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    DV9500/Nvidia8600M GS Temperatures

    Discussion in 'HP' started by Juptris, May 13, 2008.

  1. Juptris

    Juptris Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello. I'm trying to find out if my DV9500 is running warmer than average. Idle, my gpu runs anywhere from 40*C to 60*C depending on both how long the laptop has been on and the ambient temperature. While rendering a 3D game, my gpu runs at temperatures approaching 95*C, depending on how much it has to render. For instance, while playing World of Warcraft, the gpu tends to average at 85*C.

    Could owners of DV9500s (or anyone who may know something) post their temperatures for idle and full load?

    Note: the gpu is an Nvidia 8600M GS

    Idle: 40*C - 60*C
    Load: 85*C +
     
  2. Juptris

    Juptris Notebook Enthusiast

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    No takers?
     
  3. flipfire

    flipfire Moderately Boss

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    Its in range, but on the warm side...

    anymore than 85c is considered a little hot. You might wanna invest on a notebook cooler
     
  4. emedici

    emedici Notebook Consultant

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    FlipFire is right. I find your temps too high. I tested mine to compare with your temps and mine runs between 55 to 70 C degrees Idle and gaming. I was playing company of heroes for an hour and the highest temp it reached was 71 C.

    I have a notebook cooler and undervolted my cpu (don't know if it help or not) but definitely a notebook cooler is a must.
     
  5. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    i have a notebook cooler
    mines idle between 47-53
    gaming up to 73

    plus mines is overclocked very high
    what driver are you using
     
  6. emedici

    emedici Notebook Consultant

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    dondadh88, how did you manage to get your nvidia overclocked? what driver are you using? I haven't been able to make mine work.
     
  7. flipfire

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    HP's vBIOS wont let you OC with drivers higher than 169.04
     
  8. dondadah88

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    yep that's what driver i used 169.04
     
  9. Juptris

    Juptris Notebook Enthusiast

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    I'm using 167.26 from Laptopvideo2go. I purchased a cooler* a few months ago and it made an impact on my temperatures.

    I was asking for a consensus on the temperature because I've already lost a gpu due to heat damage. HP replaced my system board for free (warentee).

    I've spoken with HP and they've requested that I send the laptop in for an inspection to see if anything is wrong with the hardware.

    My current thought is that perhaps the heatsink has accumulated an excess amount of dust**, but wouldn't they have checked that when I sent it in for repairs the first time? I'm perfectly comfortable with building a desktop from a barebones kit, but I don't know if I'd trust myself with opening my laptop. I've taken a look at the steps required to get at the heatsink and they make me nervous.

    I think I'm just going to toss my Vista hard drive back in and sent it to HP. Speaking of Vista! Did you know that HP refuses to support laptops with XP installed?

    * http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834998492

    ** This makes sense as my room as quite dusty and my laptop spent a few months in a less than dust free part of my room. I've tried using compressed air to clean my fan and heatsink without opening the case but it didn't work.

    edit: I have a temporary solution in place. I have set up Rivatuner so that it underclocks my gpu when my temperatures have reached 90*C, and then restores the default clock speed when they're at 75*C. It is very makeshift and I'm in the market for a better solution.
     
  10. flipfire

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    If the notebook hasnt been checked/inspected for 5months or more, chances are dust have accumulated. HP might have skipped this.

    -Try cleaning the fans yourself. (Read the service manual)

    -Try using a different driver.

    -Try undervolting
     
  11. Juptris

    Juptris Notebook Enthusiast

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    The system board was replaced by HP three weeks ago. The screen was garbled with artifacts and the system would crash(freeze/lock up) shortly after startup. I've used a number of different drivers over the 10 month span I've been with this laptop. They have never effected the temperature.

    I'm currently in the process of undervolting.
     
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    whats your CPU temps?... this will be a good reference to how well your cooling system is working
     
  13. Juptris

    Juptris Notebook Enthusiast

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    They maxed out at 68*C when I did the 10 minute test with ORTHOS.

    The CPU is currently undervolted by .125 or so volts (running at 1.237 volts with a 10.0X multiplier)

    I'm 15 minutes into my second tourture test and my CPU temperature has dropped by 7*C, to 61*C.

    I'll continue to lower the voltage for the CPU but my main concern is my Nvidia 8600M GS and it's 80-90*C temperature at it's standard clock speed. I realize I can fix this through underclocking but it bothers me that I'm limiting my hardware just so it doesn't kill itself.

    I love your undervolting guide!

    edit: These temperatures are without the aid of my notebook cooler.
     
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    Since the CPU and GPU share the same fan and heatsink, when you undervolt the CPU it will also cool down the GPU a little

    You should be able to achieve at least .150v less for the highest multiplier
     
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    I attempted to undervolt by an additional .150V, to 1.0875V, but ORTHOS started complaining of a hardware failure. I backed off to my previous setting and lowered that by .025V. I'm currently testing that.
     
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    Juptris Notebook Enthusiast

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    I've undervolted my cpu by an average of .25V off each multiplier. My CPU is running around 12*C cooler than it used to, but my GPU temperature is still extremely high. It didn't change.
     
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    I've attached a reading from CPUID Hardware Monitor.

    The HDD temperature is warmer than normal. It generally stays around 40*C.

    The temperature reduction for the CPU is great, but sadly it had no impact on my GPU.

    Thanks for your help!
     

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    Juptris Notebook Enthusiast

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    Are there any suggestions for Nvidia 8600M GS out there?

    dondadah88: What games do you run? I want to see what temperature I reach while playing one.
     
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    the only cooling solution left is applying Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste.

    unless you wanna underclock
     
  20. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    ut3
    crysis
    world in conflic
    frontlines fuel of war
    kane and lynch
    blacksite area 51

    plus more
     
  21. Juptris

    Juptris Notebook Enthusiast

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    I've played World in Conflict a few times but the temperature never dipped as low as yours. Looks like I'll try to apply some Arctic Silver 5. I should have some in my desk somewhere.

    Now, are there any shortcuts or do I need to disassemble my laptop to the degree shown in the manual. I have a desktop I can use to reference the manual so lack of reference won't be a problem.
     
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    Hey guys, about the undervolting topic I have to say that my actual config using RMAClock is as follow:
    From 6.0x to 7.0x = 0.950v
    From 8.0x to 9.0x = 0.962v
    10.0x = 0.975
    11.0x = 0.987 (here it gets 2.2Ghz)

    I used Orthos for one hour and stressed my system with this config and there was no problem. Maybe those having the same CPU (mine is Merom, I'm not sure) as I do could try this config, it works great.
     
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    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    can i underclock mines lower c2d 1.5ghz
     
  25. emedici

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    I guess so, dondadh88. Try this sticky. Remember, DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK... although there is no risk with undervolting all you can recieve is BSOD, that's all.
     
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    Emedeci, i suggest doing a final 2-3 hour stability test for the highest multiplier and at least 1hr on all the others (except for 6x idle)

    dondadah: yes.. no known risks, no performance loss.

    I suggest using the guide in my sig.
     
  27. Juptris

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    I got midway into taking my laptop apart and decided to stop. I didn't feel comfortable going beyond where I already was, which was the part where I had to remove the motherboard. I just didn't feel comfortable and I didn't want to damage the laptop. I managed to do some damage to a speaker, but I think it's because of the way I put something back in. I could go back in and fix it but I use headphones so it doesn't really matter.
     
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    Alright Flipfire, I will stress my system 2-3 hours and will publish my results. Thanx for the suggestion. ;)
     
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    Ok. Taking Flipfire advice, I ran the Orthos software to my CPU for three hours using the above configuration for undervolting my CPU. The test ran without no problems, and the highest temp reached by my cpu was 80 C.

    I feel really pleased with this result, maybe they could work for anyone wishing to push their cpu as low as possible. Regards!!!
     
  30. Seppo

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    Hey All,

    I found this thread while searching for issues w/ my HP DV9500. It has an Nividia 8600M GS graphics card that has given me problems twice now. I had to send it in for warranty repairs (thanks Costco) twice almost a month apart to replace the logic board. What really died was the GPU. It fried twice with the same artifacts that Juptris talks about in his post ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3352885&postcount=11).

    Well, I just got the computer back and reinstalled Vista and all my programs. While doing this I discovered some very interesting things I'd like to share with you.

    1. Elevated vs. Unelevated: I know a lot of you spoke about cooling pads. These are always nice to help keep laptops cool (especially when I owned the HP ZD8000 - that beast was HOT!). However, when I purchased my DV9500 I also bought the HP xb4 Docking Station. The computer sits nicely in the docking station, however I noticed that the space between the flat surface and the bottom of the laptop is very thin. I mean it's just like it was sitting on a table. Very little room for air to move and ventilate.

      I decided to run some tests using the CPUID Hardware Monitor program mentioned in this thread. I found that core temps were reaching 91-93 degrees Celsius when maxed out using the Orthos stress test. WHOA! That's hot. I ran the test again, but this time elevated the rear portion of the laptop off the docking station surface using this long, sturdy, triangle shaped piece of cardboard I cut from a shipping box. Rerunning the same test I found the cores only reached a max of 81-84 degrees. Quite a savings me thinks. Moral of lesson: Elevate the rear of your laptop if not using a cooling pad.

    2. One Monitor vs. Dual Monitors: This one really amazed me. I have an external LCD monitor that I use to extend my desktop workspace. When I don't have the external monitor attached, the GPU temperature idles at 55 degrees C. However, as soon as I attach and activate the external monitor ... BOOM ... the GPU temp rises to and idles at 63-64 degrees. WHY IS THIS? Is the GPU working that much harder by displaying images on two screens rather than just one?

    Again, my GPU has fried twice now. Perhaps it's b/c the GPU idles @ 63 degrees when having an external monitor attached..?? Ironically, the two times it has fried was when I returned to the computer after several hours. The screens were sleeping (off) and the computer locked my account (as it should). As soon as I moved the mouse to reactivate the computer, the screens came on, I logged in, and whamo.....random flickering artifacts. :confused:

    With regards to undervolting, I followed the instructions to a T and tested every multiplier to find the lowest stable voltage I could use. I've attached a RM Clock screen shot to show my settings. How do they compare with other DV9500 (8600M GS) computer owners?

    Thanks again for this thread!

    - Seppo
     

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