ENVY 15t-j000 mSATA SSD + HDD fresh install, with mSATA as boot drive

Doubt they will. They never go back.

 

The HP Maintenance and Service Guide says for the SSD slot (pg 26): "24-GB solid-state drive (for use only on computer models equipped with an Intel processor)"

Is that correct? Can an SSD be installed in a J model with an AMD processor?

It also says (pg 5): "Solid-state drive Support for 24-GB mSATA solid-state drive (not available on computer models equipped with 16834-MB or 12288-MB system memory)"

Is having that much memory a problem in installing an after-market SSD?

Thanks! Hoping to get a new HP at Costco and looking at the options.

 

On the Intel model there is no problem with 16GB and the mSATA SSD. I have factory isntalled 16GB and I added a 256GB mSATA SSD with no issues.

 

You may have to avoid going back to bios after you connect your sata HDD, also make sure you have single "unallocated" on HDD (best if you use USB to SATA)--you can re-format later inside windows.

 

i agree, i do have factory installed 16GB RAM and added 128GB mSATA SSD, boots from mSATA SSD and runs fast without any issues.

 

That did the trick - never would've thought of it! Thanks so much!

 

In case you need to go to bios in future for whatever reason, it may knock out your boot from mSATA, but just detach SATA cable from HDD and reboot -everything will be perfect (don't have to screw/close back cover everytime), and you can connect HDD after successful boot (don't format -all your data will be safe)

 

That's amazing, if idiotic - given that the point of BIOS is to choose the various options and not have them chosen for you on load!

 

i've here an envy 15-j022el and a crucial m500 msata

i've no windows 9 home cd ore usbboot key

now , on the laptop there isn't any windows 8 key and the one i've take from the system ( by a software ) doesn't work to download a legal copy iso from microsoft website

how i can get it ? there's no ESD folder onthe original hard disk...

 

now i've found a iso of windows 8 , tell me if i made the correct way

- take the win7 tools to create a bootable usb device with the iso of windows 8 that i've found
- put inside a folder with the intel driver
- put DISABLE on legacy mode and on secure boot

then i've removed the original hdd and put only the msata disk

- power on
- press esc to select boot
- then F9

hten nothing apared , no devide found

where i make a mistake ? ...--------------> SOLVED!!!



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now i've enabled LEGACY and the usb stick has found, then windows 8 install start...
i've select the msata ( auto found by te install ) and the system is now installing the os...

perfect , now is working

now i try to use it some hours then i clean the 1tb ( that is not now installed ) and put for data use..

now , if the system runs good , the legacy in the bios is better if used enabled or disabled ?

 

i've mounted now the ( formatted ) 1tb original disk...and now the msata is not founded by the system...
how i can fix it ?

 

I fixed mine by selling it.

 

other method to solve this ?

 

Unless your BIOS is v.24 then no.

 

The above post is not correct. You can get this done with the current (F36) BIOS - it is just slightly more of a pain in the butt.

You should not need legacy mode enabled to use an mSSD provided that you format the mSSD with GPT partition data (and not MBR).

'Legacy mode on' means boot with BIOS - needed for Win7 and other operating systems that do not support UEFI. 'Legacy mode off' means boot with UEFI.

The instructions on the first page are still largely correct:

- Turn secure boot OFF and leave legacy mode OFF.
- You should copy the Intel RST driver from HP's support page to your Windows install USB drive, and load the driver during installation
- The factory HDD should be removed when installing Windows 8 - you should complete the entire install process and have a functioning, bootable Windows 8 install before you replace the factory HDD (which should have all its partitions deleted as well - I advise you to create restore discs first if you haven't already)
- Once Windows 8 is installed, enter BIOS and RE-enable Secure Boot. Reboot and verify that everything is working correctly with the SSD. Power off.
- Reconnect the factory HDD.
- Do not enter BIOS Setup with the factory HDD connected or else it will stop booting from the mSSD and you will have to disconnect it, reboot, power off, and reconnect it.

I don't quite understand what you were saying about your Windows 8 ISO and license key - you should not need a special key as it is stored in the system BIOS.

I have my Touchsmart 15 Select-j100 running perfectly with an M500 480 GB mSSD and the factory 1 TB hybrid drive. The only nuisance is to remember not to ever go into BIOS...but there's not any reason to anyway.

EDIT: Please note that 'Legacy mode on' in the above post does not mean 'turn legacy mode on' - it is just an explanation of what legacy mode is. If you are trying to install a non-UEFI operating system (like Windows 7) then you do indeed want legacy mode on. It is also possible to install Win8 with legacy mode on and I don't know that you're losing anything terribly important except a couple seconds of boot time. But at least with F36 in the current generation (-j100) of QUAD and SELECT Envy laptops, at no time do you need to turn on legacy mode.

 

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now , i've make a mistake before ( connect the hdd and loose the booting msata )

i've now the msata with full windows installed, and the hdd ( formatted ) is not connected...i replace the "old setting" ( legacy enabled , secure boot disabled ) ...and the pc start well..

now , i've to restart , entry in the bios and put legacy disabled and secure boot enabled right ? if i made this , the msata is not recognized by the boot...

 

You need to follow the steps posted "my posts few pages back" or above post by "Aquitaine" , Why do you need legacy boot?

Create UEFI USB from windows 8/8.1 iso using Rufus with GPT option, and also make sure your mSATA is GPT, if you do -you will not have any problem, install with default BIOS (secure +UEFI enabled), after successful boot do not again go back to BIOS, everything will be perfect.

 

Almost but not quite - once you're at the point where your msata SSD has the full windows install, enter BIOS *before* reconnecting the hdd. Re-enable secure boot.

You should never have to change legacy mode to enabled. Do not install windows with legacy mode enabled and do not enable legacy mode at any point afterwards. The only BIOS change you're doing is to disable secure boot before you install Windows to the SSD, and then to re-enable it after the install is completed.

Once that's done and you can boot into Windows successfully, only then do you want to reconnect the HDD.

 

OK. Thanks. Now i try to reinstall it.

but in the first post you have write

Legacy mode Disabled

and in the last

Legacy mode enabled

which i've to choose ?

But is possible that i don t need to charge the Intel driver For the msata ?? or maybe it has been charged automatically ( is in a folder in the usb pen with the installing windows file )

Inviato dal mio Galaxy Nexus utilizzando Tapatalk

 

because aquitane write to put leacy enabled

 

No, I did not.

 

no problem , but if i read here legacy mode is ON

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...-install-msata-boot-drive-27.html#post9529334

now i retry for the 5th times ...

 

nothing , i've here an usb pen with mounted by Rufus an win8 iso ( formatted fat32 GPT ) , set secure boot disabled ....the usb pen isn't recognized by system...

i've the f.35 bios.

only if I select Legacy enabled the pc reads the usb pen...

 

leonard cohen says "halelujah" !!

problem solved , is the iso that my friend give me like OEM...that's not really OEM , different boot file etc..

so , now all works fine !!

 

Good point genuine ISO is important.

so now you installed with UEFI and able to boot from mSATA SSD with sata HDD connected? if so- you won't have any issues as long as you don't go back to BIOS. In case you ever go to BIOS and mess up with boot- just disconnect sata HDD, after successful boot from mSATA SSD you can again connect HDD without issues.

 

all works fine , secure bot re-enabled , i told to my friend ( the pc isn't mine ) to not entry in the bios

 

I have the F.36 Bios installed and currently am booting from the HP Installed drive (I had to send the system back to HP to get things working a few weeks back so I've been reticent to potentially break things again, but now I'm ready to try).

There's lot's of good information in this thread but it's long and I'm not sure if what I'm looking for is here.

I'm hoping to copy a partition or something to the SSD and get it to boot without re-installing windows again ... is this possible? I'll do a clean install if I need to, but I'd like to not have to resetup and install all my programs.

Thanks for any help

 

I just discovered that HP has released BIOS F. 43 which has the following improvements:

- Provides support for the Microsoft Windows 7 operating system.
- Enables the system to use BIOS crisis files created on a USB flash drive from a different computer.
- Fixes an intermittent issue which causes a blue screen event to occur after Microsoft Windows Device Manager is used to disable an NVIDIA device on the system that was previously enabled manually.
- Fixes an intermittent issue where a Bluetooth device connected to the system does not function properly after the system resumes from standby mode.
- Fixes an intermittent issue where the system does not power on properly when an mSATA drive is connected to the system.
- Fixes an intermittent issue where the Microsoft Windows 8 operating system is not activated properly after a System Recovery is performed.

I point you towards the bolded line which apparently fixes the mSATA problem (which they call intermittent). Has anyone tried to perform the flash upgrade yet?

 

Why?!?! You could easily install Windows 7 on v.24. The drivers were the hard part but with a little fishing they were easy to find on the webs.

 

My system had F.36 from HP, had no problem using mSATA SSD as boot, everything has been perfect for me though -if i had gone to BIOS i had to detach SATA HDD and needed to reconnect after successful boot from mSATA SSD.

Now, out of curiosity, I have updated/flashed F.43 (sp65000.exe) though it was not listed from TS 15t-J100 quad page.

Everythings works like it was F.36, still no option to select boot disk, and same as F.36 If you go to BIOS then you still need to remove SATA HDD and can connect back after successful boot from mSATA. I do not see any other issues.

 

Hi y'all.
This was a very helpful thread to me although I managed to solve it only with Legacy Mode enabled after putting in the mSata.
If it was disabled it would always say No boot media when I would try to boot.
However I'm using F.42 so maybe that's why. Secure boot is permanently greyed out.
I did have to take out the HDD as well, put it in a usb frame and format it so that the system would start booting from the mSata.

One question remains though:
I'd like to install linux parallel to Win 8.1. So far it wasn't able to install the linux bootmanager (aka. Grub).
Has anyone managed to make this work? Or is it possible at all with the UFEI bios to install two separate OS?

I really hope so as I need both OS to work properly.

Thanks!

 

I haven't tried F42 (nor am I likely to) but it is certainly possible to boot two separate OSes with UEFI so long as they both support UEFI...and I'd be surprised if most linux distros didn't, though it's been a while since I've used any.

 

That was the same line in F.36 and was also the reason I upgraded. However that what made mine unusable, and the same reason why I sold it.
I was not expecting HP to fix this, but was interested to see if by chance they would fix it with the new release, unfortunately with F.43 it look likes more of the same, and the same old lock the end user comsumer down.

 

It took me a while to work out how to do it but it's actually not hard at all and not important which Bios you have installed (I'm on F.43).

All you have to do is make sure that the boot manager resides on the magnetic drive and make sure that Legacy mode is enabled in Bios.
I'm running a dual boot with Linux and Win 8. First you install the OS you want to use on the mSata, then you find a way to move (or reinstall) the boot manager over to the magnetic drive.

In my case, Linux's Grub boot manager can be installed on that drive with a few terminal commands.
I'm not sure if the same can be done with Win 8 boot mgr but if all else fails you can always go down the rEFInd way (T2050 explained in a previous post how to install that on the magnetic drive).

 

Hi all, thanks for this thread, very helpful.

I've spend now 2 nights in order to find a way to boot on the SSD mSata and leave the HDD juste as an internal drive for storage. It's now working with the rEFInd method but that slowed the boot for 1 or 2 more second and requiered to press "Enter" to boot. That's not huge but since it's a new pc (HP Envy 15 j095ef - F.43), I would appreciate to just boot by pressing the power button... HP.. Really.. Was it so hard ?...

Anyway, I'm really interested in another solution so I'm definitly following this thread closely

(Sorry for my English, that's not my native langage, cheers from France !)

 

yeah, count me as another one following this thread closely with respect to the bios updates to see if it'll get easier to do. I do hope to do it eventually because with the decent processing speed of the has well, it does feel like the HD is quite a limiting factor to the speeds I could be getting for every day tasks.

 

Good day! I am the owner of HP Envy 15 j001er.
Specification:
Product Name 15-j001er
Product Number E0Z23EA
Microprocessor Intel Core i7-4700MQ (2.4 GHz, 6 MB cache, 4 cores)
Chipset Intel HM87 Express
Memory 6 GB DDR3
Video Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M (2 GB DDR3 dedicated)
Hard Drive 750 GB 5400 rpm SATA
Up to 24 GB partition for system recovery
Display 39.6 cm (15.6” Full HD BrightView LED-backlit IPS (1920 x 1080)
Network Card Integrated 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector)
Wireless Connectivity Intel 802.11b/g/n with Widi

Bluetooth
Sound Beats Audio with 4 speakers and two HP Triple Bass Reflex Subwoofer
Keyboard Full-size, island-style, backlit with numeric keypad
Pointing Device HP Clickpad supporting multi-touch gestures
External Ports Multi-format digital media card reader for SD cards
1 HDMI
1 headphone-out/microphone-in combo
4 USB 3.0 (1 Boost)
1 RJ45
Dimensions 37.95 x 25.07 x 2.79 cm
Weight 2.19 kg
Power 120W AC power adapter
6-cell Li-Ion
Camera HP TrueVision HD Webcam with integrated dual array digital microphone


After reading the forum, I saw that many problems booting Windows with MSata after updating the BIOS to version F.43. Unfortunately, I also suffered this problem . Could you please send me an email Msata - working version of the BIOS, as I understand f.35, f.36 or f.24. My mail: sliffkin@yandex(dot)ru. Thank you very much! Sorry for my bad English, please.

 

From what I have read so far, F.43 behaves the same as f.36.
1. You have to fresh install the OS with only msata drive hooked up.
2. reboot and then put the clean wiped HDD in.
3. don't go into the bios.
- If you do, remove the HDD and boot with only the msata and shutdown and put the HDD back in. Does the HDD need to be wiped clean again?
Is this correct?

 

Has anyone figured out how to make it automatically boot from the mSata Drive? It wants to boot from the HDD so I have to go into legacy mode and press F9 and select the mSata drive.

Not a huge issue but it is stupid that any time i restart i have to hit F9 and select bootx64.efi file. I am using EasyBCD but it doesn't seem to find the boot partition on the mSata.

When I remove the HDD it boots just great. I don't know what stupid issue the backwards bios is doing but it makes me mad I can't figure it out.

If there is a way to disable Drive 0 in bios and have it load and mount in windows. That would fix the problem.

What was wired is after I put the HDD drive back in it was working for a little while but I check my bios setting BUT didn't change anything and it stopped and I had to go back to hitting F9, who knows.


Brad

 

Hello

I got my HP ENVY 17-j130ea yesterday and I want to put a SSD in it as I feel the HDD is really holding all the other hardware back. I found out there is a mSATA slot in the machine and it would actually be cheaper for me to use the mSATA slot for a samsung 840 evo as I wont need to buy a stupid HDD adaptor/caddy (plus it leaves me with a HDD space free and it's slighty lighter).

Anyway, while I'm waiting for the mSATA to come I decided to do some research which has lead me to this thread.
From what I have been reading I can install Windows 8.1 on the mSATA without the HDD installed and then delete everything on the HDD and reinstall it after Windows 8.1 is up and running.

This is all fine and good, but i was wondering if it would be possible to just use the recovery discs which I created when I first got the laptop to install Windows to the mSATA?

So instead of having to download the Windows 8.1 iso I can just use the recovery discs I already have.

 

It is not possible to use the recovery disks to install Windows to the mSATA as far as I know. I suppose you could try, but you'd still end up going through the rigamarole of disconnecting the HDD, installing the SSD, restoring, and then reconnecting the HDD.

I think the last time I tried this, the recovery discs just didn't see the SSD, but it's been a while. I wouldn't recommend this anyway because the recovery disks will install all the bloatware...better to just go through the drivers & downloads page and install the ones you want.

FYI, I've had a case open with HP for over two months on this issue. I finally got a case manager to listen to me last week. He was clearly apologetic that it had taken two months for someone to acknowledge that the problem was with the BIOS, but he couldn't say anything about whether it would be fixed. Instead, he gave me a coupon. D'oh!

I still like the Envy a lot but HP seems to have missed the boat on the whole point of UEFI - to make stuff like this easier!

 

Reading the other Envy thread, it looks like I might be wrong about the recovery disks. Sounds like it could be worth a shot. Still seems like extra work though!

 

I enjoy a fresh windows experience my self and dont mind about installing drivers, i just wanted to have all the recovery partitions there as well for completeness

I also agree with you about HP messing up the whole UEFI system, i have a computer which i built myself with a ASRock Z77 Extreme 6 and the UEFI BIOS is so much better, simpler and customisable

 

Ok now here's an issue I haven't seen anyone with yet.

I just got a new Envy 15t-j100 Select Touchsmart (Core i7 4702/GT-750/16GB RAM) yesterday. It came with the F.43 bios and 8.1 loaded from HP.


I installed a samsung 830 256GB mSATA SSD. Then I did a clean win 8.0 install from external DVD drive to the mSATA (had to load the intel raid drivers from jump drive) without changing anything in the bios. During windows install I blew away all partitions and chose the "unformatted space". Everything installed fine, and 8.1 boots up. I shut down, and put a brand new, clean (used diskpart clean) 500GB hard drive in then reboot. When windows comes up it doesn't even SEE the HD in either disk management or device manager. I rebooted to winre from the install DVD, and ran diskpart to create and format a blank GPT NTFS partition on the disk. Still nothing.

I went into the bios (which can see the HD under UEFI->Intel RST by the way), disabled secure boot, still nothing in windows. Switch to legacy mode and get the dreaded no OS found, however the intel RST tool now shows during boot and lists both drives. With legacy still on, I boot by manually with F9 and selecting EFI file on the SSD, but still no HD shows in windows....

At this point, I set bios to defaults, pull the bios battery, and install windows fresh to the mSATA again. This time selecting disable secure boot before installing windows as mentioned in several other posts, and re-enabling after first boot of windows. I STILL can't see the HD. I pull a 750GB hitachi out of another laptop, blow it away with diskpart, and can't see that either.

If I install to the HD, I can see the mSATA just fine, but not the other way around....At this point I'm at a loss.

Anyone else had this problem where windows can't see the HD (when in windows) after installing OS to mSATA? Is this maybe something new with the F.43 bios version?

 

Im using a 17-j130ea with f.43 bios

I have a 120GB Samsung 840 evo mSATA SSD and the original 1TB HDD as a secondary for the users folder and files

What i did was...
1) Remove HDD and install mSATA
2) Install Windows 8.1 from USB memory stick to mSATA drive (didn't change anything in the bios) (I deleted everything from the mSATA and let the installer create its own partitions)
3) Let windows startup fully from the mSATA then shutdown
4) Plug HDD back in and switch back on (at this point it was booting from the mSATA drive and i hadnt done anything to the HDD)
5) When windows was loaded I used diskpart to "clean" the drive and create a new partition
6) I then followed this guide to set the Users folder to the HDD User Profiles - Relocate to another Partition or Disk

 

That's exactly the steps I took the first try, except i installed 8.0 not 8.1, then updated to 8.1 from the store before re-attaching the HD , and my install was from external DVD not USB. I wouldn't think installing from DVD would make a difference so long as UEFI was still enabled...but then again nothing seems to make sense on these laptops.

I may try again using USB instead of DVD for the OS install, but for now I've pulled the 2.5" SSD from my other laptop and installed the OS to that, and use the mSATA as a second drive...and OMG is it fast. Copied 25GB off a USB 3.0 jump drive to the mSATA in under 2 mins!

Did the 8.1 image already include the Intel SATA (RST) chipset drivers, or did you have to load them seperately?

Only other issue I have with this laptop is the display...the color just seems really muted and dull compared to my 2012 DV6t display, and the viewing angles (both vertically and horizontally) are horrible.

 

I dont have a problem with the viewing angles, mine seem to be just fine.

The ISO i used was "Windows_8.1_EN-US_x64.ISO" MD5: F104B78019E86E74B149AE5E510F7BE9

I just used Rufus to stick it on a USB Memory Stick

And I agree with the speeds, i had boot times of about 1 and a half minutes on the old HDD, now im getting 6 seconds on the mSATA SSD

 

Are you able to enter a BIOS then log-out from it and boot with no issues? Or need to disconnect HDD, then boot from SSD and reconnect HDD again.