Envy 15 2011 IPS screen profile.

All,

Here are some info on the IPS screen in the new Envy 15.
Id from Device Manager: LGD0323

From Sypder:
Contrast ratio: 561:1
Brightness:
full bar 245 cm/d2
2 empty bar 135 cm/d2
3 empty bar 90 cm/d2
1 bar 13 cm/d2
Black Luminance: 0.14 cm/d2
Color Gamut: 60% (does not cover the RGB space, roughly 80% to 85% of the RGB box)
*For reference a 72% screen typically covers RGB, 95% almost covers all of adobe.

Attached is my color profile. Calibrated to 6500k, 2.2 gamma, 135 cm/d2.

 

Here are some pictures.
Left side is a uncalibrated 95% gamut TN screen (its my gaming notebook, TN screens loose some viewing angle when calibrated), right side is the new Envy 15.
2nd one shows the power of IPS, 180 viewing angle, notice the envy is not washed out.
3nd one shows the color gamut coverage of the Envy 15 screen.

 

Aww , I am right - is it Clevo-branded laptops P150HM?
That screen is the best they can put into such laptops and I see that IPS is much better!

 

Yes, its a 150hm on the left. Even through the 95% gamut screen looks better color wise (in person, not in the photo), the viewing angle on the IPS makes it much more enjoyable to use, no more tweaking the angle of the screen to make things look just right from top to bottom.

 

Can someone share a quick tutorial of how to use the color profile you just posted?

 

Does this color profile make reds actually look red as opposed to orange like others were saying?

 

Are those photos post-calibration? Because the Envy's "red" is still very orange in those photos. =/

I really want the envy to have an awesome display, and I'm sure it does in many ways - 1080p, ips, good brightness/contrast, etc. But if it can't show red, then that seems like a dealbreaker.

 

Yes, its after calibration, there is not much that can be done about it, seems like its a technical limitation of the screen. Added a new attachment above to show its color gamut. Compared to low end screens its still alot better.

 

Try this:
On desktop right click, select Screen Resolution -> Advanced Settings -> Color Management tab -> Click Color Management... -> Add -> Browse -> Select the profile click ok and set as default.

 

Instructions for installing a calibrated ICC profile in Windows 7:

1) Download, extract and double click on the ICC file

2) Go to Control Panel - Color Management - Click Add - Select the downloaded ICC file and set it as default

3) Click Advanced tab - Click Change system defaults - Click Advanced tab - Tick Use windows display calibration

4) Disable Firefox colour management

 

tried this and it worked, but I preferred the non calibrated look instead, it was noticeably brighter to my eyes, and even calibrated red had a strong orange tinge. Good thing I just need the screen to look pretty and have decent viewing angles and high res and not for color critical work.

 

Yeah the white balance/temperature needs to be left untouched otherwise you will experience a reduction in brightness. Maybe some more profiles will be posted for you.

 

6500k is still a bit on the warm side for me, so I will probably bump that up a little when I calibrate mine. I hope that will ease some of the orange bias.

 

Does anybody else have a profile that does a better job of minimizing the orangeness of the reds, or is this panel truly incapable of displaying the color?

 

I'd take the screen on the left every time, tbh. The Envy's coloration is completely unnatural.

That's a pretty bad representation of what people expect from the letters IPS.

 

Hi Dreamwonder! I was wondering if you could post a couple of pictures comparing the size of the Envy 15 and the 150HM since these are the two laptops that I'm deciding between.

I would greatly appreciate it! Thank you very much!

 

I will try this weekend. P150hm will feel much bigger then the envy 15. But that is all relative.

 

Awesome! Thanks!

 

I agree. The Envy 15"'s screen looks awful! Those are not natural colors. Someone at HP screwed up big time on this one! I am so glad I got the 17", I was leaning towards 15" first.

 

why do you prefer the 17 over the 15?

 

is the IPS panel on the 15 inch 8bit or 6bit per channel?

 

So is the color gamut for the current Envy 15 60% I intend to run Spyder2 and see how close I get to the above mentioned profile. From the factory mine was a very orange red. Received it yesterday. It may be going back soon.

 

Yes it's 60 percent.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjvQFtlNQ-M

 

U will get a slight improvement after color calibrating. But that orange- like will never go away. Its not bad if your not doing photo/color work.

 

Base on the color gamut I see, my guess is its a 6 bit panel. If it was 8 bit the gamut would have been alot more wider.

 

It's pretty bad, and I think what makes it that much worse is how good the rest of the machine seems to be. The fact that that this is happening on their top of the line machine is just embarrassing.

 

I agree, I haven't received my ENVY yet, but the idea that it has one major flaw might make me wanna return it. I don't do any photoshop work or anything so I doubt it would bother me, but the flaw will always be in the back of my head..

 

yeah, I'm still on the fence about all this. I might be okay with it at the moment post-calibration....but a month or two down the road it might be driving me nuts

 

For me the IPS viewing angle trumps the orange issue. I bet that most of u would agree after using the envy 15 for a while and then going back to TN.

 

There are plenty of TN screens with good viewing angles.

 

You would lose that bet with me. The RGB-LED TN panel on my Dell XPS16 walks all over this panel. Brighter, just as sharp, colors more vibrant, and hugely more accurate (100% color gamut), not to mention that red is actually red. Viewing angles have never been a problem for me, and I would take those other qualities over whatever improvement in viewing angles the IPS gives twice every day of the week and four times on sunday.

 

^^ Seconded.

 

I don't find the viewing angles on this to be a killer feature. Compared to a Macbook Air...it's not a whole lot better in this regard, if at all. I asked someone else [who knows nothing about computers] which one had better viewing angles and they said it was a draw.

 

...Uh, let me stick up for viewing angles here. I'm still considering one of these Envy 15's as my desktop replacement, just on that one feature. I get that it's not a deal-breaker, that viewing angles aren't really important for most if not all laptop users, enthusiast and noob alike, because if you're working at a desk, you're only going to look at it from straight on, I get that some regular LCD screens have excellent color space and contrast...

But it just consistently bothers me the way most laptop screens turn completely dark when viewed from below, and turns completely white when viewed from above. And in the worst case, when I sit close to the laptop screen, the bottom of the screen is already washed out and the top of the screen is already dark, looking at the screen from the same place.

I know, I know...it really just means I'm sitting way to close to the laptop, but still...if it doesn't have to be that way, why not give us the option? Those [apparently few] of us who value better viewing angles will gladly pay for it. (Well, the X220 seems to sell well with its IPS screen option.)

To the MacBook Air...somehow those screens are beautiful, with intense brightness and excellent contrast, but the screen still darkens when viewed from below perpendicular. Why not just pull the screen forward a little?

Because I don't feel like it. I dunno why. I just like to see the screen from below, and an IPS screen lets me do that without losing the whole picture.

For the record, I recently snagged a refurb 18.4-inch old Core i5 Acer laptop for a fine price, and the viewing angles of this regular 18.4-inch TN, non-IPS 1080p LCD screen are very good! It still washes out from above and turns dark from below, but there's a good 10- or 15-degree sweet spot, and horizontally the picture barely degrades at all.

So there, I'm almost drinking the Kool-Aid. A screen may be IPS but also poor quality; the X220 had that backlight-bleed thing. But on a level of principle, I just think any IPS screen on a laptop is a step in the right direction.

BTW, thanks, OP, for posting this. Brightness was one of my big questions.

 

the poster is very passionate about color fidelity which is commendable

however i am coming from a Sony Vaio Z11 with 1600x900 100% gamut screen

and yes the reds and redder and violets more violety when compared side by side...

but in playing games, web browsing, looking and pics and videos... i cannot tella difference

btw the envy is soooo much more solid than my vaio, in fact this thing is like a friggin brick

im keeping my eny 15

 

If hp didn't cheap out and pay the extra 5 bucks to say bump it up to 72% color gamut that covers the rgb space (without the orange issue of course). And in turn charge us $200 instead of $150 they would have alot better publicity like the envy 14 and poeple will be satisfied. I think the only card they can dealt now is to offer their Dreamcolor screen for $500, and if the do I am ready to buy with the usual 30% off coupon.

 

Cool, I'm glad you're satisfied. Aside from the color it's a great machine. I'm still trying to decide whether to keep it, as I find the color issue does affect my experience in web browsing, etc, but that will vary per individual and how sensitive they are to the issue.

 

Is there a valid 30% off coupon right now? I've searched for one and all that I find are expired. Thanks.

 

I would pay the extra for a better screen in a heartbeat, as overall the machine has the right balance of everything I want.

 

this already should be the upgraded screen. they shouldn't offer a fancy schmancy hi res screen at an added cost if they're not going to do it adequately.

 

Maybe I'm ignorant or foolish, but I don't get these numbers (below). With a black level of 0.14 cm/d2, and a contrast of 561:1, wouldn't the screen have to have a brightness of only 78.54 cm/d2 (78.54/0.14 = 561/1)? If the screen can achieve a black level of 0.14 while displaying other colors, I'd think the contrast must be much higher.

If that's correct, the contrast comparison to the Envy 14 Radiance would be off. I'm probably missing something obvious, but I would appreciate an explanation of how I'm screwing this up. Thanks.

EDIT: Oops. Somehow this got posted in the wrong thread. Meant to be in "Re: Envy 15 IPS Red vs. Orange tally". Don't know how that happened.

 

As long as you brought it up here, I recommend anyone interested to check the other thread Heather meant to post to as her sleuthing may have uncovered some pretty startling performance by the poor little misunderstood orangish IPS Envy 15 screen.