8710p-July 5. 8510p-July 20?

Hey guys:
I was on the phone yesterday checking with HP about the 8510p. The rep told me that HIS info said that the 8710p would be released on the 5th of July, but the 8510p would not be available until July 20. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I really hope this isn't true, because the 8510p is the one I want for school, but if it is released then, it'll be too late to order it in time for my classes to start.

-Jeeves

 

If you go to hp's large business site, you'll notice that both the 8710p & w, and the 8510w are available for sale. I'm in the same boat, I want the 8510p before I go to school in the fall. I called HP small business last week and they said it should be ready for sale before July, which is less than 4 days away...

 

That confirms what a CSR told me as well, that it would be out by the end of June. Here's hoping!

 

I'm still convinced that the X2600 video card is the reason for the hold-up. I have yet to see that card in any notebook.

 

Well, I just talked with them yet again, and the 8510p has been pushed back til August, due to the 2600xt card.

However, the 8510W is out now. I just ordered it, and expect is sometime next week hopefully.

-Jeeves

 

the 8510p isn't using the HD 2600 XT, just the HD 2600.

Still, if it is pushed back to august...i guess its back to either the mbp or d830 for me.

 

My bad on the typo. It IS just the HD2600, but according to HP, it is delayed due to that.
-Jeeves

 

I still feel the 8510p's release is imminent just based off the website. They've got the button for "pre-configured models" ready.

Or else they are just cruelly lying to me.

 

Maybe they should just switch to nVidia...they're already shipping their DX10...

 

Actually, I wouldn't say the problem is that ATi can't do the chip at all - maybe they're just unable to produce it in a sufficient volume to cover the expected demand and so they shifted the sales of 8510p in order to avoid shipping delays of already proceeded orders.
Another reason might be the sales strategy (even nc8430 was released as one of the last HP's Centrino-Duo based business notebooks).

Anyway, as far as I have information (and it is publicly available on HP's website), it will be customizable also in Europe (via TopConfig) and it is pretty possible that 8510w and 8510p will have same motherboard with graphic adapter via MXM slot (or some other kind of a slot).

That's all I can say - there is one issue out there that is not publicly available; bud don't want me to uncover it; this is the most I can say.

PS: I'm waiting for 8510p to be released to buy one
PS2: The error on HP's website showing some desktop after clicking on "Pre-configured models" was fixed.

 

Yeah but theres still a red button there. Which is weird. and the fact that it was changed in the first place leads me to believe something will happen sometime soon.

 

Well, AFAIK HP staff which is sometimes a bit lazy and uneducated, I don't treat any "signs" suc has a red button as reliable unless I have the machine in my hand/the problem fixed.

 

Oh I know that deep down, I just want to delude myself into being hopeful

 

called Hp about 2 and a half hours ago and the lady told me that she could pull part numbers on the 8510p and to expect it to be available on july 2nd which was the first date that i heard on these forums

 

there is a read button that appears under the 8710p but with no label ,I think that means it will be very soon available

 

The ATI graphics are the only reason I can see this notebook not being for sale right now. I wouldn't have minded if the computer shipped with an 8600, but I really have no idea how the HD2600 is going to perform.

I guess so long as it can handle some HL2 every now and then at a respectable frame rate, that's all I'm asking for.

P.S. Wait is killing me. The nc8430 with all its rebates is looking might appealing.

 

I heard early July as well, although my spidey-sense is tingling and telling me HP may re-nig on their release date. But as long as it gets here by mid august I'm in good shape.

 

I can tell you those part numbers for North America too And in fact, everybody who has an access to the internet can - http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12713_na/12713_na.HTML

In European press releases, mid-August was mentioned for 8510p and mid-July (end of July) for 8510w. However, all 8xxx models had July 5th in HP's notebook cheatsheet as a release date...
Anyway, we'll see next week what's the truth. I'm already registered at HP's website to get a notification of 8510p's sales...

 

The earliest rumored release date is approaching soon (July 2nd) and no word or update on the HP website. Has anyone got anything new to add to the expected release date?

 

Well, the only update is that estimated ship date of 8510w, 8710p and 8710w has been postponed to July 6th according to their web.

 

Just got off the phone with HP again...they have no new info on when the 8510p might be shipping...all they can recommend is calling back in a week :confused2:

 

After a talk with a local distributor, I can confirm that there are some "problems" with the VGA chip - sales manager tried to find some backlog for its P/N, but there was no response yet...

 

Well, I jumped BACK onto the 8510W wagon when the rep cut me a deal by taking another $200 off of my already 8% discounted price. That, and the rep promised me it'd ship by the end of this week (tomorrow).

However, it seems that it too is bunk, as he emailed me today and said that they still had not gotten stock in their warehouses. I have a feeling it might not just be VGA chips delaying the 8510 lines, but something else.

-jeeves

 

jeeves915:
Which model of 8510w did you choose?

8510w should be in stock around July 15th together with 8710.
Actually, there is some major problem with 8510p as the one I have tried to order by using my "internal sources" at the end of June was postponed to SEPTEMBER!!!

HP has huge mess in its system and each person knows only a part of the desired information... I always have to call to 3 different people to get the whole info without any missing data...

 

C:
I ordered the same one that I did the first go around. That would be part # RM286UA. My predicted ship date (as of now) is tomorrow, which both me, and my rep have called BS on.

I really wish they had an off the shelf one with the T7700 in it, as opposed to the T7500...but...thats a whole 'nother set of issues.

As per my rep...
Hi Jeeves (edited to protected my privacy),

I checked on the order and even though the ship date still shows 7/10 ship date if you purchased this product today, I don’t see any stock yet. I will keep an eye on it and see when the product does come in, but I don’t think it’s going to be there Monday. I even checked other options, but I didn’t find anything that is in stock or that will ship sooner, so this is still our best shot. I will keep you posted…

Have a great day!

Any guesses?

-Jeeves

 

As I have already mentioned somewhere here - internal launch date in HP is July 15th as far as I know...

 

Arg...I was really looking at getting the 8510p, but as others have said if it's delayed until August I won't be able to wait that long. Might have to settle for a Vostro instead.

Edit: Just saw in another thread it's now September. Well guess it wasn't meant to be

 

have they officially launch the 8510w yet? the supposedly internal launch date has already come and gone

 

Gash:
The 8510W's are officially released for the US. CTO sku's will come at the end of the month. I have a replacement unit that just got here that has absolutely GODLY specs. Won't say more than that until I get the OK from HP as this unit is rather...unique. Lets just leave it at it being bleeding edge.

-Jeeves

 

Sorry to blow your enthusiam, but I wonder how bleeding edge can it be that HP made you keep it so confidential? The 8510w's configurable specs are all here http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12727_div/12727_div.HTML, so has HP given you something that isn't listed in the official product specs, like maybe your notebook now comes with Intel's new Extreme X7800 processor or ExpressCard (both unlikely)? Only then would I call it Godly.

 

In the malaysian website where I am, they only offer 7500 and 7700 for the 8510w and nothing lower. EVen then they're not in stock yet. Argh. They're killing me. Do they have a big launch or is it just a soft launch where you can only find out if they visit their website?

 

chrixx:
Well, I have to defend jeeves915 as I also got some specs of 8510p and it was already ordered in June, but HP asked me to keep it confidential. However, somebody made a mistake and so they offered me 8510w as a replacement.

gashbell:
8510w is the TOP model so they won't probably offer it with something below T7500... It is a pricing policy to force you into more expensive products if you require some "unique" feature such as Quadro VGA or WUXGA resolution.

 

I can understand if the confidentiality relates to a change in specs that is not documented in the official spec sheet, which I believe would not be the case in this late stage of release. The 8510w isn't a revolutionary notebook by any means, i.e. it doesn't have any features that makes it better than competing offerings from other OEMs.

 

Chrixx:
What I call godly is a T7700, 4gb of ram, and a Blu-Ray Burner. If you want confirmation, I'll email you the Everest Report.
-Jeeves

 

No, this is fine. So, as I expected, there's no changes to the official specs because the options you listed are indeed available as a top configuration for the 8510w, but of course, they would also be the most costly option. The RRP for such a config would cost more than AU$4k here. It's also great that HP would give you an upgrade so easily because over here, HP would do anything to avoid handing out upgrades like this (they usually just refund in full when something unfortunate happens).

 

Well, jeeves915's config is NOT top config as it has a BTO part number (= built in China to be stored in warehouse 'round the world). I can't even find this P/N in HP system so it is either something really new or there is something behind it that HP doesn't want to publish.

 

But HP's P/N convention isn't very consistent. They differ between countries and region, with some P/N totally undocumented. What's the P/N btw? You're saying it's a standardised configuration, not a barebones configuration right (one of the BU IDS CTO units etc.)?

 

Chrixx:
The part # for this particular unit is GP207AA#ABA. I can't find hide nor hair of this p/n anywhere on the net. Incidentally, the Blu-Ray drive is a Matu****a UJ-210S, if you want to check the specs of it.
-Jeeves

 

chrixx:
I know these things about P/Ns, I have already had a session with topic "HP Partnumbering" held by product manager...
But the partsurfer was ALWAYS able to locate the P/N if it was out; either as a model or at least as a part. But this one is really unknown.

CTO models - IDS (America, Asia) and RCTO (Europe) - have AV at the end (such as EM741AV for RCTO nc8430 in Europe); EA are global models. Then there is a ES which is probably for Europe as AA stands for models sold plainly in USA.

 

The EM741AV is actually available anywhere afaik, so are the RCTOs. They just seem to be assembled in different locations depending on where you ordered, China, Singapore, Hungary, etc.

The catalog here doesn't seem to be updated for the 8000 series yet. It's very slow here.

 

Hm, interesting enough. I remember times when in USA ony EM740AV was available in the config tool...

Never mind, HP still has some mess in its part-numbering system (HQ cancelled my order of 8510p with words "we won't sell any IDS parts in Europe", but all those models that are to be sold to warehouses are built from IDS part numbers)...

 

So 8510p is still expected to come out in September right? C, do you know if it will be customizable, or will it only be available in pre-configured models like the W?

 

Well, it should be customizable here in Europe; not sure about USA.

 

September?

That's it, I'm buying a Dell Vostro. Sorry HP, I just can't wait that long.

 

Zt3000!
Blame ATI, it is unable to ship their VGA chips and I'd say they don't want to put nVidia VGA card there so they won't distort their product policy where VGAs such as 8600M are available only in 17" Pavilion at this time...
Product manager in HP was for example very surprised when I told him my brother uses nc8430 for gaming. He was told from HQ that gaming should be targeted with Pavilion models and not business ones...

C

 

I know, I was just being harsh.

Seriously lame of ATI, being so far behind the curve.

...and please, I'd never buy a Dell

[p.s] I don't think a lot of people would mind if you could get an 8600GT with 256megs of GDDR3 in a business class HP model.

 

QFT!!! I might even wait until September if they could do such a thing

 

Oddly enough, I was hoping they'd do exactly that. However I actually decided a week or two ago to hold out on upgrading for a while because of these delay's and the lackluster reviews on the desktop x2600.

That is the real twist of the knife here -- from what I've seen the chip we are waiting for doesn't look like it is all that anyway. But who knows, I may be surprised.

 

HP would... Manufacturers somehow try to differentiate gaming models and integrate business-class VGAs in business models such as Quadro NVS; ATI even doesn't offer these business chips...

Business laptops are not for gaming and so 8600M GT seems pretty unrealistic, especially if 8710p with much more cooling space comes with NVS 320 (G84 - 8600M core). Powerful core in 8x10p series is mainly for multiple displays support and not for gaming

 

Gave up on HP and ordered myself a T61p. The 5%, 10%, and 3.5% coupons were just too good to pass up. I essentially got the $2200 8510w for $1600. Differences being that no 3year onsite and a 100gb 7200rpm hdd instead of the 120gb 7200rpm in the HP. For $600 less, I'm satisfied.