*HP ENVY 14 (1XXX series) Owners Lounge, Part 1*

Ditto. They always seemed terribly overpriced when added as an option during configuration, so I didn't even consider it. Now I'm regretting it. Hell, I might end up returning the laptop and reordering just to get one with an SSD for a reasonable price.

I called HP sales and they won't sell the SSD's standalone and they were eager to tell me to cancel and reorder if I really wanted an SSD.

 

haha. they probably get a nice bulk discount

 

Wow i thought the envy 15 threads were long. LOL

Question regarding the CPU performance while on battery --

On the first page it claims that there is no throttling of the CPU while on battery, but when I go to THIS link (by erathostenes) for 'proof' I see that the actual posts comparing plugged in vs. on battery show a severe reduction in the wPrime benchmark results of 30 to 40% across the board

The CPU info shows a 20x multiplier yet the results look just like what the envy 15 does by throttling the CPU while on battery. Has anyone confirmed the multiplier with something other than CPUID HW monitor ??

 

Just tested the USB version of Chrome OS on my lappy(an old dell). Chromium OS builds by Hexxeh

My battery is fried, but it is safe to assume this would easily double the battery life. Very little RAM (66 MB with a couple of extensions) and CPU power is used. It's an amazing feat.

There's even a way to dual boot it(grub-based linux needed).
multiboot [Chromium OS builds by Hexxeh]

I could see this getting 8-9 hours on the Envy 14 super easily. That's more than enough for surfing, google apps, ect.

I'll try it when I get my loan money and buy one. Would love to see something sooner if anyone is interested in testing it Booting via USB would be enough to find out an estimated battery life.

 

not sure anyone have the dimensions but i will go ahead and ask....

what is the package size e14 comes at?
i am going to ship the whole package to another country once it arrives at my US billing address, so I would like to find out about the original package size
thanks

 

BTW, hows does this "rep power" work?

 

OK, so I took a walk over to Mac Rumors forums to see what you mean.

At first I was like, "ooo, alright, that's some nicely laid out format they've got there." But then I was like, "But Apple only makes a few products which have the same name year after year."

HP comes out with a new product every 2 years. Sometimes even less. If we were to subforum every notebook HP ever made allowing users to make threads about each product under the subforum...

Well, it's not the worst of ideas. But the problem with it is, the majority of questions or posts tend to be general questions or posts. Some related to contemporary OSs and some to legacy. Some about peripherals connected to specific notebooks. And so on and so forth. You name it. What happens is that not only does information get fragmented, but the knowledge base is diminished due to less general exposure. You might not want a specialized knowledge base because then you only get exposed by a few individuals that might have an opinion. And then you are at their mercy to get an answer. Moreover, in specialized sub threads, you will only get people who are presently interested in that particular thread.

Whereas, in a thread that has many people reading, you have more of a chance that someone would know something or have read something pertaining to a particular notebook and can pass that information on.

We have found that the lounge format has been immensely helpful for participants. We're still finding ways to improve it. So I'm not dismissing your suggestion out of hand. Just taking it under advisement and will see if there is a way to successfully integrate something along those lines.

Stay tuned...

(You know the Clown of war ani-gif made you laugh.)

 

I'm not arguing your choice of components since it's your money - spend it how you want. If you want to argue that in a couple years ssd's will drop in price awesome, but in those few years dual cores (i5) will also drop dramatically in price (probably be near obsolete) and I'm sure quads will be in most entry level units lol. But since you need 500GB in your laptop, then it doesn't matter since the prices for 256gb+ SSD is pretty ridiculous haha

 

All your rep are belong to me.


You click the scale at the bottom left of any post and it will give the poster a rep. The number of rep you can give a poster is determined by your rep power. But you can dole out but so much rep in a day. Meaning you can only rep about 3 posts per day no matter how much rep power you have.

 

If you look at the numbers he's running the longer wprime benchmark and unplugged in the middle of the benchmark.

it lasts to 23% while plugged and starts at 23% while unplugged.


plus as you go along it takes longer to calculate the higher prime numbers. If he had done the shorter one and run it all the way through both on battery and plugged in I think they'd be the same (or close enough)

 

Not going to be possible with an i5 series CPU considering that at full idle (CPU only no IGP power) it draws a minimum of 5.24W which at 9 hours would be 47Wh of your 59Wh capacity, add; IGP, memory, display, HDD etc and .... you can do the math...

 

Student discount is only for US residents.
I also live in Canada and i gotta find someone to buy the E14 from US for me.
[ MOD EDIT - 2.0 say, you no bypass language filter] HP screwed canadians with stupid uncustomizable, overpriced 1050CA model(It has i5-430m and no radiance screen). We also pay stupid 13% tax too. The e14 in canada probably gonna be at least 1500 dollars.
We also have to pay customs when it crosses border. Sign...
[ MOD EDIT- 2.0 say, wash out mouth with soap, make many happy bubble] you HP.

 

dont worry, i share the same predicament as u, but im from asia

so back to my previous question in case some1 miss it, does any1 know about the dimensions of the e14 delivery package?

 

Ok. So.....what exactly is your point? Current SSDs, for the capacity I need right now, are off the table, because they're WAY too expensive. Period. So, the rest of your comments regarding my processor and memory choices are entirely moot. Every technology becomes obsolete - especially today, it happens sooner than later. Changing a processor in the future is a wee bit more complicated than swapping in a SSD in the future, wouldn't you say? And, yes, as you put it...it is my money. I configured my PC the way I did for a reason. Leave it alone, please.

 

Oops; I didn't look at the % complete column. Thought he had ran the identically tests on both Thanks for clarifying that.

 

Didn't mention your memory options. Don't have a problem with your processor option either. Just saying you said a few years down the line ssd's will be cheaper, yeah cool so will the current line of CPUs. Just making a statement to that. But get what you need now since like you said tech does become obsolete.

 

I agree with the above poster I would like to see E14 have its own sub forum with sub forums in it kind of like how the Alienware has sub forums for the M11x. Everyone over on the M11x forums are very helpful and i think eventually the E14 boards will be the same. I think after more and more people get their E14s there will be people posting optimization threads, benchmarks and threads with general questions.
Just my $0.02

BestWishes
-mac

 

See this rebuttal: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...hp-envy-14-owners-lounge-578.html#post6452431

Alienware only has a few notebooks. Dell has brands divisions that have been around a while (Inspiron, precision, XPS). HP only has Elitebook and Pavillion that have been around for a while. HDX? Gone. Envy? Going to be gone in a few years likely.

Anyway, as I said in a prior post, I'll consider something that might or might not be workable.

 

Plus, at this point, only 2 or 3 people here actually have their Envy 14. I'd imagine it'd be easier to evaluate what's needed in the future, once people actually receive them, right? At this point, we're all pretty much just speculating and ing & moaning (that includes me).

P.S. Yes, the clown of war did make me laugh.

 

Thanks for the fast response.
I have to admit I have only ready the owners lounge thread about 150 pages back. A friend of mine just called me and told me about all the links on the first page and already I find this thread far more helpful that before.
But that's my fault for not starting from page 1.
BestWishes,
-mac

 

Maybe just an HP Envy subforum? I see no reason to make lots of subforums for each notebook, but since HP Envy is it's own line of products, why not just have an HP Envy subforum?

 

hey.

be glad we get subforums at all.

Acer doesn't get anything.

 

I think an Envy subforum would be great as well. When I come to these boards to read and post, I don't care about HP's other notebooks, I am just interested with the Envy series.

I am a Dell XPS owner, and I love the way Dell has an XPS sub forum. Why does it matter that the Envy line won't be around in a few years? That just means we will only have a few years to discuss the Envy series, which is plenty long enough for its own subforum.

Anyways, good job moderating this thread 2.0, keep up the good work =]

 

I submitted a proposal to the Boss of Bosses™.

It would look like this:

Subforums by product line:

Pavillion
Elitebook
Probook
Envy
HDX
Presario/G Series
Mini
HP Drivers and software

To which I would sticky the respective Owner's Lounges.

Thing is I and me fellow Moddersaurus Rex's would have to migrate threads into each respective subforum. Of course that will take us a while and... God willing... the forum would go down big time to teach y'all a lesson not to ask for stuff.

Oh, and if it does get accepted I'm banning everyone who thought or thinks it's a good idea. I keep a list. Nothing personal. It's for propriety sake. Or rather, think of it as a sacrifice to the CyberGods for the blessing of this great and noble undertaking. I tease. I tease.

 

Eh, why not just leave the threads where they stand? I do notice that the NBR forums don't auto-prune. There's like 1000 pages in the main HP forum.

Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the greater good.

 

Too many subforums has what I call a diluting effect. Too little information scattered over too many places makes browsing the forum less smooth and prevents people from stumbling across something they may have not been looking for, but piqued their interest anyway.

 

I haven't been around here long but I don't like AVS Forum because they like lumping everything related to a product under one thread. It's no fun trying to read through a thread with 10,000 posts! It's happening here. Most posts will be irrelevant and there's no way most people will read through that many posts. Having smaller posts works much better because you can digest 2, 20 or even 100 posts easier and get what you're really looking for after a search. Searching for something and arriving at a thread with 5,000 posts isn't going to help anyone.

The way I see it if people really want to post they should post under "HP, Compaq and Voodoo PC" with an appropriate title (Envy 14 Battery Life Tweaks etc.). If they want to "hang out" and sometimes post relevant items then the owners lounge is where it's at. The other purpose of a lounge is stroking each others ego and comparing how theirs is that many ms bigger, I mean better than the other. As far as I'm concerned, the "OFFICIAL: HP ENVY 14 Owners Lounge" is a shrine for the product.

Kneel before Zod!

 

This is what what a proper OP is for. Consolidation of information.

 

I have OCD. SO it has to be nice and tidy if implemented.

Bless you my son(or daughter). Your sacrifice will not be in vain. Your name will live on forever in our hearts.

 

That is my main concern. But perhaps a properly titled thread would also pique interest. I read a lot of threads out of interest (and of course duty) and discover all sorts of neato-mandeto things.

But 50% don't read the 1st post. I don't blame them. When you log in and click a thread, it takes you to the latest. So some may not be aware the 1st post exists.

 

Yeah, she just meant the only other shipping option on CTO notebooks, which is the "two business days" shipping.

Honestly, in my experience, HP drop ships these things from China in droves and they always wind up on my doorstep in 2-3 business days anyways, regardless of whether I paid more to expedite shipping. They probably have some mass bulk shipping deal and use the same service regardless. They just guarantee 2 days with the upgraded shipping and the standard shipping is like, "eh, if we miss the truck today, no big deal."

 

That's my concern too. What if someone poses a question only to get virtually no one reading it because no one's surfing the HP Envy thread but some other HP-related thread instead? The beauty of having everything on one forum is that a larger pool of people are viewing the most recent threads, which increases the chances someone can answer questions.

 

The owner's threads will be migrated into the new subsections and remain open. There have been Envy 14 threads made in the main HP forum the get plenty of views and some responses. If they were in a Envy subsection, they would likely get even more views and more answers. We'll see.

Anyway, the idea is presently being considered and might see implementation.

 

I was wondering about The graphic card,
Do you guys knows if it was switchable between the Intel and ATI ? either for i5 and i7

 

We discovered something over on the Acer 4820TG thread that might be of interest to potential Envy buyers. In burn testing the I3-350M models, we noticed that the units were consistently throttling around 86C. You can see it here. http://forum.notebookreview.com/6441401-post162.html.

This was a real shock to us, because the early versions of the I7-620M 3820TGs were running from 87C to 89C (in 30C ambient temps) with no evidence that there was any negative effect on performance. The dual sink cooling system seemed unphased by the I7's heat and the I7 never throttled. We concluded that the I7 was not throttling because it had a significant amount of head space between the 87C and the 104C max temps of the I7.

The throttling did not look like the cooling system was failing, but looked like something inherent in the CPU itself. So we looked a bit deeper. What we saw was that the maximum thermal junction temperature of the integrated GPU in the I3-350M is 85C. SLBPK (Intel Core i3 Mobile I3-350M) This was within a degree C of the temperature that the I3-350M was throttling (86C). The obvious conclusion is, that they were related. In a way, that was right and in a way it was wrong.

What I had failed to notice and what was pointed out to me by NGAW was, that the max operating temp of the I3-350M is 90C, not 104C, like the I7 or the I5. http://forum.notebookreview.com/6444396-post179.html What we concluded was that the throttling at 86C was about right, considering the max temp of 90C and the maximum thermal junction temperature of 85C. This seems to be a fundamental difference between the I3 procesors and the I5/I7 units that seems to have been overlooked by virtually everyone. The termal properties of the I5 look to be superior to the I3. I think that the I3-370M in the Envy has a max op temp of 90C but can't confirm this. http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i3/Intel-Core i3 Mobile I3-370M CP80617004119AL.html Note the "?" next to max temp on the 370M's data page. So, at this point, no one can be sure.

In real world computing, we don't see any throttling in the I3's. It's just that there is this theoritical difference that is observable at the extremes, as in the burn test. I thought that new buyers would like to know this.

Bronsky

 

I5 only. i7 has no integrated graphics.

 

@2.0

Not sure how well an 'envy' sub forum would work. The original Envy 15 owners lounge had to be shut down and restarted from a new first page because it was so large and active that it actually crashed the NBR forum server on several occassions (and that does not count the newer envy 15 gen 2 owners lounge). Here a link to the post from the NBR lead moderator (Charles Jefferies) about the issue : HERE

At the rate this envy14 thread is going it will surpass the level of the 15 thread very soon....

 

that is quite the finding. however, where are the sources for the min/max temps? is everything derived from user input/experience? i am just being wary about cpu-world's credibility

 

Actually, that's probably why it will get implemented to prevent these lounges from getting that big. Plus we can move some posts out of the lounges and into subsection threads. I'm thinking that eventually, with subsections, the lounges will lose their appeal - as useful as they are/were.

Anyway, I'll send these concerns up the ladder to see what the consensus is. Thanks (all) for voicing them... pro and con.

 

I hear you, but we went looking becuase of what we were observing in the burn tests. The data bears out the information in the CPU sheets. It makes sense.

Bronsky

 

The coupons are generally for $ off. They've ranged from $250 to $500 over the years. Sometimes stackable, often times not.

Roll the dice and baby that Vostro in the interim.

 

Thanks for the reply
But, is it manual like a switch or Fn key or auto like Nvidia Optimus Tech.?

 

Yeah I did notice the max temp when you compare the 370m and 450m was different.

I thought nothing of it since I didn't think they'd get that high.

If it is a possible concern well, glad I picked the i5

 

I'm pretty sure it is manual since ATI does not have a similar technology to Nvidia's Optimus.

 

It isn't Optimus, and I know that there's a way to do it in the Catalyst Control panel (takes 5-10 seconds, from what I've heard). I'm definitely curious about a fn key combo, though, because that would be a lot easier than screwing around in software for the switch. TBH I can't really think of many scenarios where I'd need dGPU without being plugged in, and it auto-switches from the 5650 to intergrated when it gets unplugged.

 

I don't, but my parents have. I was pretty young when we used Dell stuff. However, they paid for the extra warranty, which gave them a "special" phone # to call. They were pretty pleased with it. That was nearly 10 years ago though, so I can't make the comparison.

I can't say that HP is HORRIBLE, but then I can't say that they're great either.

 

I think you can just right click on the desktop and swap to it. Never used it though so you may have to go into the control panel.


we'll see when it gets here.

 

wow e14, you are seeming more and more like a troll.

Thanks, I am very glad you wrote that single letter that changed the hp exec's view on pricing amongst other things. *sarcasm

other than that, more and more you are contributing less and less to this forum

 

Someone claiming to get 6-7 hours battery life on their Envy 14 with slice along with it being heavy with the slice.

[H]ard|Forum - View Single Post - Apple MBP 13in vs. HP Envy 14

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1035927116&postcount=18

 

He got 6-7hours with the slice at 100% brightness.