CPU core reading on Envy 14 SB

does the CORE VID and CORE SPEED make any sence?

 

Your CPU will automatically throttle to save energy, unless you're on High Performance where windows will force 100% cpu speed.

 

not sure how intensive counter strike source is, but I was running it for a good 5 min, and noticed no change in the core speed nor the VlD.

But you think the above readings are normal right?

EDIT: depending on how intensive my program is (lets say its Battlefield Bad Company 2) the self adjusting cpu will turbo boost if need to 2.9 right? In other words there is no way for me to control the how fast the proc is going, it does it by itself. Reason why I am asking is I was thinking of overclocking, way to scared though ahah

 

Pretty sure you can't overclock it, because there's both a locked multiplier and a TDP barrier. Turn your computer to high performance. It should hit at least 2GHz.

 

I just ran cpu-z on my i5 (not SB) to compare and it was fluctuating from 1.1GHz to 2.4Ghz but mainly stayed around 1.3GHz.

 

As much as I want to look at it in a good way, the test constantly shows that I am less that 1.0 voltage, I have never surpassed that. Also I have never TB'd (turbo boost) past 2.0Ghz.

I ran Real Temp, shows my distance to TJmax is between 60-70...Running call of duty 4 at max only put TJmax to 63, I dont see how It will ever bump my Mhz or Ghz (TB happens at 100c from the videos I have watched) thats wayyyyyyy to hot

But with all that said, maybe I am not understanding what is going (still learning what all these programs do I.E: real temp, cpuz, P95) When running games such as Left 4 Dead 2, I still idle at TJmax 50-55, all core voltage stays that same and the core speed kickd up about .100mhz. So with that said, does this mean the envy is using enough power to run the games? Or does this indicate a problem? My understanding is the faster core speed the more power you will get to run games smoother and yes I know it will also burn the battery aswell but I am plugd in.

Coming from a 2005 AMD desktop processor (LOL) my core speed is always at like 2900mhz and 1.7v (core voltage). I have just never seen anything that low (on my laptop) I mean 800mhz...and .77 core voltage. My friends mac sits at like 1200 Mhz, with like a 1.1 core voltage.

Once again, yes I am not a huge techi but I love to learn, so all are welcome to comment

Thank you!

-Nick

 

TJmax is the maximum temperature your CPU will allow. TJmax should always be at somewhere near 100C, what TJmax are you talking about?

This is a laptop, it can't afford to run the CPU at full blast all the time, so it slows it down when you don't need the extra power. Switch power plans to High Performance and then check your CPU speed.

Also, laptop CPUs will run at a lower voltage, which saves energy.

I don't know about your turbo boost speeds. The SB procs use turbo boost 2.0, so I have no idea how it'll affect the speed because it turbo boosts based on current heat output and whatever to not exceed the TDP too much. The older i-series would boost to maximum when using 1 core, +100MHz when using all 4 actual cores

 

That is my TJmax, I have never seen a peak to 80+ yet so dont know how to get it to 100

 

What are your ambient temps?

And have you tried to switch to High Performance?

 

ambient is like 74F, and yes High Preformance only increases my Brighness and keeps screen off, unless im not seeing other options (I went advanced and edited them)

Quit question on the TJ, is having it low like that bad?

 

That program tells you how many degrees your CPU is away from its maximum, 100C.

As long as your temps are below 80 you should be fine, and your ambient is nice and cool. You shouldn't hit 80, ever. My ambient over here is 30C indoors right now, so naturally my temps would be higher.

High performance should force your CPU to max turbo. Turn it to HP and check out the CPU speed

 

K, Did some more CS:S, pretty much saw something that may be common, and maybe defined as throttling. Alt +Tab from game, opend cpuz, and saw this occur, I would get quick spikes every 3-5 seconds, 798mhz goes to 1500+, .800 core voltage goes to 1.4+, but it wasnt a steady 1500 or 1.4, just comes and goes

 

Could be throttling. Try throttlestop

 

Is throttling something that can lower game preformance?

 

Definitely.

First, though, what kind of FPS are you getting in CSS and under what settings? Just do the FPS test map thing and tell me a number

 

sorry for late response, ok I did a GPU switch, to high preformance, also switched my battery option to High Preformance and I am getting 130-170 fps

On power saving mode, with GPU graphics switchd to high preformance I get around 60 straight FPS, when under heavy load (lots of people in front of me when shooting) its around 20-35fps it spikes quickly so doesnt always stay that way

 

What settings?

I have everything maxed out and I'm getting an average of 80 fps in the video stress test.

Performance shouldn't differ by that much IMO, the graphics are the same...

 

all my settings where maxed out

 

Try running prime or handbrake (movie encoding software). This will push your CPU to its limits. Considering you've a 2630QM, if all cores are used, CPUZ most show cpu freq around 2600mhz. If not CPU is throttling

What are the core and mem clocks of the GPU?

 

If your CPU doesn't throttle when doing the above, try running FurMark along with it. 1-series envies throttle when stressing the GPU and CPU at the same time.

 

Ok, just ran a prime95 test, I will have a screen shot posted below. Had some interesting results, I closed real temp about 3 min in at the beginning, but in about 4 min my cpu shot up to 80C, and it was going higher and higher pretty much always to 90C as you will see.



****NOTE**** During this prime run I wanted to see what exactly CoolSense does, so I tried it out every 10 min. It was either on "cool" or on "Auto", As for the cool mode it pretty much nuked my computers heat by almost taking off or out 40C (that was insane) but I also saw it hit CPUz. What i mean is this, my MHZ was somewhere around 1.6, as for voltage it was around a 1.0? or .989, one coolsense was turned to "Cool" mode, everything dropped back down to LOW (CPUZ showed my core speed a 798mhz and voltage at like .766

Stil not sure what is coolsense, I thought it was a fan, that pretty much takes out a lot of air. To me it seems like a throttle button ha

as for Auto CoolSense, my MHZ were around 2.3Mhz and voltage reached like 1.5. I never saw it TB to 2.9 though, and temps hovered around 70-80 throughout 30 min after the 90C temp was reached

Also, I did not run furmark, But will try some test soon, and how can I get my speed and mem clocks for GPU. I have been trying to find it somewhere no luck. If there is a program to DL, post it ^^

Edit: PRIME95 was ran under Power Save Mode (which I totally for got to switch to HP recommended or High Preformace)

-Nick

 

Switch to your fastest performance mode and redo this test.
And try all the coolsense options again please and post these temps, including cpu frequency.
Your cpu will never hit 2,9Ghz because you own an 2630QM. You will only hit 2,9Ghz on single core tasks, were prime uses ALL cores, than your 2630QM will run on 2,6ghz (if not throttled)

These coolsense: cool mode just downclocks your cpu (obviously this decreases heat) that's normal.
What are your temps in full performance mode?
I own an envy15, but when it reaches 85C fans go 100%, and than it cools down to around 80C.

You can find your graphics core and mem by the GPUz tool. Post a screenshot. Should look like this but with other values:

 

Wow. 90C under power saver? And at a 75F ambient?

O_O

My i7 gets a rock solid 78C at an 85F ambient under solid load (converting FLACs for about 30 minutes under High Performance)

Turn it to high performance. Your fans might pick up and give you lower temps., power saver runs the fans under the passive policy.

As for the CS:S benchmark, I'm kind of surprised that the new SB procs gave you 90 more FPS...

Is that number from the video stress test?

 

On High Preformance + All Maxed settings, the I was hovering again at like 140 fps in css, and this was under heavy game not a stress test, but I will run that to

and today my ambient is like 81-85C (Its hot as S***)

 

Oh, I see.

Well it seems like the E14 SB has slight overheating/throtlling issues...

 

^ This is with Coolsense --option "ON" (at first the fan was very audible, but after about a 1 min or so it went to pretty quite)






This is with Coolsense --option "AUTO"

This entire test was ran at High Preformance option for the battery

The GPUz was not able to pick up anything (dont know whats up with it)

EDIT****: Ran CSS/HL2 stress test got around 119 FPS average, and noticed that my core speed was set 2598Mhz for the entire stress test

 

I noticed in the RealTemp Settings window that you have Disable Turbo checked. Guess what that does? It disables the Intel Turbo Boost feature so your CPU can not go beyond the 20 multiplier. When Turbo Boost is enabled, a 2630QM can use the 29 multiplier when a single core is in the active state.

This newer version of RealTemp fully supports Sandy Bridge but for over heating laptops with Sandy Bridge CPUs, you might want to have a look at ThrottleStop instead since it gives you more control over your CPU than RealTemp does.

RealTemp 3.67
http://www.mediafire.com/?jibd769x6z7n0c8

 

Ya that first posting was also with save mode so pretty much scratch the first page. And I will get the update and look into throttlestop, What kind of control can I get out of throttlestop

 

mmmmmmm, This might burn a bit, After running L4D2, I was also running CPUz, alt tabing here and there, what I noticed is that everytime I alt tabbed I could see a split second of my core speed, it was at 2700mhz. Every time I switch to desktop it goes to 798mhz, so pretty much, everything is normal and there is no throttling? I mean, I dont know how I over looked this...

 

ALT+TAB is not an accurate way to determine what your CPU is doing while gaming. You're better off running RealTemp or ThrottleStop with the Log File option checked so you will have a record of what your CPU was doing. If you have any throttling episodes, keep track of the time it happened at and then after the game you can have a look at the log to see if anything was wrong.

Some well respected programs are not that accurate when lightly loaded because they have been designed for validation purposes. Here's what the programmer of CPU-Z has to say.

 

very nice, thats for that post. Gonna try Tmonitor, and Throttlestop today, Also is how do I get GPUz to work, it seems like it doesnt read anything off my card?

 

Be careful with TMonitor. It reports a load modified multiplier which at times has absolutely nothing to do with the actual multiplier the CPU is using. Here's how the discussion with the programmer went if you want some further info.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?179044-Real-Temp-New-temp-program-for-Intel-Core-processors&p=4571661&viewfull=1#post4571661

ThrottleStop tells it like it is based on Intel's recommended monitoring methods.

Try running a program like Furmark for a few seconds and then start GPU-Z. It almost looks like it is unable to read your GPU, perhaps because it is asleep and you are running on the Intel GPU. If that doesn't work then check again when the next version comes out to see if support has been added. W1zzard that wrote GPU-Z continues to update and maintain it but I know from experience that we never have access to enough new hardware for some hands on testing so it can take a while when a new GPU is released.

 

I am looking at the file right now, have no Idea why that is coming up

Also here is my GPU stuff you wanted to see



GPUz LOG



GPU while playing source

 

Did you unzip the folder that RealTemp comes in and its entire contents to a folder on your computer? I just checked the download and it works for me.

You have to go into the GPU-Z sensors window and put a check mark beside the option:

Continue refreshing this screen while GPU-Z is in the background.

It looks like GPU-Z is recognizing your GPU correctly. The Bus Interface box that shows your PCI-E 2.0 card that supports a x16 interface and is only running at x1 is a little worrisome. If this is true it will kill GPU performance. That could be a bug in the bios. Try comparing to other users with the same laptop or a similar laptop from a different manufacturer.

 

PCI-E 2.0 x 16 @ x8 2.0 is what I am looking at now, that is during game play