
    • HP Power Assistant allows you to conserve power, stretch battery run-time, accurately monitor the energy usage of the PC and up to four select HP external monitors, and report workforce power consumption.
    • Upgrade Bay for optical drive, optional second hard drive, or weight saver
    • Choice of 7200 rpm user-removable hard drive up to 750 GB with HP 3D DriveGuard protection, or 128/256 GB Solid State Drive
    • Choice of battery solutions: 8-cell (83 WHr) or 8-cell (75 WHr) HP Long Life Battery, combined with optional external batteries for extended life.
     
    munichlondon, Apr 12, 2011
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  43. wii

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    ETA June 2011.
     
    wii, Apr 12, 2011
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  44. wii

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    Yes, I got the info about a week ago.
     
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  45. hbootz

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    who exactly are you referring to?
     
    hbootz, Apr 12, 2011
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  46. Jvanmil

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    What are you talking about...
     
    Jvanmil, Apr 12, 2011
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  47. Jvanmil

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    :D Nope sorry i'm not, though i am at tweakers.net with a different nick :cool:
     
    Jvanmil, Apr 12, 2011
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    hm, as this is the HP business class subforum I gathered that pretty much everyone knows the product bulletin and actually uses it.

    Apparently not.
     
    hbootz, Apr 12, 2011
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  49. wii

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  50. Sotton

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    not too bad ;)
     
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