HP + Turion?

Will hp have a new consumer version of the ZT3000? I heard someone once mention that it may be a Turion based one. Is there any news on this? Time frame?

 

Turion is the latest and greatest so expect to pay money for it it will probably be 3-4 months before we see any real output of it as it was just released this month

 

Link? [ ]

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by romanroman28

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by yassarian

 

I'm not really sure what you meant by it "officially" ruled to be not credible -- who are the officials? lol I'm not familiar with GamePC, but the only things I wanted to look at are the numbers. Fact is, PM consumes less power, and has a lower pipeline than Turion. The MT-34 reviewed *IS* one of the fast turions available. It would not be unfair to compare it with the fastest PM. Besides in quite a few of the benchies the 1.8ghz PM even outperformed the O/Ced MT-34.

Ahh Win64. Will it be better? who knows? does everyone need it? probably not. Future speculations aside, all I know is that running TODAY'S software, Turion does not outperform PM. Will you magically see a 30-40% speed increase by switching to Win64? Somehow I doubt it.

Will there be benefits of Win64? Of course, in certain applications. Are the benefit clear-cut? <shrugg> without anything concrete to go on, I'd say it's still up in the air.

cheers,

yass

 

Hi Guys,

Found this article a little while ago, comparing the Athlon64 processor performance when running in pure 32-bit mode, simulated 32-bit mode in a 64-bit OS and in pure 64-bit mode. They do a pretty good job illustrating the true power of the 64 bit AMD processors, even if it can't really by utilized by the general public... yet. Anyhow, the future looks promising.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1665

Lucas

 

Heart,

No offense taken. I'm new to this AMD Athlon64 thing so I'm sure you guys are more up-to-date on this topic than myself.

As for the 64-bit capabilities, I was wondering if anybody has tried installing the trial version of Windows XP Pro x64 on thier machines with any success. How hard is it to find drivers? I'm interested because some of the software we use (Ansys FEM) can be run in 64-bit mode. Can this OS be dual-booted with a regular 32-bit version of XP? Any info would be much appreciated.

Lucas

Compaq R4000
AMD Athlon64 3200+
512 MB RAM
80GB 4200 rpm HD
ATI Radeon Xpress 200M w/ 128 MB RAM

 

Heart,

I'm glad I could help.

I was actually looking at a Dell with the Centrino chip in it based on a friends recomendation, but I thought it was a little too expensive for me. I also didn't need that high level of mobility, and for the rare times that I need to run off battery power, 2.5-3 hours is enough for me. If it was offered with a Turion or Athlon64, I would have bought it.

Lucas

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Rami

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by coolqf

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by lkumosa

 

rfortson,

Thanks for the link. Much appreciated. I'll definitely have to check this out. Hopefully someone has set this up as a dual boot as I'd would not trust the stability of my computer entirely to a beta version of Windows.

Lucas

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by yassarian


Speaking of which -- where did you find that the zv6000 intends on using socket 939 anyway? As far as I know the zv6000 can take Sempron or AMD64 -- Sempron are socket 754 ONLY, which would mean that the AMD64 featured inside will also be socket 754! I highly doubt that HP/Compaq will create TWO entirely different mobo line for the zv6000!

cheers,

yass
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The athlon 3200+ in the zv6000 is definitely socket 939. I don't know if anyone has checked their sempron systems yet, but I am guessing they are using a different motherboard for those.

 

I'm guessing that HP can get AMD to build them Semprons in whatever chip package they want. They got AMD to build them Socket 754 Athlon XP-M's for the zv5000z, which no one else had at the time. The zv6000 Semprons are almost certainly Socket 939.

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by brianstretch

 

way to research Yass..

 

people have already tested the vz6k at it's 939. end of story.

 

sorry if you're senstive.. i was refering 'end of story' to the 939 socket. why waste more space arguing about what it is if it's already been confirmed. try not to take things so seriously and jump to conclusions. i too am just trying to help out.

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My post out of kindness and wanting to help is not solely related to this 939 pin or what ever it is! It's only one thing I mentioned out of much more! Um.. great, i never refered to anything else you said.

Why bother with a wasted comment on a help forum ??? I think it helps if we clear it up before it becomes an irrelevant issue.

End of story according to who??? I dunno.. lets see.. the people who tested it???

Why would it personaly bother you and why make a remark like that??? Is your statement helping anyone??? I think so.. just maybe....


I hope i answered your important questions. Thanks.

 

The statement helped me...he makes a good pt.

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<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by heartofgold

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by heartofgold

 

Sweet!...I'm counting down the days until the strange, paranoid, overly-sensitive maniac leaves these forums & stops spreading petty & ridiculous lies about how I treat him or others on this forum.

"HeartofGold" seems to be perpetuating & disseminating rather odd, IMO, claims regarding myself. Where he/she gets these ideas is beyond me.

Personally, I wonder what his/her heart is truly comprised of...

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Yes I have read about "tests", and no I don't believe them. Diagnostics can often be incorrect, especially with newer hardwares.

What led me to think otherwise:

1) socket 939's hypertransport is 1000mhz, socket 754's is 800. None of the HPs seems to have the 1000mhz hypertransport

2) socket 939 supports dual-channel, socket 754, doesn't. of all the zv6000 reviews i've read, none of them seems to support dual-channel.

3) AMD has no plans to release a mobile version of their desktop socket 939 chips. If HP actually did it, it is with the desktop chip - which is just retarded because of the higher TDP, and the lack of aforementioned 1) and 2), making the higher cost of the chip return virtually no benefit.

The only way to make sure, is of course, open up the case and look. Personally I'm kinda curious about it, if any DIYers care to confirm...?

cheers,

yass

 

perhaps you didn't read my post clearly heartofgold. i wasn't disregarding your entire topic, only the 939 part because i thought that was settled for sure. I've looked at over 5 posts where people have run individual tests and each prog concluded a 939. Secondly, i also read that AMD made special 939 chips for HP. Anyways, argue all you want about it (yass might have some good points), it's not my interest to fight with you here.. i'm just so surprised you would still jump to so naive of a conclusion and go on the offense like that.

Enough said and nothing more. Please dont even respond to this or you're just an instigator of havoc and you'll find this board even more trashed with nonsense. Let it be.

 

lol after completely alienated everyone in the Dell forum, this guy migrates to the HP forum and probably single-handedly managed to contribute more spam than the rest of the posters put together! Virtually 99.9% of his posts has ZERO merit.

keep it coming thou, it is sorta entertaining. lol

cheers,

yass

 

all i know is socket 939 are supposed to be dual channel and everthing I have seen posted ppl. are saying theirs is not dual channel.

boom what ppl. were you refering to that have tested it? or where did you read this missinformation at.

 

<shrug> I've always built my own desktop PCs, my newest desktop that I use for rendering and other tasks is a 939pin AMD64. I know about monachcomputer, some of their prices I think are rather outrageous, but oftentimes they have hard-to-find top-end components(at grossly over the MSRP). I think newegg and zzf are both better on-line sources, as I use them quite a bit.

At any rate if indeed that HP is 939 pin -- which I highly doubt, what is the point? The main advantage of 939 pin is dual-channel and faster hypertransport. Take these 2 away and it is no better than a 754 pin. The advantage of 939 pin is memory bandwidth only. Yes AMD says that the future dual-cores will support 939, but you need a bios that can support it in the first place -- seeing that the HPs are single channel, I *highly* doubt that is even possible. Either way, my *lowly* I9300 can still cruch numbers faster than ANY of the HPs avail today, 939 pin or 754 pin. lol [ ]

cheers,

yass

 

When will they learn?

I got an idea why dont you who say it is 939 open up your notebook take some pics. and post them?

 

HP Offers AMD Sempron Chips for 939-pin Infrastructure.

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by brianstretch

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Gargoyle

 

http://www.notebookreview.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15437&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=939

http://www.notebookreview.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15880&SearchTerms=939

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by heartofgold

 

I guess I should post this http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/main?sel_flg=partlist&HP_model=PZ988EA&modname=HP+Pavilion+zv6068EA+notebook+PC+(EU)&plist_styp=flag&plist_sval=ALL

this is what i found under processors.. AMD Mobile Athlon 64 3500+ processor - 2.2GHz 939-pin Lidless O?PGA socket (512KB of internal L2 cache, up to 1000MHz FSB, HyperTransport technology) - Includes thermal paste

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by yassarian

 

i wore the (w,a,s,d) letters off my Compaq X6000 in 3 weeks from playing games, but I think that was just an isolated insodent as far as my 9300 i've been using it just as hard and long (hehe hard & long) sorry, and have not noticed anything wrong with my keyboard.

 

They cram real GPUs into Prescott-core P4 notebooks, and those things run hotter than anything AMD makes. The 90nm AMD CPUs run MUCH cooler than the 130nm chips HP is currently shipping, so if they needed to shave off 20W or so of heat that's an easy way to do it. No, this was just HP marketing screwing things up. The Blue Men would never lie to them, would they?

 

Question: what is the real benefit of having a 939 pin CPU in the zv6000?

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by scottman

 

Ahem. I *have* been civil, but heck if you want to play rough, suits me just fine. lol

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by heartofgold

 

Dual channel memory access, though it appears to have been disabled (probably a BIOS issue), and in theory the notebook will accept the dual core Athlon 64 X2's that are due out in late June.

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by brianstretch

 

Yass,

Thanks for sticking up for this forum & telling him what I simply don't have the patience to do anymore.

***Someone should seriously consider deactivating him.

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<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by heartofgold

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by yassarian