AMD Turion vs Intel Core 2 Duo

for the amd site, they also dont show the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200 under 4000 series

 

Negative. For now, M660 2.7GHz is the highest one out.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Turion II Ultra Dual-Core Mobile M660 - TMM660DBO23GQ.html

According to PASSMARK charts, the M640 2.6GHZ scores exactly like the P8600 2.4GHz. I agree that we can't rely on one benchmark only, but al least it's not bad.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

No need to compare AMD Dual-core with an Intel Quad Q9000(oranges with apples here). Also, Q9000 is 45 Watts, Turion II is 35 Watts...

 

They don't because that is not a dedicated graphic card, it is a integrated one based in HD3450 - AMD seems to integrate the low end graphic card of last dedicated series. It is better than an Intel GMA but that is only thing to say about it. If this continues then the next onboard graphic card would be -lets call it- HD5200 based on HD4350 probably.

 

Actually it is defined in the DSDT of the ACPI.
Once you see this :

in Windows Event Viewer you know it has throttled once due to Windows ACPI in action.
The actual "time" it throttles depends on the TZ Thermal Zone Code in the ACPI.
Go read about it, it is very interesting.

 

Weinter,

This is pretty interesting.

If I rely on that I get the "ERROR" event noticeID #7 every time I boot the computer.
ID # 7 : "The speed of processor 0 (or 1) is being limited by system firmware.
The processor has been in this reduced performance state for 6 seconds since the last report".

 

Interesting, I need to take a look in the Event Viewer since I'm playing Company of Heroes lately and CPU highest temp was 93°C.

Anyway AMD processors have their own configurable throttling features. I know because I once set throttling to 70°C (and enabled HTC processor features too, they are disabled by default on my hp) and effectively when reaching 70°C the processor slowed down to 800 Mhz.

 

Nothing to do with threading it is ACPI Thermal Zone Control.
Google ACPI Spec sheet 4.0 it is written there.
I am sure you will be interested .
Duration and Threshold of throttle depends on calculated PSVT values.

 

I updated my post above, I thought I wrote that thing about throttling on the other thread about TurionPowerControl...

 

Thought you might be interested in my review of Tigris laptop

http://www.tipidpc.com/viewtopic.php?tid=210319&page=1

Thanks

 

Nice, thank you. I still don't understand why laptop manufacturers still don't give units to reviewers for full reviews

I made some tests by myself, and I found that with cinebench 64 bit, a 2.3 Turion II M520 processor has the same performances of an Intel Core 2 Duo T6600 at 2.2 Ghz, so there's not really such gap as people thinks.

 

Are you able to put a Caspian into a Griffin Slot?

 

Eh, unfortunately I asked a guy on a forum to make a cinebench run and then I compared it with my ZM-80 and an Intel E5200.

I'm still waiting for someone who has a newer Turion II/Athlon II to make some tests by myself, but I don't think I will put a newer processor in my old socket just because I don't want let someone lose his warranty on a new product :/ even if I'm really really really curious about!

 

You are welcome and I concur with you.

I have found out that there is a huge discrepancy in Cinebench R10 scores reported in another notebook review site. They are reporting max scores of 1970 and 3800 in Single and Multi-CPU setup. In my review I've got scores of Single - 2396 and Multi - 4612.

Another one is the passmark score reported in another web site. They have posted Turion M520 with score of 1471. In my review I got 1535.

 

The difference is related to Cinebench 32bits and 64bits.

My values with M520 are
32bits: 1964 and 3765
64bits:2446 and 4701

It is my 32bits data that is in Notebookcheck.net.

 

oh ok so that is where the fault is. They should have made a separate section for 32bits and 64bits version. Thanks for the info.

 

How about ordering 1 M500/M600 Processor from ebay?
The seller is in US if you live in the US the shipping is cheaper, not to mention if it doesn't work you can return it to the seller.
I am itching to do that but the thought of cash going into international shipping prevented me to(I don't live in the US GMT+8).
I meant if you do it really carefully the tech wouldn't notice?

 

The problem with trying to upgrade to new CPU core revisions is that if the BIOS doesn't recognize it, it won't work. I would assume that putting a Caspian in a Griffin socket will fail, if only because of the lack of BIOS support AFAIK. I think that the socket was tweaked a little too.

 

The thing is everything isn't as clear cut as that.
There are new S1G2, S1G3 socket that can use S1G1 CPU.

 

Unfortunately I'm not from US. I see there's an M600 at 140 euros, but actually it's quite expensive for such a try.

 

Ebay accepts returns but you have to pay for shipping, therefore it would be good if someone from US can try it and tell us the results.

 

I bought HP dv6-2005ax with AMD Turion m500 processor a month back. I had a Dell Studio 15 with intel T6400 before that. The DV6 runs cooler than my Studio for sure.

 

The Hp Probook 6545b in my sig runs cooler than the Compal HGL30 listed that I had before, and that's the M600 with what is probably an OEM goo-pad versus a T7200 with Arctic Silver on it.

Oh and your sig automatically updates when you change it.

 

Here are some Y-Cruncher results

Total Computation Time: 35.712 seconds ( 0.010 hours )
Total Time (including writing digits): 36.803 seconds ( 0.010 hours )

CPU Utilization: 191.42 %
Multi-core Efficiency: 95.7098 %

Last Digits:
3803750790 9491563108 2381689226 7224175329 0045253446 : 24,999,950
0786411592 4597806944 2455112852 2554677483 6191884322 : 25,000,000

Benchmark Successful. The digits appear to be OK.

Version: 0.4.4 Build 7762b (fix 2) (x64 SSE3 - Windows ~ Kasumi)
Processor(s): AMD Turion(tm) II Dual-Core Mobile M520
CPU Frequency: 2,294,295,631 Hz (frequency may be inaccurate)
Thread(s): 2
Digits: 25,000,000
Total Time: 35.7119 seconds
Checksum: 949d1540b8c5427a0879add48c502b83

--------------------------------------------------

Total Computation Time: 40.147 seconds ( 0.011 hours )
Total Time (including writing digits): 41.820 seconds ( 0.012 hours )

CPU Utilization: 184.262 %
Multi-core Efficiency: 92.131 %

Last Digits:
3803750790 9491563108 2381689226 7224175329 0045253446 : 24,999,950
0786411592 4597806944 2455112852 2554677483 6191884322 : 25,000,000

Benchmark Successful. The digits appear to be OK.

Version: 0.4.4 Build 7762b (fix 2) (x64 SSE3 - Windows)
Processor(s): Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T6500 @ 2.10GHz
CPU Frequency: 2,100,060,303 Hz (frequency may be inaccurate)
Thread(s): 2
Digits: 25,000,000
Total Time: 40.147 seconds
Checksum: 1c3158f35bb44f2a04dd6b8c02ccbb96

 

i would go with the amd turion II ultra m600 at 2.4 and is faster than the intel cor2duo 2.5 than i did have

 

Can you run the Y-Cruncher app and post the result here?

Thanks

 

Thanks for your benchmarking jcmarfilph, this Y-Cruncher app looks very interesting. It shows results that are comparable to wprime benchmark.

 

You are welcome..

you can view my complete review about Tigris laptop in my sig

 

Looks like the M600 took about the same amount of time (off by about half a second) but required less CPU:

Total Computation Time: 36.351 seconds ( 0.010 hours )
Total Time (including writing digits): 37.440 seconds ( 0.010 hours )

CPU Utilization: 179.083 %
Multi-core Efficiency: 89.5417 %

Last Digits:
3803750790 9491563108 2381689226 7224175329 0045253446 : 24,999,950
0786411592 4597806944 2455112852 2554677483 6191884322 : 25,000,000

Benchmark Successful. The digits appear to be OK.

Version: 0.4.4 Build 7762b (fix 2) (x64 SSE3 - Windows ~ Kasumi)
Processor(s): AMD Turion(tm) II Ultra Dual-Core Mobile M600
CPU Frequency: 2,400,065,967 Hz (frequency may be inaccurate)
Thread(s): 2
Digits: 25,000,000
Total Time: 36.3513 seconds
Checksum: b6a7e4c1c2e7cc4307ae504a1fcce756


I find myself wondering if this is more of an FPU test...

 

I guess you should free-up some resources before you run the Y-Cruncher app. With M600 having 1mb more L2 cache and 100mhz higher speed would get around 32-33sec result.

 

There's no more resources to be freed unless I boot up in safe mode. Have you tried this on an M500 to see what score it gets?

 

With my M520, a normal run would give me 36sec. That 35.xx Ive posted above is an optimized result (removed other background apps)

 

Woww. I'm currently in exactly the same shoes whether to choose Intel T6600 or AMD M520 setup.
But the processor is not anymore my real issue because too many people confirms that M520 is about equal to T6600, which I believe.

My real problem lies in the dedicated graphic.
With Intel T6600, I get Geforce 240m with 1GB DDR3 for sure.
But with M520, I couldn't find any information that confirms the use of DDR3 for graphic memory, even from HP's site. Half people say "DDR2", and someone asked the company's support which replied "DDR2". But then another half people swear it is DDR3. Which one is the truth ?
This is where my problem is.

If HP can confirm it is DDR3 for the Radeon, I will surely take M520 without a doubt because the max memory on board can be expanded to 8GB, than the equivalent T6600 which max only at 4GB.

So, please convince me on this issue asap. DDR2 or DDR3 for Radeon ?

 

the Graphic Memory type has nothing to do with the System Memory type so you should be able to find ATI Radeon with DDR3 or GDDR3 graphic memory.

HP has one model with M520+ATI Radeon 4650 which is better than T6600+GeForce 240m.

 

True. I'm split between :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834115675
and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834157046

I think you meant the later is the one.

 

AFAIK, all mobile hd4650 mounted on HPs have gddr3 or ddr3 ram.
Also it is a bit faster than gt240m, but this mostly depends about clocks.
Also take in account that 1 gb of graphic memory with such chips is pretty USELESS!

 

I think I will go with AMD.....again.
Seems AMD & Me are partners in life

 

According to this page:

http://www.productwiki.com/hp-pavilion-dv6-2144nr/

dv6-2144nr has 1gb of ddr3 memory

 

T6600 or P7450 it is and not T3300 as posted in one notebook review site which I find highly misleading just because it is faster in an obsolete apps. WTH

 

Way to go

 

Misterious, mine M520 gaves me 34.7 seconds in Y-cruncher.

Edit: i see that you guys have a much more ineficient system that can't get most of CPU's. Probably applications working. I closed browser and was ON only a messenger kind app working. But i didn't closed anything more. Antivirus and Firewall were working.

 

woot that was as fast as P8400 result.. ^_^

 

Good

But note that i have 194% CPU utilization and 97% multi core efficiency. Yours have less or much less.

 

@Bullit:

I guess yours is HP Tigris right? And it has 128mb display cache and 128mb sideport thus latency is lower compared to my Toshiba which uses 256mb shared memory or it has dedicated graphics?

 

Mine is a DV7-3020sa with an M520 and a dedicated ATI HD4530.

 

Ok I ran the Y-Cruncher in Safe Mode and got this ^_^

 

If you want i can tell what i have working. For example i have 51 processes on when laptop starts.

 

if you can share, that would be great ^_^

 

I bought an AMD powered CQ61q AthlonX2 m300 formerly had a single core celeron and the only negative I notice is much lower battery life. Bigger screen but still from over 3 hours down to under 2. Very significant but not a big problem for me since I nearly always keep it plugged in.

 

Blame HP/Compaq for battery life. HP dv5 also have poor battery life (average 2 hours), independently from the processor you got in.