8510W First Impression

Hey guys:
My 8510W just arrived, and finally arrived at the desktop after taking a while to create it's recovery partition, do the vista benchmark, etc. These are my first impressions of it, as I go along.

The trackpoint is ok. However, mine was loose, and thus popped up when I started using it hard. Not difficult to reseat, but annoying.

The CPU fan is running pretty much constantly, with my t7500 processor. I'll report back on how loud it gets when I benchmark it.

The 1920x1200 screen is crazy. I can have EVERYTHING on it at once it seems. Text is small (duh), but I'm young, so I think I can cope.

From my light use, the keyboard has no detectable flex, which makes me happy.

The Windows Experience Index is at 4.7...with a Gaming Performance of 5.5 (!!!)

Norton Internet Security trial is installed, but easily blown away. There is minimal bloat otherwise (Google toolbar, WWAN Setup, Roxio Creator, PDF Complete).

I'm currently installing 3dMark 03, 05, and 06, since I'm sure that we ALL are wondering what the 570m card can do. I'll post back with these scores, as well as the report from Everest Ultimate.

-Jeeves

 

please post some pics..box and everything!!!! purty please! how's the keyboard?

 

Below is a dump of the Everest System Summary:

--------[ EVEREST Ultimate Edition ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Version EVEREST v4.00.976
Benchmark Module 2.1.184.0
Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/
Report Type Report Wizard
Computer ADAMSYFRETT-PC
Generator Adam Syfrett
Operating System Microsoft Windows Vista Business 6.0.6000 (Vista Retail)
Date 2007-07-11
Time 11:58


--------[ Summary ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Computer:
Computer Type ACPI x86-based PC (Mobile)
Operating System Microsoft Windows Vista Business
OS Service Pack -
Internet Explorer 7.0.6000.16473
DirectX DirectX 10.0
Computer Name ADAMSYFRETT-PC
User Name Adam Syfrett
Logon Domain AdamSyfrett-PC
Date / Time 2007-07-11 / 11:58

Motherboard:
CPU Type Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7500, 2200 MHz (11 x 200)
Motherboard Name Hewlett-Packard HP Compaq 8510w
Motherboard Chipset Intel Crestline GL960/GM965/PM965
System Memory 2032 MB (DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM)
BIOS Type Unknown (06/12/07)
Communication Port Intel(R) Active Management Technology - SOL (COM4)
Communication Port ECP Printer Port (LPT1)

Display:
Video Adapter Quadro FX 570M (256 MB)
Video Adapter Quadro FX 570M (256 MB)
Monitor Generic PnP Monitor [NoDB]

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Analog Devices AD1981HD @ Intel 82801HBM ICH8M - High Definition Audio Controller

Storage:
IDE Controller Intel(R) ICH8M SATA AHCI Controller - 2829
IDE Controller Intel(R) ICH8M Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 2850
IDE Controller Ricoh SD/MMC Host Controller
IDE Controller Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Storage Controller Microsoft iSCSI Initiator
Disk Drive ST9120823AS ATA Device (111 GB, IDE)
Optical Drive TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632M ATA Device
SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 105933 MB (87179 MB free)
E: (NTFS) 1588 MB (1348 MB free)
F: (NTFS) 6944 MB (783 MB free)
Total Size 111.8 GB (87.2 GB free)

Input:
Keyboard HID Keyboard Device
Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse Synaptics PS/2 Port TouchPad

Network:
Primary IP Address 192.168.1.144
Primary MAC Address 00-13-E8-13-B7-37
Network Adapter Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Network)
Network Adapter Intel(R) 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection
Network Adapter Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN (192.168.1.144)
Modem Soft Data Fax Modem with SmartCP

Peripherals:
Printer Fax
Printer Microsoft XPS Document Writer
Printer PDF Complete
FireWire Controller Ricoh RL5C832 IEEE1394 Controller (PHY: Ricoh RL5C832)
USB1 Controller Intel 82801HBM ICH8M - USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller Intel 82801HBM ICH8M - USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller Intel 82801HBM ICH8M - USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller Intel 82801HBM ICH8M - USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller Intel 82801HBM ICH8M - USB Universal Host Controller
USB2 Controller Intel 82801HBM ICH8M - USB2 Enhanced Host Controller
USB2 Controller Intel 82801HBM ICH8M - USB2 Enhanced Host Controller
USB Device AuthenTec Inc. AES2501A
USB Device HP Bluetooth Module
Battery Microsoft AC Adapter
Battery Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Control Method Battery
Battery Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Control Method Battery

DMI:
DMI BIOS Vendor Hewlett-Packard
DMI BIOS Version 68MVD Ver. F.01
DMI System Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
DMI System Product HP Compaq 8510w
DMI System Version F.01
DMI System Serial Number DELETED
DMI System UUID B4E4E190-4515E011-2F9C6D99-0E21A529
DMI Motherboard Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
DMI Motherboard Product 30C5
DMI Motherboard Version KBC Version 71.2F
DMI Motherboard Serial Number
DMI Chassis Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
DMI Chassis Version
DMI Chassis Serial Number DELETED
DMI Chassis Asset Tag DELETED
DMI Chassis Type Notebook


-Jeeves

 

Gash:
The more I use the keyboard, the more I like it. It's got nice feedback to me, and no flex that I can feel.

Photos will be forthcoming once I get the benchmarking done.
-Jeeves

 

Awesome, I can't wait for the pictures!

I wonder how the Quadro handles games. Really wish the 8510p was out so we could get some comparisons of the Nvidia card against the HD 2600.

 

ZT3k:
I'm running 3dmark 06 as we speak. I'll come back with a score.
-Jeeves

 

3710 3dMarks while in Vista Business.
Not bad, considering my dedicated gaming rig with an Opteron 2.4ghz, and an ATi X1950Pro scored only 4866.
Although the MBP with it's 2.4ghz processor, and 8600GT M scored better still.
-Jeeves

 

oh man, keep it coming.

 

Well, the speakers aren't too hot, but this IS a laptop, and they are also front firing...

Now just to fiddle with it more.

My one quibble so far is that it seems as if the display is unevenly lit, as in the right side appears dimmer than the left. I'm still scratching my head as to WHY...but...if I can't get over that...well...you all know how it goes.

-Jeeves

 

Is there any possibility you could see how the computer's graphics score does with regular Geforce drivers?

 

Great info! Can you do a spec viewperf 9 and cinebench run as wel?? I'm looking into getting one of these as well, for SolidWorks...

 

Odin:
I'd be happy to, I just need to know how to go about letting my computer thing that it's got a GeForce, not a Quadro card
-Jeeves

 

The basic idea is just to download a driver that isn't locked into one specific mode, like HP's are. If you have Vista 32-bit, follow these instructions. I believe the driver version you'll want is 165.01

 

Those benchmarks will have to wait. I've found my laptop has seriously uneven/patchy backlighting, which makes me very unhappy. I'll come back with the verdict...
-Jeeves

 

The display has such a brightness because backlight can be also side-mounted.
Could you please post the detail of monitor/display section from Everest? I can tell you which panel you have in the laptop.

 

CINEBENCH 9.5
****************************************************

Tester :

Processor :
MHz :
Number of CPUs : 2
Operating System :

Graphics Card :
Resolution : <fill this out>
Color Depth : <fill this out>

****************************************************

Rendering (Single CPU): 380 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 676 CB-CPU

Multiprocessor Speedup: 1.78

Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 428 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 1490 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 3831 CB-GFX

OpenGL Speedup: 8.95

****************************************************

 

Btw., the drive that's in there is currently one of the fastest available - 7200rpm with Perpendicular Magnetic Recording (PMR).

I hope I'll get such in my laptop (the only one who offers 2,5" 120GB/7200rpm WITHOUT PMR is Fujitsu; Hitachi and Seagate offer this capacity only with PMR)...

 

Thanks for those! I was expecting more from the FX 570M tough. Will post some comparison specs tomorrow (got them at my office).

 

Ceco:
Here is the everest dump for the monitor and display settings for my rig.

--------[ Windows Video ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ Quadro FX 570M ]

Video Adapter Properties:
Device Description Quadro FX 570M
Adapter String Quadro FX 570M
BIOS String Version 60.84.56.1.2
Chip Type Quadro FX 570M
DAC Type Integrated RAMDAC
Installed Drivers nvd3dum (7.15.11.0163 - nVIDIA ForceWare 101.63), nvwgf2um (7.15.11.0163)
Memory Size 256 MB

Video Adapter Manufacturer:
Company Name NVIDIA Corporation
Product Information http://www.nvidia.com/page/products.html
Driver Download http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp
Driver Update http://driveragent.com?ref=59

[ Quadro FX 570M ]

Video Adapter Properties:
Device Description Quadro FX 570M
Adapter String Quadro FX 570M
BIOS String Version 60.84.56.1.2
Chip Type Quadro FX 570M
DAC Type Integrated RAMDAC
Installed Drivers nvd3dum (7.15.11.0163 - nVIDIA ForceWare 101.63), nvwgf2um (7.15.11.0163)
Memory Size 256 MB

Video Adapter Manufacturer:
Company Name NVIDIA Corporation
Product Information http://www.nvidia.com/page/products.html
Driver Download http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp
Driver Update http://driveragent.com?ref=59


--------[ Monitor ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ Generic PnP Monitor [NoDB] ]

Monitor Properties:
Monitor Name Generic PnP Monitor [NoDB]
Monitor ID SEC4346
Manufacturer LTN154U2-L07
Manufacture Date 2007
Serial Number None
Max. Visible Display Size 33 cm x 21 cm (15.4")
Picture Aspect Ratio 16:10
Gamma 2.20
DPMS Mode Support None


--------[ Desktop ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Desktop Properties:
Device Technology Raster Display
Resolution 1920 x 1200
Color Depth 32-bit
Color Planes 1
Font Resolution 96 dpi
Pixel Width / Height 36 / 36
Pixel Diagonal 51
Vertical Refresh Rate 60 Hz

Desktop Effects:
Combo-Box Animation Enabled
Drop Shadow Effect Enabled
Flat Menu Effect Enabled
Font Smoothing Enabled
ClearType Enabled
Full Window Dragging Enabled
Gradient Window Title Bars Enabled
Hide Menu Access Keys Enabled
Hot Tracking Effect Enabled
Icon Title Wrapping Enabled
List-Box Smooth Scrolling Enabled
Menu Animation Enabled
Menu Fade Effect Enabled
Minimize/Restore Animation Enabled
Mouse Cursor Shadow Enabled
Selection Fade Effect Enabled
ShowSounds Accessibility Feature Disabled
ToolTip Animation Enabled
ToolTip Fade Effect Enabled
Windows Plus! Extension Disabled



Do you need any more info?
-Jeeves

 

That's enough.

It is a Samsung panel, model LTN154U2-L07 (some pretty new revision, google has L05 as the latest one). It is not even listed on the website, only LTN154U1 is shown there.

I'd say that the problem with the brightness is caused by the backlight; I can also see such difference on my ASUS (that will be replaced by 8510w). If it is too different, contact the service center.

 

C:
My issue was not that the backlight was uneven (that's livable). My issue was that there is a blotch on the screen that is darker than the rest. I've already gotten ahold of HP, and they are working on getting a replacement out to me. The issue is that this is such a new rig they have NONE available, not even in the up-spec'ed models.

I brought it with me to work, and the wireless on it is working quite nicely, as I can get a signal on a network that I normally can't.

-Jeeves

 

thanks jeeves appreciate your efforts in this. I remember reading somewhere when doing researches that hp screens are generally mediocre but that could only be one person's comment.

How about heat? Does it get too hot?

Am extremely interested in the 570m comparison with other cards. Can't wait til they release the 8510w in my country. The sales rep over the phone said it will only be available aug 3rd even though it's already listed on the website. I tend to take their words with a pinch of salt though.

Now I all need is someone to get their hands on a dell m4300 and do some comparisons.

 

Heat wise isn't too bad. Even under full benchmarking, it doesn't get too warm to be uncomfortable, at least to me.

I agree that HP screens suck, at least if this is any representation. However, mine could be a fluke. As such, we'll see what HP can do for me as far as getting this unit replaced. Issue is, there are NO more 8510W or 8710W models of ANY SKU available. They all shipped the day they hit warehouse, and as of right now, there is no ETA when more are due back. They should be getting up with me tomorrow to let me know what their proposed fix is.

-Jeeves

 

Here are some comparison results, seems like the FX 570M is not too bad after all...

Results are sorted by hardware shading:

 

At least it's a lot better than the entry lvl fx 360m which is sooo very weak

 

Stefan:
No, it doesn't look too shabby at all. I'd be curious as to seeing what the card in the 8710W could do, seeing as how it's a Quadro 1600M.

The other benchmark you wanted run is transfering over my network to the laptop as we speak to be installed.

-Jeeves

 

What is the exact hight in the back? QuickSpecs only mentions the front hight as 2.8 cm.

 

jeeves915:
Ok, I'll keep an eye on it. I hope my 8510w will be OK... (they are currently producing models for Europe so I should have one in 2-3 weeks if everything goes fine).

Btw., ETA for these models is 2-4 weeks from date of ordering in HP Backoffice.

 

Palta: The laptop is level, so it's a constant height.

I hope that I'm not put TOO far out for a replacement. If I am, I might just have to RMA this and get something different. I HAVE to have it for classes that start August 1.

Stefan: Spec 10 benchmarks below.
Viewset Composite
1 thread Composite
2 thread
3dsmax-04 - 37.11
catia-02 - 48.64
maya-02 - 58.56
proe-04 - 26.53
sw-01 - 56.66
tcvis-01 - 10.78

-Jeeves

 

Just for the record, this experience has turned into a complete and total Charlie Foxtrot (look it up).

It turns out that my rep ordered the WRONG warranty for my unit. This means that now, I have to have my order for that warranty canceled, credited, and THEN, call to another department to order the correct warranty. Needless to say, this has started to turn into a comedy of errors, on HP's part....unfortunately, I'm not laughing.

-Jeeves

 

If you could provide me with your serial number and part number, I could find out which warranty you have (if you want of course; you can use private message for that).

I am already used that HP has a mess in warranty ordering; I NEVER got correct CarePack warranty in last 12 months (I have ordered 6 Carepacks in this period), so for me it's just a routine...

 

I've gotten it taken care of now, thankfully. It's just me spending another 30 min on the phone for a brand new laptop that is the annoyance. I've had it less than a full day, and have already been on the phone several hours between this and the monitor issue.

*sigh*

Thank you for the offer though. I wish I had your expertise in this when I was ordering originally.
-Jeeves

 

They will exchange you current laptop for another one? Interesting...

Concerning warranties, it took two days to two weeks to get correct warranty for those laptops (all of them nc8430 except for one nx9420)... But I'm used and as far as I know (and service guys who repair many brands told me), HP is one of those better in Central Europe...

Btw., nc8430 I got for my brother went to the service center directly from the warehouse - battery connector was broken... And currently I try to arrange money return for it as it was broken 3 times (and interestingly enough, 4 other nc8430s are working perfectly without any flaw)...

 

CeCo:
This is what they have said to me. However, I'm waiting on the call back from HP corporate (not the tech), to confirm this.

I suppose I could look on the bright side, and be thankful I wasn't in your brother's position. I'll post up and let you know what HP says when they call.

-Jeeves

 

BTW: Any more benchmark requests?
-Jeeves

 

HDTune or HDTach (one of them doesn't run on Windows). Its for the HDD so laptop shouldn't be used during benchmarking to achieve realistic results.

 

That what you wanted C?
-Jeeves

 

Exactly However, could you please try it once again? Burst rate is too low compared to other drives in this segment...

 

C:
After re-running HDTune, I'm now getting a burst rate of 53.6 mb/sec. This is after a fresh reboot as well. I have no clue what is up with that, but if you have some suggestions, please do fire away.
-Jeeves

 

Hm... Maybe it might be Vista with its indexing service that runs even during the test... Could you turn it off? (unfortunately I don't know how to do that, but google might be helpful in this case)

 

I can help with that. Type 'services' in the search bar of the start up menu and press enter.
Find 'Windows Search' (down at the bottom) of the services window, right click and press stop. That disables indexing.

 

how's those photos coming? sorry to bug you but am really excited by it.

Are you changing it for something else btw?

 

Gash:
I must admit that the MacBook Pro that my g/f just got is looking mighty tasty.

Marm & C:
I'll try that tomorrow and get back to you.

-Jeeves

 

I know what you mean but if you're using stuff mostly on windows then it's not worth getting a mbp. Plus mbp doesn't come with a docking station. Still a very nice laptop though.

 

The HP didn't COME with a docking station either. It's another chunk of cash you have to lay out.
-Jeeves

 

But you have the CHOICE of a docking station, which I throughly appreciate.

Besides if your laying out for an ISV certified monster notebook, whats another bill or two for a docking station?

Regarding PICs, from what it looks like on HP's site the systems looks *very* similar to the previous generation systems (nc8430, etc.). So looking at the previous reviews for that system should get you about 95% there. I'm guessing it may just be the ports on the backside that differs.

 

Well, the benchmarking will have to wait. This unit is going back due to the backlight. The replacement will be here soon, so I'll post back then when I get it. Not going to say any more about this one, as HP's response on the matter has been MORE than exemplary.

-Jeeves

 

Hmm...T61p or 8510w (since I cant wait till September for the 8510p)

 

jeeves915:
Could you post those Everest reports (HDD, ODD and monitor) also from the replacement part? Just to see if they are used to change suppliers for one batch of same P/N.

t1mmer:
T61p is useless for me because of the display (how can somebody not center the panel )

 

C: The 15.4" (t61p and t61) is centered, the 14.1" (only t61) is off centered.