*HP ENVY 14 (1XXX series) Owners Lounge, Part 1*

HPs "job" as a manufacturer, is to sell their products for the maximum amount of money they can get for them. Our "job" as consumers, is to get the goods and services we need/want for the minimum amount of money we can pay for them.

Our entire economic model (supply and demand) is an immoral system anyway, in my opinion. Just because you can sell a loaf of bread, or a pair of shoes for 600 times what it cost you to manufacturer it, simply because the market will support it, doesn't make it acceptable to do so, in my view.

If you think large organizations like HP dont "skirt the rules" when they can, you are diluting yourself. They do. and in my opinion, the consumer is entitled to the same. Especially when they are working within the framework laid out by the manufacturer.

I see nothing wrong with what the forum participants are doing here.

 

most software are 32-bit still... but 64bit OS supports 32bit... you will have your software separated between 'program files'(64bit) and 'program files x86' (32bit)

EDIT: i mis understood your post at first but now i get it may i ask what kinda software that is?

 

usa! usa! usa!

 

Americans will never ever ever ever ever learn their lesson. Ever. How do you think we got into the recession in the first place?
And about Apple... Other than the overpriced machines, and super-hype that surrounds their expensive product, their customer service is just not nice.

Here is a funny, basic lesson in macro-economics. For those who want to learn and laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk

 

I totally agree with you..I mean what the heck was I thinking??? The government is talking about wiping everyone's debts--how will that teach people to manage their money...if the government keeps spending our tax dollars saving those pathetic people. I hope it doesn't pass, those people need to learn the hard way..not an easy way out.

 

I really think we need to move away from the Keynesian system, and stop spending so much. Maybe we should try saving? At least there isnt as much fluctuation in boom and bust cycle.

 

okay... I lol'd

 

HA HA!! I loved that! Spot on.... THAT=TRUTH!

 

According to other people in my lab, certain features of MATLAB won't work with 64 bit Windows.

edit to say: this is because my school only distributes a license for the 32-bit version for personal use... Which stops the symbolic math toolbox from working

General question to everyone, and I apologize for the OT nature: Does Fallout 3 run under Windows 7 64 bit? The official microsoft site says "no."

 

HP is making your computer at sweatshop labor prices in china, not only that, they are charging you 150%-200% above retail price when you look at the cost of components. So don't cry because you think people are cheating HP out of $100, when people in china working for HP are killing themselves, and they have to put up nets around the building to keep them from jumping off.

The Foxconn Suicides - WSJ.com


Foxconn Installs Anti-Suicide Nets at Its Facilities w/ pictures
DailyTech - Foxconn Installs Anti-Suicide Nets at Its Facilities

 

I got it to work great on 64-bit Ultimate. There may be a very annoying chirping sound whenever the radio is off. but that is easily fixed by turning the radio on, and radio vol. to 0.
FO3 should be played with mods only btws. Vanilla is icky.

 

chirpy sound may be a codec issue if you're using ffdshow somehow (meaning cccp codec pack or k-lite codec pack or whatever)

 

Yeah, I'm with you on this too...but Apple is worse, they make you pay $30 for a stupid bumper (that costs pennies to produce) to make your iPhone into a phone.

 

Almost everything that works on 32 bit will work on 64 bit. I say almost because any program that requires special drivers may not work unless they have 64 bit versions of those drivers.

MATLAB works completely on 64 bit. The latest version has all the packages that the 32 bit version does. According to me, the people in your lab must be clueless about 32 bit and 64 bit compatibility. If they are talking about an external MATLAB package, then ask them to specify which one.

 

Saving money won't do anything. Not spending more than what you have or can have is the problem so the problem lies within the banks who authorize the loans, not the people.

 

DAMN ... 483 pages.
Another refresh & it might be up to 500... time for a new thread?

 

As I said in a previous post, it's the symbolic math toolbox. Part of the issue is that my school only has a 32 bit license for personal computers (which is what I am running MATLAB on). Anyway, this is getting pretty far OT...

 

haha ya it is pretty ridiculous. Nobody besides the people at Germany even have this product yet.

 

Yeah, I kinda wish we would have stayed in the "other" thread and kept this only for real owners. It's all cluttered up with the same questions and speculations as the other thread.

 

*sees 161 pages, still ridiculous*

 

Wrong. It does. I have it on my notebook right now with a 64 bit OS.

 

I am running Fallout 3 fine on my Win7 x64 machine at home. Edit: I have the Steam version

You can always run a 32bit virtual machine on your 64 bit system to support applications that only run in a 32 bit environment. Edit: I use Virtual Box and VmWare Player for setting up virtual machines.

 

The Symbolic package for MATLAB has been working on 64bit since 3 versions ago.

 

Yep. Plus, my local daily newspaper (yes, i know, im old fashioned did an expose on a Foxconn worker, in which they revealed that he works for 75 cents per hour. They also revealed that the workers were routinely required to work brutal "overtime" shifts in violation of Chinese law, if the shift missed its quota of whatever they were manufacturing that day. When the worker was asked about working over the lawfully allowed amount of time per week, he stated that he didn't even know there was an overtime law governing the amount of time they could be required to work.

I hope HP execs are reaping huge bonuses for keeping costs down! (sarcasm)

 

I see 161 also, because we have the number of posts per page ratcheted up.

 

Does the 21-day return policy start after you order or after the laptop is delivered?

 

I just found something disturbing. The notebookcheck reviewer found graphical glitches in a couple games during his 5650 review! I was hoping the new ATI cards might not be as bad as the ones I used in the past, but this shows that they are still trash.

Notebookcheck: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650 Graphics Card Review

 

e14, report is dated dec 2009, iam sure Ati updates would have resolved all the gliotches. None of the guys using an envy 14 has reported any issues with their cards/rig.

 

aww I'm a bit annoyed that Stalker: CoP can't be played above medium.

I got that during the steam sale. Though at least it should play Stalker: SoC well.

 

Nobody has done any real gaming yet with their envy14, stefan did a little bit of warcraft and thats been about it.

 

I bought 3 HP laptops in the past 3 months, 2 Envy 15's and a TM2t. One of the Envy and the tm2t were delayed by a month, and these aren't hot new models like the 14. Just saying don't get your hopes up too high or you'll be majorly disappointed.

 

nah.

HD is user replaceable. Same with the ram.

 

No you don't. It's 21 day return pretty much no questions asked (other than why).

 

161? I only see 97... not even at 100 yet. Still debating between the envy 14 and 3820tg... just waiting to see battery life now for the envy 14.

edit: heh, and I started page 98...

 

Most excellent games my friend

 

hmm true in some sense, i wonder whats the best cpu to get, like is the 820QM worth it? or is the 720 better. Or is i7 an overkill and a i5 520 is better?

YEAH THE KID INSIDE ME WANTS TO GAME :tongue: :wub:

 

"You Americans..." Akin to "you people." Considered derogatory and condescending.

No it's not exactly on the up and up where some are concerned. But in the context of this thread, there were very many posters upset at HP jacking the price up by $100 as compared to HP stating that the release base price would be $999. They were going so far as saying HP "lied". I didn't agree with the posters who were upset about it. But I let that go. Folks are going to feel what they are going to feel especially with this much excitement and anticipation of a product.

To each his own conscious. I'm not worried about it. And believe me, as a mod I can be a stickler. But the ball is in HP's court. When HP's had enough, they'll shut the program's loophole down.

 

A "crime" still not justifies another "crime". When your brother gets shot, you don’t automatically earn the right to shot the killer. It’s a BS argument, and you know it.

And you can't break it down like that with retail price.
The figures you base your percents on, are not valid.
If I recall correctly, you found the "hidden price" of all the components. When adding all those up, you end out with the total amount HP is charging you, 1099$.

But where is the price on the motherboard, the design costs, the development cost, the casing etc.
You need to take all these into account, and you haven’t.
Basically what I’m saying is that the prices you found are too high, as the costs I wrote above are hidden within these. Therefore your 150-200% is too high.

The prices you found doesn't reflect the actual prices, it's just the way HP makes their web shop work.

Hope my English is good enough for you to understand my point

 

Two things about that. Yay, three.

1. Need to centralize the discussion otherwise, as past experience suggests, you get dozens and more threads about a product. Even threads started to simply show what one has configured to order. The some of the threads have good info which is fragmented. And then there's cross-posting (a forum no-no).

2. A lot of these posters will become your online friends as you would be sharing a common experience. A little off topic is welcome so you can all build a rapport with one another. You're more than just computer buyers, you're human beings - with hopes and dreams and feelings and... cumbya, akuna matata, yin yang, karma and all sorts of good/bad joojoo.

3. As for oft repeated questions, I can guarantee you that in 3 to 6 months you will still see some of the same questions reoccurring. Many do not search, or their search terms do not bring up specifically relevant posts, or they don't know how to search properly. So what to do? Answer the question quickly and courteously(humorously works too) or point the new poster where they might find the answer. (You can also ignore them which propels the impetus to look a little deeper on their own.)

I know this thread moves fast - popular notebook and all - but I hope some will take the time to read this post and spread the love.

 

820 isn't really worth it in my opinion, it's only 133 MHz faster than the 720. The 840qm, however, might be worth it if you have the cash. If not, the 720 would be fine. I wouldn't get an i5 if I were you, go for the quad core.

 

The Envy 14 is not the only laptop using an HD5650

 

Yea, expect this on an envy14

YouTube - Battlefield: Bad Company 2 on Ati Radeon HD 5650 gameplay: Upriver_Part 2/2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qak_N4g_xLk&feature=related <= GTA4

Minus 5 to 10 framerate due to the higher resolution. But since those videos are taken with fraps you gotta add +10/15 frames per second to what you're seeing in those videos.

 

yeah. I've had SoC forever but never could play it that well (due to well...it being coded pretty badly. Stalker 2009 should fix that but I've been lazy. haven't tried it on the asus g1. gonna play it on the envy)

 

But it has its own issues that can't be determined by considering the performance of other 5650 laptops: How will gaming on the 5650 affect battery life? How will it affect heat? How will the 5650 handle 1600x900 resolution instead of the standard 1366x768?

 

Then don't buy anything from HP if it is such an outrage. You're obviously against their pricing and against their business practices. If you want to make your voice heard or stand up for what you are preaching simply don't buy an HP machine. Thus far I've seen you send emails and write to HP about their price hike and their component choices. You're obviously interested in this machine. Your name is "e14". Everyone has their price and for you, it's the Envy 14. I'm willing to bet that after all this talk you're still going to buy the Envy 14. I mean lets not pretend you didn't know that companies mark up their prices 100-200%. If HP is doing it so is Apple, Asus, Acer, Lenovo, etc etc. Lets not pretend that you didn't know that thousands of companies outsource to China where people work 18hrs, get paid in dimes, are underaged, and abused. You knew all of that. It's not just HP. Your article said Apple as well. Add in about every other company out there (Nike, Reebok, Polo, Abercrombie, etc etc etc).

 

Irie people.

No more judgmental posts about who, what, when, why, how someone is obtaining an Envy 14.

Unless it's something really crazy and we can all join in on the fun.

(Mon, me can't wait until random ban Friday. )

 

The fact remains that
#1 HP is the immoral one for using sweatshop labor, dozens of people are committing suicide at the factories. Customers who call in and complain for a discount are not even remotely immoral, compared to this.

#2 They are not losing any significant amount of money if you take a $100 discount that they offer to you for complaining, it is still a profitable sale.

#3 Yes the HP price breakdown doesn't account for the motherboard and chassis, but if you look at the trends in the CPU pricing scheme you can clearly see that they are price gouging. The cost of a 520M processor is +$150, and was +$200 before the price reduction! That is $100 more than the 450M, which is a similar priced CPU, that is $100 of pure profit to HP. They are making their money off of the stupid uneducated buyers who assume a bigger CPU model number means bigger performance and is worth paying more for, and they are exploiting this by charging them more, which is of course immoral... if you think about it.

 

Ok, some reasonable points were made here. And I think this issue has been fleshed out enough.

But guess what? That's the last of this type of post... for a few days at least.

Hopefully posters will read the above sentence because going forward I'm just going to delete them without notice (or asking permission 'cause I can do that and that's how I'm gonna roll.)

 

I can't speak for him in college -- I don't know what he's doing -- but there is a place for "nicer" computers at some point. When I was in college, I built a couple of desktop machines that each totaled ~$1,800 because I knew they would get some really intense use: almost everything I ever had to do for school save for note-taking, which I preferred to do on paper; games; the occasional movie, and so on.

Now that I'm in med school, I and most of my fellow med students still have the same financial concerns, but when you're going to spend a lot of time on a computer, you may as well throw in a few extra hundred and be happier with it.

(ETA: this post trembles in fear of 2.0's deletehammer.)

 

lol 2.0, by the time i posted that already people had made 2 whole pages of posts, not my fault