CRAPPY REVIEWS !! dv6 dv7

I just went to the HP site to check out the reviews of the new HP Pavilion Notebooks. They look pretty sick to me. SWITCHABLE GRAPHICS FLAW! Its right in you face! I dont see how HP can ignore this. There are too many people that are voicing this for everyone to see for it to go unnoticed by HP! Or will it continue to be IGNORED by HP? I personally would feel that I HAD to address the issue and soon if it were my responsibility. It would seem to me that some heads in HP would be rolling over this. But here we all still sit with no acknowledgement of the problem from the powers that be at HP! It just seems to me they dont care about their customers. Dont care that their product does not work as prescribed! Not bothered that their name is being dragged through the mud. What do you think? Will they finally respond to the many numerous alegations of the Switchable Graphics FLAW!?

 

I agree with you--HP doesn't seem to care much about their customers. the only reason I've bought so many of their products is that I rarely need support. When HP dropped the ball as they did on the latest DV6 & 7, my solution was to return my DV6 for refund. I also returned an earlier DV6 that had other issues that were not solvable.

Not only is there an issue with switchable graphics, but the latest units (and even my 6000 DV6) also don't have portrait mode. I've used portrait mode because I have one of my home office monitors mounted on an wall mount that pivots 360 degrees, which provides a great way to view the web. I've never seen any other desktop or laptop without portrait mode. I called HP about it and they have NO SOLUTION--just like with the SG issue. Very lame.

 

Oh crap! Is this a driver issue as well, or are we screwed?

 

Its a driver issue... It will be fixed eventually...

 

One would think that the programmers would check these things out before they mass-produce and then figure out some sort of damage control.

 

It wasn't a mistake. AMD have done it deliberately for whatever reason.

 

HP is spread too thin. Think about all the products that HP makes, at any point in time. They obviously don't pay attention to all the things they should because they have too many irons in the fire.

 

HP doesn't really care much about their consumer line.

They pretty much focus on the business line, where you get support and solutions really quick.

 

Damn it! ok so i bought this exact laptop 2 weeks ago and they said its coming in 7/20 ish but i have a couple of question :

1. i bought this laptop for gaming and watching movies (World of Warcraft, Crisis and Blue ray videos..) because of the Switch able graphic thing doesnt work.... would this cause a lag, and would be bad graphics?

2. Would they fix if i send them the laptop with the problem?

Im sorry if they are stupid question but i would like them answered

 

As for bluray, the Intel can run it flawlessly, been like that for the last couple generations.
But your current model currently supports WiDi 2.0, not 2.1.

 

im a big gamer.... should i reture the laptop bc of the Switch able graphics doesnt work. bc my other choice was a xps 17?

 

for the 9999th time if you just play games you probably will encounter 0 problems with switchable graphics not working. most major modern games are DirectX

 

then what is the graphic card used for?

 

lol dude cmon read the sticky at the top of the forum http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...xx-read-here-answers-switchable-graphics.html

to put it in layman's terms, games can run on different frameworks. two of these are opengl and directx. switchable graphics, when it works, recognizes that you are playing a game and uses the more powerful graphics card. the problem is that this switching doesn't work with opengl games, while it does work with directx games. world of warcraft and crysis both use directx so you won't have a problem.

 

When doing an RMA to return my DV7T the guy in chat said HP had already "Assesed" the issue then sent some scripted garbage about how every component goes through stringent testing blah blah. HP not going to do a thing about it....hopefully AMD will.

 

Did you read this thread?

Link: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-pavilion-notebooks/590646-faq-if-you-thinking-have-ordered-your-dv6-7-61xx-read-here-answers-switchable-graphics.html

 

In some other forum some people are saying that even in DirectX games, the 61xx perform 5% or so slower than the 60xx. Is this true?

 

Could be as the 60xx notebooks have manual graphic switching where the Radeon has a direct connection to the display. The 61xx are like NVIDIA Optimus where only the Intel IGP is connected, and the rendering the Radeon does gets routed through it. There's probably some latency there, which would have a detrimental impact on performance.

 

Ah damn. I don't know whether to return this laptop or what.

Think HP would solve the OpenGL problem?

 

I think the 5% performance thing is more speculation than anything. Haven't seen any actual proof of it yet.

 

Well I chose to keep my laptop even though it has this problem. I feel like HP and/or AMD Ati will address the issue in time. I am not so affected by the issue personally but if I were a graphical intensive user or Gamer I would seriously think about whether to keep this unit. Cant believe that HP will not deal with this issue in light of what is being said on the reviews on their website. I dont think it is unusual to have technology out in the channel that is not 100% correctly functioning. You see it often with driver revision being so common these days. I just think that HP is so large that they need bolder to fall on their head before you get their attention.

 

Actually, I think consensus here has been that the 6100 series is slightly faster than 6000 series, based on what we're seeing when comparing framerates in the same games. Either way, it's the same card, so differences will be minimal. It could also be variances between the drivers or 1gb vs 2gb cards. It's tough to say, because you can't do a straight benchmark comparison, since the dynamic switching impacts 3DMark Vantage, which is currently the best comparison tool.

 

Why don't we start a thread where the first post will list detailed benchmarks of everyone who participates?

Right now if you want to find benchmarks for the HP you have to look everywhere, but if we had a thread we could centralize it

 

It's part guess part estimate. Our 3DMark11 vs the 6000 series scores are lower across the board (assuming that youre benching and comparing using the same drivers that is).

There is latency there with the hand off from IGP to dGPU and then back again with the push thru of rendered images back to the IGP and out to your screen.

We could try an ingame test as jiggawhat suggests.

 

What game should I try to compare FPSs? I.e. which one has the biggest sample size on this forum.

Also, casual Photoshoppers wouldn't be affected by the OpenGL issue, or is the Intel integrated card worthless for that too?

 

By the way, with the new drivers yesterday, did you get up to near 7000 with Vantage?

 

Maybe a DX11 game would be best. Im not sure which though. I only play SC2 which I think is DX9.

 

Yeah, but how do you know that's not due to drivers/other factors?

Maybe you're right, but I think we should do some more tests before saying it's due to the switchable graphics.

 

Also the portion where I rest my left palm gets heated a lot during gaming. Will probably get used to it though. Would a cooling pad take care of this problem?
Also is there a way to make the laptop cool down quickly after gaming i.e. a switch/option to increase fan speed for a while?

 

kurosawa I didn't try it out but I will - I was testing out Crysis demo for the most part.

 

How am i supposed to check my GPU temps? HWMonitor shows Intel integrated graphics that too 0 degrees C