HP 8510p - Best external 22" LCD Monitor

Hello guys! I need your help to find a good external 22" LCD Monitor for my HP 8510p laptop. (I was thinking in 24`ones as well, but they are relatively expensive than the 22" ones.) I made some search on the net and read many tests as well. So, I made my short list candidates. They are more or less the same prize category.

Purpose of using:
1. Gaming
2. Movies
3. Internet, word, excel - for working at home

Preferences in order:
1. Quality (no ghosting, crisp, colorful screen)
2. Connectivity to my laptop. (Only VGA and HDML i have)
3. Respond time
4. Adjustibility

So, the candidates are:
1. Dell SP2208WFP: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&sku=320-6252&redirect=1
2. HP w2207h: http://h20195.www2.hp.com/V2/GetDocument.aspx?docid=0900a5a582d4b46e&cc=uk&lc=en
3. BenQ X2200W: http://benq.com/products/LCD/?product=1270&page=specifications

My questions:
1. Which one do you suggest me to take? Do you have any experience with them?
2. Can I connect my laptop to the lcd through my hdml?
3. Is it possible to buy some kind of converter cable, from HDML to DVI and vica versa?
4. Isnt that better to buy a 24`one instead of 22`? (Native Resolution is 1680X1050 for my laptop)

Thanks in advance.

 

Samsung 2253BW for sure. It's the one I'm using right now, and it's great! If you don't want that, get the HP, but you'll be really impressed with the 2253BW.

 

The Dell monitor is utterly horrible. I had a chance to see it recently, and was not impressed.

Try to avoid a TN panel, as those are not quality screens. Look for pixel response times of 8-16ms, as generally that means it is a non-TN panel. Also, if it has a 130-160deg viewing angle...that's TN and avoid it.

 

Thanks the fast reply. michaelsd01: Is the samsung with TN panel?
greg: But arent the non-TN panel lcds so expensive? I would like to have it at around 400$ max.

 

Yes, most non-TNs are more expensive...because they aren't as easy/cheap to make.

I am not aware of a single non-TN 22" monitor...but there are some non-TN 20" and 24"s that should be in your price range.

Not to be a pain...but I'll put it this way to you. There are three main components that you use every time you interact with your PC: monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Don't chimp out on any of the three, because you will regret it.

 

I have the dell and it is not good at all

 

The cheapest 22" non-TN (mostly S-IPS) panels are $600+. I'd recommend the Samsung 2253BW, I'm really picky and a lot of info and reviews, and the Samsung is the best 22" TN out there. The second best, the LG L226WT, I had for around a week then returned it and got this because of the LG's crappy picture.

 

Actually i don't think that is true anymore since a few years...
It's true that there are surely some very cheap TN's out there that lack in quality (Dell e.g.) but i've bought a Sony HS94P bout 4 years ago with a TN and apparently 16ms (played UT and other fast Ego-Shooters on it without problems). And honestly, it's still an excellent monitor, way better than Dell, Acer etc.
We've also got a NEC S-IPS at home. And ofc, the colours and brightness is just amazing but again, when it comes to gaming, it's not acceptable...

So you can't just say it's all about the panel...

 

i havw a Hanns-g 22" and it has great colour no ghosting while gaming , 4 usb ports dvi, vga inputs and came with 4 sets of cables even component to dvi . maybe my eyes are not that great , but hd movies look great on it and the price was right

 

If you're willing to sacrifice 2 inches and put up with a 1680x1050 native resolution, the Dell 2007WFP is an excellent (albeit expensive) option. It is either an IPS or PVA display (depending on serial number). The viewing angles on the IPS version are CRT-like, and the colors are good, as well. I can't comment on the response times, since I haven't been around that monitor in a while (It's my dad's).

I personally own the the HP L2045w (again a 20" monitor), which is also a great monitor, despite being a TN-panel. The monitor supports VGA and DVI, has a 2-port USB hub, can rotate, and is height adjustable (unlike the HP w2207). Also, it comes with some very handy color-calibration software, which is perfect for photo editors.

The response time and colors of the L2045w are excellent, especially after calibration. The only downside is that the viewing angles could be slightly better, but they're still far and beyond better than the angles you'd find on a laptop. I'm just being picky since I like to do photo editing. It really won't be an issue if you're using it to play games and watch movies.

 

I bought a Samsung 2253BW for my 8510p last week but haven't had a chance to unpack it yet. I'll let you know how things go.

I had a decent amount of people tell me to go for a non-TN panel but even the 20" IPS or PVA ones in Canada are just beyond my price range.

Then again, I had another bunch of people tell me to wait 2-3 years for 22-24" LED LCDs...but blah, oh well.

 

Thanks the replies again. I would like to have bigger lcd than 20" but 24" ones are to expensive for me. So, I have started to check a good, decent in the 22" segment, even if they are wit TN panel. Although, I havent seen the IPS\PVA ones yet, but the TNs looks good for me. Are the non-TN ones better so much than the TN ones to pay that extra?

I check out the Samsung 2253BW...

 

Check out the Lenovo ThinkVision L220x. There's a review of it on notebookreview too.

 

Many review say that Dell SP2208WFP performs pretty well. Mabe it is not so fancy looking that the HP one, but I prefer that one.

I have check the HP today with my eyes and it looks impressive and good as well. The problem that I cant find a store to check the dell and I do not want to buy it blank. Is the dell really so bad?

 

Go for the the HP 2207. I bought it after looking at a lot of reviews.

When you put this monitor next to any other, it just shames them, in terms of appearance.

Performance wise, I really haven't had a chance to look at many others and runs displaymate tests on 45 monitors, but I can tell you, in the real world, the picture is beautiful.

I got the HDMI version and I connect it to my dv2500 through it.. its' pretty nice.

 

Thx nu. I was thinking to buy maybe a 24" big one, but they are usually with 1920X1200, and hp 8510p`s max res. is 1680X1050.

1. Can I use the 24" lcds with 1680X1050 or
my laptop with 1920X1200,?

2. Is it worth to buy 24" and not 22" just because of the size?

 

I really don't know about the resolution limit, I would be surprised if that were true, very surprised in fact.

If I had to bet, I would bet that you're notebook could pull off 1920x1200.

You can most definitely use the 24in at 1680x1050, it won't be as clear/sharp due to the fact that it's not it's native resolution, but it shouldn't be too bad.

As far as the worth of the extra two inches, depends on the prices. How much is the difference between 22in and 24in versions? Based upon that figure, make your judgment.

 

I have the HP 2207h and it's awesome. Looked at Westinghouse, LG, Acer, Hanns, Dell and Gateway.

I like the HDMI and the portrait mode. Picture is great. Some minor light leaks but only noticeable when the screen is dark.

 

I have just checked both the 2207h and the 2408h one, comparing them directly next to each other at one of the biggest shopping mall in Zurich. At first it was strange and a bit disappointing what I saw on the displays. It turned out that both resolution was set to 1024X768. :O

Then I asked them to show me the 2207h in native 1680X1050, then show me the 2407h with 1680 as well. I was a bit afraid that it will look a bit bad, or at least I will experience black vertical lines on the 2408h both sides but this was NOT the case.

On the 24" one w/ 1680X1050 resolution it looked perfect and great. So i think I will go for the 2408h one and connect it to my HP 8510p through its HDMI.

 

Me again, reporting in. Set up my 2253BW today and I gotta say, it's pretty nice. I was prepared for disappointment because of some reports about issues with this LCD, but I've been very pleasantly surprised. Michael's probably right when he says this is in the top 3 for 22" TN panels right now. For a TN panel the colour fidelity is quite good, and the brightness is crazy...I had to turn it way down.

As to the reports of blue dominance among 2253's...well, they're correct. However, I was able to completely correct the problem in about five minutes of tweaking the colour settings. Default setup is quite blue dominant, but it's so very easy to make this monitor look beautiful.

No buzzing issues on my unit either, another problem that was complained about (just the usual low-level LCD noise). No dead pixels, looks beautiful.

Unfortunately there is the usual light bleed across the top and bottom, which seems common to all TN panels. It varies in size, roughly a half centimetre around the middle top/bottom, tapering off towards the edges. Comparing it to my 8510p screen, it's no worse really (relative size wise )

Comparing my 8510p side by side with the 2253 is almost disturbing. My laptop screen has quite a red tinge to it (going to correct that now that I've seen it!), whereas the 2253's colours are very nice. I hooked up my old 19" Sony CRT to colour check, and frankly they look very similar. I still don't think I'd recommend TN panels for graphics designers, but this monitor is awesome nonetheless. Watched a few HD trailers on the screen and again beautiful. Minimal ghosting and no distortion/artifacts.

My only complaint would be no height adjustable stand--my 2253 is on 3 textbooks currently to sit at the same height as my 8510p on my laptop stand. But for the $270 I paid for this LCD...awesome deal IMO

 

Thanks for the report, Ackeron.

Just because of you, I will compare my favorite HP 2408h with your suggested Samsung 2253BW.

And... well... we will see the winner.

 

Ackeron, one more question:
1. Are you using VGA or DVI to connect your 8510p to the lcd?

To all:
2. do you know that can i connect DVI to HDMI by using a converter and vica versa?

 

By accident, I found Samsung SyncMaster 2693HM, link , 26" with a good prize but
after going through couple of review it said that it has no HDCP support. Exepct that minus, it looks really great.

Can you help me to tell that what is the disadvantage of not having HDCP in real life?

 

Yes, you can use LCDs whose native resolutions are higher than you laptop's internal LCD. So you need not worry about the resolution being higher than your notebook's internal LCD. You're limited by the graphics card in the notebook, not the internal LCD.

 

I also should add that you shouldn't forget that the HPs have the BrightView coating, which in my opinion, make them far superior to any screens that lack it.

As far as the 22/24in question, personally, when I bought the 22in version, the 24in banger was almost 2x as much. At that point I didn't find a compelling reason to pay 2x as much for an extra 2 inches, would have made sense buying another 22in and getting another 22 inches for 2x as much, but that's something you need to decide.

Also, don't underestimate the usefulness of height adjustability. I used to have one of those Samsung 19in widescreen monitors, the really sexy looking newer ones with the black shiny border. It did not have height adjustments, my Hp w2207h does, and I can't tell you how many times I have used it. This was one feature I wasn't expecting to use and one I have found quite useful, same goes with the USB hub.

Anyway good luck. You really cannot lose with any 22/24in monitor you choose.

 

I'm using an HDMI-->DVI-D cable yeah You can buy converters or cables to go either way.

One thing I've noticed though that's very odd...the 2253's colours look great, EXCEPT for one shade of beige which is completely off. I'm not sure if it's a problem with the LCD or if it's something I can tweak...hmm I'll post a pic later today.

edit: nevermind...the colours were slightly off...was able to tweak in the settings. After using my red-dominated 8510p screen for so long a somewhat-blue dominated monitor just looks weird to me trying to equalize the two has been ...well, i'm still not there yet :|

 

Unfortunately it seems the lower you set the brightness on the Samsung 2253, the louder the buzzing gets. I found the screen a bit bright yesterday so I went below 75 brightness and it started getting louder and louder....down at zero brightness you can hear it 4 feet away. I normally use it at around 77 brightness so the buzz is barely audible BUT not very good either way IMO. The colours are gorgeous now that I've fixed them but this buzz could break the deal, I dunno.

I'm currently sitting about 2 feet away @ 77 brightness and I can just just baarely hear the beginning of the buzz, so it's not the end of the world, especially given the price I paid. Hmm...

 

OK. Now i will gather the info, check te short listed candidates, and i will let you know my choise.

 

Wow, your 2253 is buzzing? Mine's 100% silent on any brightness. You've probably got a defective one, just go return it. I agree with you about the colors being gorgeous after come calibration (use the warm color tone for the most accurate colors for web browsing and general tasks). MagicColor works much better than I thought, and after comparing a few minutes of a 1080p copy of I Am Legend with it off and with it on, colors looked so much better and more vivid, and still kept a natural tone, with it on. Game mode improves the colors in some games a lot, depending on the game (some games look better on the same settings you use for web browsing, though most look noticeably better on game mode. I especially like how Samsung spent time trying to make the best out of the colors, and the bezel and exterior still look gorgeous (just don't touch the glossy black and it'll look as good on day one as it does a few months later). This is, without exaggeration, the best 22" TN monitor out, and can compare to some S-IPS panels as having superior colors during movies and most games.

 

Yeah I'm considering it. Could you do me a favour and lower your brightness below 50 (anything from 0-50 I guess) and put your ear to the top of your 2253?

Some people are reporting it only happens with the contrast set to a certain level as well...I dunno. Blah. Mine's 77 brightness and 50 contrast right now :\

 

Nope, still completely silent. BTW, blacks and whites will be purer at a contrast of about 70 (best contrast setting to me, any higher and whites become too pure and some colors tend to blend). Set the brightness and contrast to 0 then press the source button for a few seconds while in the menu, then information will come up about your monitor. In the "version" section you should see some numbers then 3 letters. I have a "CDA" panel, meaning it's made by CMO. My full "version" is M-AQ22W0CDA-1001.0
Which panel do you have?

 

It very much depends on what you want to pay.. the BEST 22" LCD that can handle moving images without ghosting would be an Eizo Nano but those will run you easily over $1000.. Consider the Viewsonic Pro series for something more affordable..

 

To Samsung users:

What is the difference between 2253LW vs 2253bw?
Why did you take 2253bw?

It looks the same for me.

 

The 2253LW is designed with cheaper parts. Notice how it's screen size is 21.6", companies usually make a budget 22" and then a higher-end one that uses their better panels. Definitely go for the 2253BW.

 

OK. Thx. I read that there is a 25" version in the 53 series.

"The new Samsung 53 series SyncMasters consist of four thin black gloss frame models. The 19-inch 953BW, 20-inch 2053BW, 22-inch 2253LW, and the largest 25-inch 253BW."

link: http://www.hdtvlounge.net/samsung/2053bw-2253lw/

I tried to search on it, but couldn't find it. Is it true?

 

I was thinking to buy a 24" lcd but using it at only 1680X1050, but i read that ig i dont use the lcd with the native resolution the quality of the picture is not so good. so I have two questions:

1. How bad the non-native (1680x1050) does look like in a 24" lcd?( Is it worth to have 24" with that reolution)?

or

2. Is there any 24" lcd that native resolution is 1680X1050? Because, if we have this, I can have the bigger screen with the native resolution (best quality)?

 

Ah lucky! I'm quite torn because there are no dead pixels and the panel itself looks amazing...I've had such bad luck with LCDs that I'm not sure I want to risk taking it back just to get rid of the buzz I've spoken to quite a few 2253 owners and it seems over 50% of them have the buzzing issue, so my chances of getting a non-buzzer seem low.

The last day I can return this is Saturday, and with the brightness high enough the buzz is pretty faint. I've thought about keeping it for a few months and then if I can't stand the brightness vs buzzing, just return it to Samsung for a replacement (a later revision which hopefully has the issue fixed).

My panel is also a CMO it seems, M-AQ22WOCDA-1002.0. Time on only 17 hours...some people reported that the buzzing went away after a certain amount of on time...Dunno though. Also I accidentally changed panel ch. no. to some random digit...hope that doesn't screw anything up haha.

edit: Hi Anpe...using the non-native resolution with an LCD that big would look pretty bad IMO...always preferable to use the native size. It's one of the reasons I stuck to 22" and below. Most 24" are 1920x1200. I do find however that the massive size of 24" makes that resolution pretty readable.

 

I wonder how different the 1002 panel is compared to my 1001. It's probably just from a different manufacturing center. When Samsung's panels first come out they limit it to one manufacturing center, then as the popularity grows and more stores get them, they start using different places to make them, Samsung has been strict on their new panels so the colors are calibrated the same (check out the 226BW to see the problems with Samsung using different manufacturers), so I guess some have just been having different problems. Mine doesn't have any dead pixels either. I haven't heard of any problems with any LCDs made from 2007 and up getting dead pixels these days.

 

Ok. Reporting in. After reading all the relatid reviews, forums I have only two candidates:

1. HP 2207h: USB, pivoting, glossy, adjustable, great picture
2. Samsung 2253BW\Samsung T220: great picture, not seen before

Before I take my final decision, I would like to ask you guys (especially
Michael and Ackeron) about the point 2. Both samsung looks great and quite similar. Do you know the differences or why do you take the 2253 instead of T220?

 

The Samsung T220 just came out this week, I think. It's pretty much the same as the 2253BW, but has a red exterior and bezel and can go up to 20,000:1 for contrast ratio, though it still has a typical 1000:1, and turning on dynamic contrast ratio is annoying and ruins a movie or whatever. Oh, I just found the difference. They should both have the same picture, the T220 is just also meant for people who want to hook up stuff like cable, Xbox, etc. to their monitor (notice how it looks like a mini HDTV?). The T220 is also much thicker because of the extra connections.

 

Extra connections? Arent you talking about the T220 HD (!) version by chance? T220 has only analog and dvi, while T220 HD has addicional HDMI?

http://www.prad.de/en/guide/ergebni...order_by=price&order_order=asc&Submit=compare

 

Just got my replacement 2253...let's see if she buzzes!

Update: Same panel ID as before, and sadly, same buzz. It doesn't seem as loud as the other monitor, but yeah...........boo-erns.

 

Becasue I cant see any big differences between 2253 and t220 i would go for 2253 (i prefer black) but i do not know that dynamic ratio is really matter in life or not, especially the quality on the screen i mean?

Is the 20k:1 (2253) ratio useful vs. 8k:1 (T220)? What would you say?

 

Actually, they both use a fairly similar same panel. They both have a static 1000:1 contrast ratio. The settings are calibrated differently for dynamic contrast ratio on the T220. Dynamic contrast ratio is a method of increasing the backlighting (making the screen brighter or darker) to produce deeper blacks and whites. It's really annoying to turn on since the screen brightness will keep changing, so it won't make a difference. The T220 is really thick and the only real difference is all the extra connections on the T220 and the more "HDTV-like" casing. The 2253BW is a much more practical choice for a PC monitor.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4l2yo_cebit-2008-samsung-syncmaster-t220_tech

I also think, like with all of Samsung's other "media monitors", it may saturate colors.

 

Thanks for your answer Michael. I take your advise and the other and now i have only two candidates:

1. Hp 2207h
2. samsung 2253BW

I read so much about both and you gave me very useful pieces of advices, the only problem is that I havent seen the samsung before, and i just cant compare it and i do not want to buy something that i havent seen before. I will ask Samsung Switzerland about this monitor, where can i see it...

 

Anpe: I've seen both the HP and the Samsung in person. The HP was glossy had reflected all the lights in BestBuy, drove me crazy. It looked very nice, but I'm not sure I could live with the reflective panel.

The Samsung, well, as I've said, looks great once you calibrate it properly. The bezel is glossy and picks up dust like no other--when I had my 2nd 2253 it picked up a ton of dust within just a few days, especially on the stand. Other than that the actual picture was very nice, although a little of the blue dominance remained after calibration. Provided you don't get a buzzing 2253 I think it's a great LCD.

Unfortunately I went through 2 buzzing ones and didn't want to keep trying for a .1001 model like Michael has So I'm going to wait for a later revision or perhaps get Dell's Ultrasharp 22".

 

I've seen the HP 2207h in person, hooked up to a computer (not a display model), and it looks really ugly compared to the 2253BW. The colors are just so much more vivid and also precise on the 2253BW. Also, the picture didn't look as sharp on the HP and text is a bit harder to read on it. I thought I'd like a glossy monitor like the HP, but it's annoying as hell.

BTW, Ackeron, I'd recommend the LG L227WT over the Dell Ultrasharp 22" because the Dell has a lower static contrast ratio, and, since Dell doesn't manufacture their on panels, there's six different types you might get, so if you'll have to get lucky to get the best one. Where's you buy your 2253BW? I got mine at CircuitCity since they ere the first to get it and I got mine the first eek it came out, after being really dissatisfied with the LG L226WT. I've looked and read a lot about every other 22" monitor out there that's around $300 before buying this one, and I still think I've made the right choice.

Anape, you could take both home (HP and Samsung) and compare them side-by-side, most stores on't make you pay a restocking fee once you've settled on one. I personally didn't feel like doing that since I read a lot to make sure I chose the right monitor.

 

Hey Michael,

Thanks for the reply. I've heard quite a few people recommend the LG and I'm going to see if anyone around here carries it. Monitor selection at stores w/o a restocking fee in Canada is pretty limited which sucks, but oh well. Unfortunately Dell Canada does charge a restocking fee (just found out), so I'm definitely going to check out the LG. Even if it's the 2nd best I can get, if it doesn't buzz I'm happy Thanks!

 

Just read a review of the LG L227WT. I wouldn't get it, sounds worse than the L226WT that I had, which I returned. That review reminds me how horrible it was. Every black and grey had weird flickering tone to it and there was some bad ghosting. Colors looked weird, even when they were optimized right. I guess you'll have to settle with a Dell monitor or call Samsung and see what they say if you want a good monitor.
http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-3278-35.html

 

Ah damn. Oh well. I actually read this review ( http://prad.de/en/monitore/review/2008/review-lg-l227wt.html ) which said the L227WT wasn't bad. Other than the Samsung it seems kind of like a crapshoot to be honest