*HP ENVY 17 & 17 3D (1XXX series) Owners Lounge*

Yep, I used the same earphones and headphones back when I had the Envy 15 that I'm still using with my 17. I use Shure E2c and Sony MDR-7506 among others. The static is most noticeable on my E2c while the static level sounds relatively the same through most of my other cheap and expensive monitors alike. Funny thing is, I also tested out two Apple earphones- one that came with the first iPod Shuffle, and one that came with the current gen iPod Touch. Surprisingly, the older pair has the least amount of static out of all my tests, while the newer one produces the same amount of static as my other tests. I'm guessing the older pair of Apple earphones produced less static due to its age and gradual loss of sensitivity. Therefore, I honestly don't think the earphones are the issue here, but rather, it's got something to do with internal interference. My old Toshiba DTR notebook also had an IDT soundcard, yet it never produced static with whatever I used. Even some of my cheaper notebooks don't do that. I think it's time I perform an internal inspection on my Envy.

About the subwoofer:

According to p.18 on the service manual, the subwoofer is a separate, removable component from the speakers (I'm assuming the sound card is integrated onto the motherboard like most notebooks). I'm going to check over the weekend if the subwoofer, among other parts, is causing the static noise through the audio ports.


@zero7404

I'll check out what's underneath the Enter and Shift key while I have the hood popped.

 

Hey guys... quick one... is it possible to set the brightness hotkeys on F2 or F3 to allow you to dim the screen all the way to black? (like on a Mac)... not even sure if this is the correct thread for that question... but I'm trying to see if I can get this working on my Envy

 

Hi, I just want to make sure, is it all Envy 17 models where switchable gfx is disabled? There is just an offer this weekend at a shop but I just dont like that I cant disable that, even though I think for coding that the Envy 17 might be better (Lots of text on a 14.5" screen might be a bad cocktail?)

Is there any batterylife in a Envy 17 with a 6 cell battery? Or should I just get the Envy 14 and live with the smaller screen?

 

are peeps having similar issues with pavilions that have beats ?

 

finally been waiting for this moment

it has been shipped by fed ex cant wait for the unboxing with my hp envy 17

Anticipated ship date Aug 21, 2010
Estimated delivery Aug 26, 2010 by 4:30 PM

i hope it comes before thursday thanks to revhard i know it will come earlier then expected because the rep said the same thing with the high end thing...

 

3rd envy arrived from Amazon today. The bottom was scratched and marked up and it had a wobble. This is starting to get old...

It was almost as if it was a refurb??

 

Well I received my envy 17 and it is AWESOME! Not problems as of yet I have noticed. No spacing problems, no wobble and the heat issues are non existent...

i'll probably post some pictures of it and if anyone has questions i'll be happy to answer them.

 

was it sold to you as a new item ? if all the seals on the box looked untouched, then i think it's time HP got the bad rap it deserves and we should take our issues to consumerist.com.

pretty sure something like that will get them out of their slouched positions from their chairs ...

 

@ zero

Yes it was sold as a new item.

 

alright ... then we need to form a group and go to their site with a list of issues, they will put it on their page.

if u could, check the machine for any other faults/issues/etc.

amazon's policy can't do anything for you, since they say once it's opened, u have to go thru HP for any issues.

 

What can I do to make the waiting go faster. Ordered mine on August 7th. Shouldn't be here until September some time... stupid HP!

Argh. I just want to go through the rest of the "fun" like you guys...

 

Amazon actually does take defective items back. This is my second Envy 17 from them and they did not charge me a restocking fee for the first one.

 

Anyone that could say if its really true there is no way to get switchable gfx on Envy 17 with i5 cpu?

 

Find something else to do. My replacement Envy 17 is coming on Tuesday (newegg shipped it on a Friday) so the only thing I do to pass the time is to work on my new to me 20 year old car for school. It's nice to have auto mechanic skills and the tools to work on cars.

 

awesome mate man i wish i have those kinda skills lol so i dont have to worry about getting my car to other mechanics. some other mechanics are shady with there prices.

im also waiting mine by next week it shipped today and i hope it will come by Tuesday or Wednesday tops.

 

Until HP brings back the i5 for the Envy 17 you won't be seeing any switchable graphics. This was already mentioned several times in the previous posts.

 

Hope there isn't any further delay on your shipping. It would be so sad if you got a lemon and have to ship it back and wait for a replacement. Which would take several weeks LMAO.

 

I just got my Envy 17 about 4 days ago and i'm worried about how hot its been getting. When I played the crysis demo it got to around 80 degrees celcius and when i played the arma2 demo it got up to 83 degrees celcius. is this bad? thanks in advance

 

Can someone tell me does Envy 17 supports raid ?
Cheers.

 

no raid options in the bios, so no support. alienwares do support raid

 

thanks for your concern lol i hope so too

i just hope my envy is perfect without issues which in this case i know alittle percentage will have the perfect ones. im going to be surprised if mine is perfect lol

 

I just got my Envy 17 about 4 days ago and i'm worried about how hot its been getting. When I played the crysis demo it got to around 80 degrees celcius and when i played the arma2 demo it got up to 83 degrees celcius. is this bad? thanks in advance

 

Played with my new Envy 17 for a couple of days but I am puzzled why it does not have AERO? i have updated the graphic card driver. And the Envy 17 I am going to return does have AERO. This is really weird. Anybody have similar problem and solve it already? Thanks.

 

Take a look at the First page of this thread for the link (by me, BennyPac) labeled Heat Testing. You will see the GPU reaches > 100C under load. The CPU is a bit cooler at maximum.

Intel rate the CPU at 100C as a maximum. I recall another post in this thread describing the maximum for the GPU as 105C.

 

i also did a listening test thru the headphone jack. there is also a jack that looks like it's for a headset, but the one closest to the corner is what i used to test.

i used a pair of ER-4P's, which are made for portable devices, but i've plugged them directly into powered audio/computers before and they work fine (they actually deliver more lower freq. when plugged into these devices).

aside from the normal 'static' that all computer audio jacks emit, the sound output was actually quite good, i'm impressed. i assume this static you speak of is a low-volume white noise-like sound you'd notice when you're not listening to anything. unfortunately for the computer world, i've never seen an audio output circuit shielded well enough to compete with the likes of denon receivers or other high-end audio gear.

unless you're picking up an abnormal sound, or maybe you can compare to a computer's sound card headphone-out, it's normal.

as for my listening tastes, i've been ok with above-average devices like ipod. nothing really can compete with high-grade dedicated audio gear, my favorite being Denon's line of AVR's.

if HP was serious about audio as they are with video, they would have included an optical out on this machine, perhaps also made an attempt to isolate the audio output circuit.

 

Hopefully.

When I got my first one I was a tad nitpicky (maybe because of this site). One flaw and it would be RMA'd immediately. But not wanting to go though Newegg's RMA process I did a "three strikes" defect check. Wobble - one strike. Whining noise - 2 strikes. Keyboard bezel not sitting flush also imcomplete installation of the keyboard (applied pressure around the KB and heard clicking sounds) - 3 strikes.

But I did play around with it. Beautiful screen, excellent sound (no static), nice metal finish with no gaps. It was almost perfect. If it didn't have the wobble I would have kept it.

 

The Envy 17 I am looking at is an i5 Komplett.dk - HP Envy 17-1080 17,3" HD+ LED Processor Intel Core i5 450M / 2.4 GHz

Does that mean it has swtichable gfx?

 

I have seen people here mentioning that the Envy 17 laptop gets really hot while playing games, I have seen similar comments on their official website as well.

I am wondering if alienware with similar specs would also get equally hot?

has anyone had any luck with cooling pads?

I am not located in USA and will have this laptop shipped to Pakistan, do you guys think I should try my luck with this laptop or not. some people have said it wobbles and gets very hot and what not. But my heart is really set on it, I keep getting the feeling that this could be the one. And then I have to read about its temperature issues, wobbliness.

Shall I go for envy 17 with minimum specs or shall I go for its cheaper cousin DV7 with same processor and hard drive but a lesser graphics card.

my primary reason to buy this laptop is gaming.

 

Have a friend purchase it for you and check for defects before he sends it out to you. It gets HOT and the temperatures in the middle east will not help. Get a cooling pad one that moves a lot of air under the unit. The HP Envy and DV7 looks almost identical. I got an Envy 17 and my niece got the DV7 - the 1600x900 resolution is ok, but the 1920x1080 is just fabulous.

Have your friend in the US thoroughly test the unit before shipping out to you, preferably someone with some computer skills, so he/she can evaluate if its in good working order.

Some say that the i7-840 runs cooler than the i7-720 - but at $1499 now at Amazon and Newegg - the value for money for the i7-720 bundle is unbeatable.

 

Now that i've had it a few days i've started noticing small flaws,for one the keyboard bezel is not totally flush it is set down in at the edges and in the middle raises up over,because of this it gives a slight bowed appearance, to the middle of the keyboard,and i also noticed a small gap where the hdmi port is on the left side,and on the back on the right where the hinge is there is quit a large gap,other than these i haven't noticed anything else beside it is one hot beast i really love this laptop,should i RMA it because of these small flaws and take a chance of getting one with worse or just live with them.

 

I have been reading alot of reviews for the HP Envy 17 series and the only thing Im wondering about is if you guys still recommend this laptop even though it has some flaws.

I mean I have read alot about ppl who are having probs with heat, but is the heat too hot (so you cant use it) or is it just simply warm/hot?

And 2nd question is if its so high temps on the laptop that its about to fly, or is it just a little bit hot? I mean a bad thing must be that it will probably kill some component sooner than on a cool machine. Or doesnt it get just that hot?

Sry if these question already have been answered before in this thread.

//Oscar

 

the keyboard snaps in to the surrounding bezel (cover) then there are 4 screws holding it in place. if the screws are too tight, that might cause the keyboard to warp. what you can do is flip the laptop over, pull the battery, and remove the hdd and memory module panels. the screws on the panels are captive, so they will stay on the panels when loosened. DONT use a metal tool to pry the panels after you loosen them because they are metal and you will scratch them. best thing i can think of to get the panels off after you unscrew is either fingernails or a guitar pik or other plastic thing.

with the panels off, there are 3 screws in the battery bay and one in the memory module area. they are marked with a keyboard symbol, you may back them out a little bit and see if that alleviates the problem. also go around the edges of the keyboard with your finger and push it down to see if it hasn't snapped in properly (i doubt it if screws are holding it in place).

concerning the left i/o panel, mine arrived with similar misaligned gap near the ethernet port. that metal surround that has all the connections on it is bolted to the bottom chassis of the laptop and the connectors are on the main board. simply pushing it in won't do anything to fix the gap. on mine the top edge was sticking out a bit from the body lines. i pulled the keyboard and panel to have a look, then i played with the metal strip directly above the inputs to see if i can line it up better and reduce the gap. after a little wiggling and reseating the panel/cover, it looks much better with a hardly noticeable gap between the body lines.

as for the hinge gap you noticed, i think you're talking about the gap between the silver part of the hinge and the monitor backing ? if this is the case, the hinge is plastic and snaps in, so if you pushed it a little bit, it will snap right up against the monitor backing and the gap will disappear. if you are referring to the gaps between the hinges and the base panel/cover, the right one is slightly biased to the left (noticed this on 2 envy 17's so far). nothing can be done about that because there's no wiggle room on the hinge/laptop connection points, the hinge bases are pinned with the base of the laptop where they screw together. unless you take off the monitor and remove the silver hinge cover, there should be a screw that secures the actual hinge to the monitor housing, i haven't tried but it may allow some adjustment, allowing the hinge to shift a little bit to the right, getting rid of the excess gap.

 

So i've owned my envy 17 for about 2 weeks, and the more and more I use it the more I realize this computer is not worth what I paid. I upgraded everything from HP came to 2.2k with the student discount, i7 840qm, 8gb of ram, 1080p and 5850 graphics. I have been looking at the macbook pro and only ~$400 more for the same specs, plus 3-5x the battery life and metal enclosure, rather than the cheap plastic I find in this laptop, my current (which is being replaced by hp for a new one) the screen wasnt taped or glued into the body correctly nor was the headphone jack secure. It also seems some keys are being pressed down as use goes on and the back lighting isnt coming through on about 5 keys. Here is my monitoring after 3 hours of playing starcraft 2, my laptop is hot enough to burn you in more than 3 spots.



anyone else find this to just be another cheap laptop, when I ordered the laptop online the person who took my order told me the laptop is like a Ferrari which is why the battery doesn't last more than an hour. I just need some opinions.

 

is 65 celcius a good idle temp?

 

like most of you guys out there having similar issues im now aware of those things now

but some of you guys dont have a problem with the envy so its like a 50% chance if im going to replace mine or just return it.. but for me im sticking with my gut on this laptop. when my envy comes ill look for those issues and if it comes up by any chance ill have to replace it, but ill never return it because i was looking for this laptop for months.

i just hope im one of the lucky ones out there.

 

Take a look at the First page of this thread for the link (by me, BennyPac) labeled Heat Testing. It shows a comparison between idle/load temperatures with and without a cooling pad.

A cooling pad does significantly reduce temperatures under load.

 

USB 3.0 Issues Anyone?

OK, now it's my turn to cry out into the wilderness:

I have been attempting to use/test a Vantec Nextstar Dual Dock with USB 3.0, but I have experienced errors after long term use (1hr - 3hrs).

Five System Image backup attempts have all failed because of this problem.

The drive dock works fine for a while, but then the USB connection "disappears" with NO error messages at all. Subsequent Event Log errors or dialog box errors are a consequence of the drive "disappearing".

"Disappear?", you ask?

Following the error, the USB icon on the task bar is gone. Windows Explorer ceases to see the drive.

Following the error, the Device Manager reports:
Under "Universal Serial Bus controllers"
"USB Mass Storage Device Properties" (General tab)
"This device cannot start. (Code 10)"

The yellow warning triangle is displayed with the device icon.

Windows reports that the latest USB drivers have been installed for the USB 3.0 device.

Remember, this error occurs hours after the device has been working flawlessly.

This failure occurs with new drives and old (proven) drives. It occurs with two 3.5 inch drives installed and with only one 2.5 inch drive installed. Chkdsk reveals NO disk errors before or after the failures.

I am left with the conclusion that the failure occurs with the Vantec Dual Dock or the HP laptop. I have NO other USB 3.0 device to test the laptop against; however, three other USB 2.0 devices work flawlessly against the laptop's USB 3.0 connector.

There is no evidence of a power loss to the Dual Dock. Physical connections appear solid. Neither the laptop nor the Dual Dock are touched during testing.

I am still in the diagnosis phase and will send emails to Vantec and to HP Support.

Anything similar? Any thoughts?

 

@BennyPac

The issue you describe is similar to the eSATA issue I had with my G1S. Turned out that the eSATA controller on my external drive was the problem. Possible that the USB 3.0 controller on the dock is finicky.

 

Sorry, but I've been busy this past weekend and was not able to check the possible source of your 'Enter/Shift key" noise.


Regarding your reply:

Yes, I can understand what you mean, but I doubt the level of white noise (I'll call it static) I'm hearing is considered normal even for generic computer audio standards. I've gone through at least a dozen computers in the past decade and none of them exhibited this high amount of static as my Envy is exhibiting. You speak of all audio equipment in the computer world as exhibiting the "normal static" i'm experiencing, but I can assure you from my experience as well that this is the first time I've ever heard the static clearly enough to become so problematic- why else would I be mentioning it so adamantly?

Before you posted your response, I was conducting an experiment through my friends' various notebooks/desktops, testing out the perceived static level through their audio ports using five different ear/headphones (from Apple generics to a pair of Denon AH-whatever my audiophile friend lent). For control reasons, I conducted the tests in the same room with no ambient noise. It quickly became apparent that the quality of the ear/headphones I was using didn't factor in as a variable, because you could either hear or not hear discernible levels of static through all or none of the test ear/headphones on the various computers. In most cases (besides one pre-Dell Alienware notebook), there were minimal to non-discernible levels of static, and none of the discernible noise were even three times as loud as the static through my Envy ports. Taking my little experiment back home, I tested three of my most recently retired notebooks, a desktop, and four of notebooks from my family members. Almost all of them produced non-discernible levels of static (sounded like dead silence on my MDR-7506 and the Denon AH-whatever). One Fujitsu notebook produced minimal levels of static, but that notebook was known for its damaged audio card. Once again for reference, my ex-Envy 15 G2 that I returned produced "dead silence" during standby as well.

Having said this, it doesn't make sense to negate my "static" issues as something that's apparently a problem with all computers. Yes, I agree that all audio equipment exhibit certain levels of the various white/pink/gray/etc. noises, but it seems the audio ports on my Envy 17 are experiencing abnormal levels of interference from internal parts (or the part was faulty to begin with).

Honestly, I'm very grateful that I received a near flawless copy of the Envy 17. My fear is that should I issue a maintenance ticket for my 17, HP will f**k up the condition of my 17 somehow during the repair or parts replacement process (I just know they will). I'd rather have one problem than to have it fixed while creating more different problems in the process. This is why I've been trying to look for a non-hardware solution that I could attempt on my own, but it seems like this is a non-issue for most so there are no real solutions as of yet.


FYI, I was one of the first people on this board to notice the morse-coding noise problem on the Envy 15, yet it was only a handful of us that heard the problem while others didn't or were oblivious to the noise; most people just called us off, saying that the noise exists on all computers (that diagnostic sounds familiar). It was only after a few months later that more people started noticing this issue and now it's become one of the common problems with the Envy line. I hope for everyone's sake, this abnormally high white noise/static issue is isolated to only a few copies of the Envy 17, and doesn't become yet another common problem.

 

Hey metril, long time no see! How's your Envy 17? I got busy as soon as I received mine and was gone til recently- I didn't know you went through so many copies (dang, 5 is A LOT). It looks like a lot of the early adopters abandoned ship for different notebooks except for us.

 

Thanks for the input.

My understanding (correct or incorrect) is that the USB 3.0 hardware on the Envy 17 would be separate from the USB 2.0 hardware. Why else would there be one dedicated USB 3.0 connector and two USB 2.0 connectors (remembering that USB 3.0 is backward compatible with 2.0)?

So, I intend to run the Dual Dock against the USB 2.0 connector tonight with the intention of blaming the dock if it fails again (invoking the lightning never strikes twice in the same place rule).

If it doesn't fail, then the Dock may still be the culprit, but the evidence will be weaker.

At any rate, that will be my response before invoking my HP at Home Service plan.

What is really irritating about all this was that I had begun speed tests for a nice review of the Dual Dock and the Envy 17 Superspeed interface.

I even bought Pop Tarts for humorous pictures . . .

 

HP Pavilion dv7t Select Edition series
Operating system Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-720QM Quad Core processor (1.6GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.8 GHz could also go for i5-450M
Graphics card 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 5650 [HDMI, VGA] - For Quad Core Processor
Memory 6GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
Hard drive 640GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive (320GB x 2) with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection. Is it better to have one drive or two
Display 17.3" diagonal HD+ High-Definition HP LED BrightView Widescreen Display (1600 x 900) will the 1920x1080 make a difference
Primary optical drive SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
VS.
ENVY 17
Operating system Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-720QM Quad Core processor (1.6GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.8 GHz
Graphics card 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 5850 Graphics [HDMI]
Memory 6GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
Hard drive 500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection
Display 17.3" diagonal HD+ HP BrightView Infinity LED Display (1600 x 900) will the 1920x1080 make a difference
Primary optical drive SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support (Slot Load)

What I want to know is which laptop will let me do some serious gaming with the least amount of problems. There is no point of having a top of line model which keeps on heating up madly OR such a well balanced laptop that is just stuck way dead in the middle i.e good for nothing. I am open to other suggestions as well e.g ENVY 15 or any other brand with similar configuration. I need to make a decision in two days

 

If you have the $ I would go for the hp envy 17 1011r. its has 8gb of ram, a blu ray drive, and a 1080p screen. the 5850 is a very good gpu as well. Its heating up isn't as bad as you think and most i7 laptops get pretty hot anyway. If you really want to max out your games though, the asus g73jh is the way to go

 

I am at debate on what to do,i really love this Envy 17,and it's hard to beat the price w/the i7,8gb ram,5850,1080p screen,but the heat is tremendous,i have a Targus 220mm cooler under it and a box fan blowing on it,i am afraid something is going to eventually burn out-here are my heat tests-Hardware Monitors
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hardware monitor ACPI
Temperature 0 65°C (149°F) [0xD36] (TZ01)

Hardware monitor Intel Core i7 720QM
Power 0 15.34 W (Processor)
Temperature 0 66°C (150°F) [0x22] (Core #0)
Temperature 1 63°C (145°F) [0x25] (Core #1)
Temperature 2 67°C (152°F) [0x21] (Core #2)
Temperature 3 63°C (145°F) [0x25] (Core #3)

Hardware monitor ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850
Temperature 0 68°C (154°F) (GPU Core)

Hardware monitor WDC WD32 00BEKT-60V5T
Temperature 0 41°C (105°F) [0x29] (Assembly)
Temperature 2 41°C (105°F) [0x29] (Air Flow)

Hardware monitor Battery 1
Voltage 0 12.72 Volts [0x31B3] (Current Voltage)
Capacity 0 62160 mWh [0xF2D0] (Designed Capacity)
Capacity 1 60739 mWh [0xED43] (Full Charge Capacity)
Capacity 2 60739 mWh [0xED43] (Current Capacity)
Level 0 2 pc [0x61] (Wear Level)
Level 1 100 pc [0x64] (Charge Level)

 

$$ is not that much of an issue here, its just that some people are complaining a lot about the ENVY 17 regarding the heat issue and wobbliness. I would not have asked around a lot but the thing is that I will get my laptop shipped to Pakistan from USA. So I want to buy with peace of mind, although a guy has suggested that I make my friend try it first in the USA but the thing is he does not have that much of knowledge about gaming laptops. And if something goes wrong send it back to USA will be another hassle

Of course like any other fellow gamer out there I want the maximum return/satisfaction for my money. I find your point quite interesting regarding the heat issue with all the i7s. My brother is a bit senior in the gaming world and he told me since you play very few FPS an i5 will do you good and also that such a high end graphics card might not be good for you as you will not be able to fully benefit from it.

I play games like Total war, Need for Speed, Call of duty 4, Rainbow six, SIMS. Thanks for your reply

P.S. I find blue ray useless, I don't think a 17 inch screen is good enough for such high quality video, may be 40 inch. But do tell me about higher resolution benefits for the HP

 

Continued-Should i keep this or sell it,i can't return because Newegg has a replacement only,I've only had it 2 days,so it is still in new cond,and is near perfect,ie..no wobble and only a couple tiny spaces.Also the heat tests above are from the computer being on all day,doing normal tasks,mostly surfing and installing programs ,i don't know what to do.

 

if you don't need to max out your games than any laptop with a decent dedicated graphics card will do the job most likely. On my Envy 17 there is wobble and spacing around the rim but its not too bad. I keep mine at my desk anyways so i just put something under it. the wobble is hardly noticable though so its not a big deal. this laptop is quite hot and i wish it wasn't. the 1080p does benifit for graphic instensive programs ie photoshop sony vegas and videos on the web look amazing. go with your gut decision mate. i highly reccommend new egg.

 

well that's the thing, with me it is about maxing out the games I love to play. keeping in mind the games that i mentioned above, which laptop do you think will do the job for me. I mean come to think of it may be Envy is an overkill for my requirements.

Loved the Asus G73Jh review, I will have a discussion with my brother regarding this laptop

 

just to be clear, i wasn't negating your jack issue. just trying to discount the possibility. reading thru ur posts it's obvious you're astute, i just mentioned it just in case.

anyway, if HP has run into some serious quality/engineering issues, perhaps it is best to wait a while for them to realize and fix the mainboard design. pretty pathetic if you ask me that they delivered a half-baked product to the masses. seems to be a trend these days with many electronics vendors.

when i get my 1010NR back from HP, i'll report on whether they actually addressed the mainboard noise issue or not. if so, then i will send in the 1011NR as well, and decide which one i want to keep when they have both been repaired satisfactorily.

saddens me to say this but: apple seems to be the only vendor around with the least hardware issues. or so it seems.

 

i must be missing something ... can anybody help out with this one ?

i have my external wireless mouse configured not to wake the computer (in power management tab/mouse properties, unchecked 'allow this device to wake the computer'), but moving it still wakes the computer.