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    Clean Vista install WITH NO ACTIVATION

    Discussion in 'HP' started by orev, Apr 29, 2007.

  1. sb123

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    Hello =)

    Has anyone been able to make an updated tutorial for the HDX9250 series, with the new drivers etc?

    Would it be better to install Vista x86 or x64?

    Thanks!
     
  2. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    Nothing in the guide would really change for the new systems. This guide does not really get into details about which drivers you need to install, etc..., so it remains agnostic to specific model numbers. The bulk of it is a walk-through of the Vista install itself.

    Drivers would come after and it's more up to the user to be able to install them. As you install the drivers, it really doesn't matter what order you go in, as long as you all get them in within the course of the install. Personally, I do chipset and video first, then wireless if that's not working yet, then everything else.
     
  3. sb123

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    I got 84 processes running currently, do you believe doing a clean install, then installing everything would speed up my laptop, rather than causing more issues?

    Thanks =)
     
  4. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    Careful, you hit a nerve there. I've ranted about this a lot on this forum, so I'll try to keep it brief:

    The number of processes has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH PERFORMANCE ON YOUR SYSTEM. Period.

    Frankly it's an idiotic measurement, and you should tell anyone else you see who discussing "number of processes" that they have no idea what they are talking about.

    As for the clean install itself, you will probably see some performance increase simply because there is not as much stuff installed on the system. The F-A-Q in the main guide talks about this a bit.
     
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  5. Lao

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    Orev, isn't the number of processes running in the background somehow directly related to how many programs are installed?

    It seems logic that the more installed programs you have, the more processes will run in the background, causing the system to perform slower.
     
  6. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    Nope, there's no correlation at all. Most programs you install do NOT add a running process until you actually run the program. Programs like Photoshop, your web browser, etc... only add a process when they are running.

    Other programs DO install things that run in the background, like firewalls, and some things have updaters or quicklaunchers that run on startup. Some of them are necessary for the service the program is providing to you, and others can be just crap.

    A clean install can reduce the number of programs that run in the background that you don't need, because many pre-installed programs are ones that you don't need.

    Processes definitely do effect system performance, but not because of the number of them. The only thing that effects performance is the amount of RAM, CPU, network, etc... The sheer number of processes is irrelevant.
     
  7. sb123

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    The way I use to see it was that, when you first boot your computer, without loading any other applications such as Internet Browsers, Media Players etc. You then see how many processes are running, and you can compare that to how many run straight after a clean install.

    A computer with Windows XP and 20 processes after a Clean Install, will at least boot faster if not run faster than a XP machine with 50+ processes. Some processes take up very little RAM, but they all add up.

    I do also understand that you can get 20 processes that use 50MB ram each, where you can get 100 that only use 2MB, and thats less for the system.

    Is this wrong?

    =)
     
  8. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    Notice: v3loc1ty2.0 et all on this thread:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=240320
    have uncovered new download links that work to obtain the Vista files from digitalriver. This is great for anyone who needs the discs. They are the RTM version (don't have integrated SP1).
     
  9. mckinneydij

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    So... it is not the NUMBER OF PROCESSES running on a system that has a hit on performance, but rather the AMOUNT OF MEMORY they tie up and the effectiveness of the OS and available system hardware in managing processes in RAM and caching on the HD?
     
  10. orev

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    Yes.
    .....
     
  11. shocker3000

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    I am going insane trying to get a vista disc to do a clean install. I cant seem to find the folder on my computer (any pointers on finding it?) Also the link to buy a install disc from microsoft is not working for me, is there anywhere else I can buy it from? Thanks.
     
  12. radopod

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    Download it or borrow from someone!
     
  13. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    Yeah, it's sort of a pain now. Unfortunately, you now need to be a bit more creative to find the install discs :(
     
  14. eureka

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    Hello,

    I recently installed a fresh Vista to my DV2500t laptop. All is well, however my fingerprint reader seems to be not working. I installed the Digitalpersona Software and also provided a driver Authentec Inc. My laptop says the fingerprint reader is not connected but the it's integrated. Anyone knows the solution for this?
     
  15. orev

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    Open up the device manager and see if you have any yellow question marks next to any devices. Otherwise, I would try reinstalling the driver again.
     
  16. therock

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    I'm getting ready to install a new HDD in my dv6000t. I have a upgrade anytime DVD and the OE backup DVD set.

    So...... I guess I just get the serial backup thing done. Yank my old HDD, a nice backup isn't it?

    I have all my drivers backed up already on a DVD.

    Then boot to upgrade anytime and go?

    Can life be this simple.
     
  17. eureka

    eureka Notebook Enthusiast

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    Orev, I've done the same but no luck..
     
  18. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    Yes.

    In the Device Manager, do you see a group called "Personal identification devices"? Is there anything under that, like "AuthenTec Inc. ..."? If so, the device is installed correctly.

    When you say, "My laptop says the fingerprint reader is not connected..", what says it's not connected? It's not the whole laptop itself, it's some software that's in the laptop.
     
  19. eureka

    eureka Notebook Enthusiast

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    Yes there is that AuthenTec Inc. The device is installed properly and I used the backup SWSETUP to install its driver.
    [​IMG]

    Here's the photo when I'm trying to enroll my fingerprint.
    [​IMG]

    Can the BIOS turn off the Fingerprint port?
     
  20. ubuntu214

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    PLEASE HELP

    i did every thing here and it worked like a charm. EXCEPT for my webcam..

    my computer cannot install it, an error occured..

    i downloaded drivers for my cam from HP but still no luck.

    my model is HP PAVILION dv6750

    need your help Thanks.
     
  21. eureka

    eureka Notebook Enthusiast

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    ubuntu214,

    Did you install the Cyberlink Youcam? Did you check the Device Manager if the your laptop detects the webcam?
     
  22. ubuntu214

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    hi eureka.

    i tried installing the Cyberlink Youcam software but a message stating that "no webcam found" was shown before the process ended..

    i tried looking At the device manager as well and there is an icon called "Other Devices" shown, and below it is the "Hp Webcam Driver" with a yellow exclamation point right next to it.

    :(
     
  23. theseadragon

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    I just followed this guide to do a clean install on my buddy's Toshiba Satellite and it worked great (gave rep to orev for writing the guide, thanks!).

    My question: After doing a clean install of Vista AND installing SP1, if we create restore disks, using the backup utility in Vista, will the restore disks have SP1 as part of the restoration? Meaning that, if we use the disks to restore the system again, will SP1 already be a part of the OS?

    If this is a dopey question, apologies in advance. :eek:
     
  24. therock

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    On a new, fresh out of the box, never connected HDD when doing a clean install, is it neccesarry to do a full (several hours long) format apposed to a quick format?
     
  25. orev

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    Since it shows in the device manager correctly, the drivers for it are installed. I'm not familiar with the DigtalPersona software, but there may be a setting in it somewhere that allows you to choose the device. It looks like a problem with the digitalpersona, not the drivers.

    The Recovery Discs that are created by the HP recovery software only make an image of the recovery partition. That partition never gets changed, so it does not matter what else you do to the computer. The Recovery Discs made with that method will always restore the system to just out of the box.

    There is other software, like Acronis TrueImage or the built-in Vista complete PC backup (Ultimate only) that can make an image of the currently installed software. That is a different issue and not the same as the "Recovery Discs".
     
  26. nobscot6

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    NOPE- quick format is fine.....
     
  27. creekdweller

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    I luckily downloaded all the files on April 8th before the link went down :) I have been trying to create the .iso to then burn and am having trouble doing it. Using this method http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/...ootable-iso-image-from-vista-win-image-files/
    and using the command prompt method. The error on the command prompt is:
    Scanning source tree complete (614 files n 113 directories)
    Computing directory information complete
    Image file is 2711650304 bytes
    ERROR: Unable to create file "C:\Vistax86.iso" of 2711650304 bytes
    Error 5: Access is denied.

    Then back to the original prompt. The version with the GUI also states access i denied. I scoured the thread to read before asking but did not see this.

    Any ideas? I am not command prompt literate but really want to follow Orev's guide.
     
  28. Needmore4less

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    Great guide Orev.

    I also made a clean install of Vista to my laptop, is working good without all that bloatware, but I realized that when I open a Window, IE or Firefox the PC lags..

    What could be the cause?

    Thanks
     
  29. orev

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    Make sure you have permissions to make the file in the C:\, and also that you have enough disk space to create the whole image. Sometimes I get an Access Denied error, and just retry and it will work. Also try to make the image in another folder that might allow you to make it.

    If that doesn't work, try to use a method like vLite which might work better.

    When you first reinstall, Vista needs to learn your usage patterns. You are probably used to the speed that SuperFetch gives you. I'm not sure how long it takes, but you should start to see better performance in a few days.
     
  30. Needmore4less

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    Wow I didn't know Windows Vista has learning skills

    lol

    I'll check the performance of the laptop, it's Uber Up to date though...

    Thanks Orev ;)
     
  31. flipfire

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    yes it learns depending on your pattern usage. it puts your programs in priorities for quicker loading
     
  32. creekdweller

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    Thanks orev, I will give this a shot at work tomorrow. I have plenty of space (brand new HDX) and I gave it permission to copy the file there but no joy. I appreciate your monitoring of your thread.
     
  33. creekdweller

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    Had to go back to work to try it out. Works perfectly and will do do clean install this weekend when back in town. rep power to ya.
     
  34. therock

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    Getting ready to clean install to a new HDD and would like to put the OE Roxio Basic burning software back on. I cannot ID it in the swsetup folder.

    Can I?
     
  35. orev

    orev Notebook Virtuoso

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    In each folder in swsetup there is a file with a .CVA extension. If you open that up in notepad, you will find a description of the software in that folder.
     
  36. therock

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    muchas garscias!
     
  37. therock

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    Well, for the life of me I cannot find the roxio installer or setup.exe.

    Not mentioned in this clean install thread is if you can or cannot recover any of the bloatware you like.
    I want a clean install but want the original roxio (bloatware?) too. So......

    Anyone done this? I find references to it and the .cva but that's it.
     
  38. orev

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    My swsetup folder comes from a dv9500, so it might be out of date, but the Roxio software for me is in a folder called "RoxioCB9".

    If you can post a screenshot or a directory listing of your swsetup folder, maybe someone can help find it.
     
  39. flipfire

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    Roxio isnt a great burning program to be honest. There are freewares that can do a much better job. I wouldnt bother installing it again

    Try ImgBurn
     
  40. Needmore4less

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    How accurate is the Windows Vista Device Manager looking for the component's drivers using the Update Driver Software who searches on line?

    Edit: some typo I made while was thinking on something else lol
     
  41. therock

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    Can you point me at one? I just backup files and dsts. I don't rip and video. I need a simple setup.
     
  42. Needmore4less

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    Anyone knows?... :err:
     
  43. orev

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    No one can answer that. It seems to work, but who can really tell that information?

    Also off topic for this thread.
     
  44. Needmore4less

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    Well, actually I don't think my comment was an off topic for this thread

    Why? When someone do a clean install some of the drivers may being outdated, so, you might want to check for the latest drivers using Windows vista device manager, just a thought...
     
  45. orev

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    From what I've seen, Windows Update will pick up on any new drivers that it knows about and offer them to you. They usually show up as optional updates. My guess is that would be the same way it works through the device manager.

    However, not all driver updates are sent from the OEM to Microsoft, so you're better off checking the page for your system on the OEM site.
     
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    FYI, The Windows Marketplace link is no longer valid.
     
  47. Sac9700

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    I ran into the exact same issue last night. I did a clean install of Vista Ultimate x64 and loaded the drivers from the SWSetup folder. I then installed DigitalPersona from the same folders, and that's when I ran into the issue that you describe.

    To fix this, I downloaded and installed AuthenTec Inc. AES2501 Fingerprint Driver followed by DigitalPersona Fingerprint Software for Microsoft Windows Vista (64-bit) from the HP website, and everything is working perfectly now.

    Hope this helps.
     
  48. flipfire

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    If you have SP1, it might conflict with the stock autentec fingerprint drivers, you need to download the latest one on the HP website

    http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=screenshots
     
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    Thanks for the write up! I followed the steps for an .ISO from Digital River but upon install I receive the following error just after I enter my product key:

    Windows cannot open the required file D:\sources\install.wim. The file may be corrupt or missing. Make sure all file required for installation are available and restart the installation. Error code: 0x80070570

    Has anyone seen this error? Thanks-
     
  50. orev

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    It sounds like the install.wim file was not included in the file when you made the ISO. Make sure that file is on the disc under the "Sources" folder.

    PS. You should not be entering the product key during the install phase. ABR will take care of that for you later. Entering the product key now might cause the activation to fail later.
     
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