*HP ENVY 17 & 17 3D (2XXX series) Owners Lounge*

Can anyone with the 9 Cell battery post a pic of your laptop with it inside? I just want to see/know how big it is relative to the notebook and how much space it creates. I know it will aid in decreasing the potential for overheating but I don't want it if its too bulky. The laptop itself is so slim and nice looking. I'd hate to have to carry an extremely big battery...but thats just my personal preference.

 

Thanks for the tip Stephan, i tried it, although i only got a $100 off, combined with my HPA discount of ~ $215, it comes out to be ~ $315.

 

Alright, the case is now closed regarding bluray slot load "eject" noise on boot up. It has been confirmed by members that this is normal on boot up. Thanks everyone.

Altough I only used it briefly twice, I really am impressed with the changed HP did on the Envy 17 3D...and yes, the cooling is amazing, no doubt. I really want to finish transferring all my files by tonight if possible, so by the weekend I'll have time to enjoy playing on this thing.

Besides, I have until April 11th to figure it if I want to keep her, which of course I do. Its just that I want to use that time to work out the laptop and see if any issues arise. If she's good up till then, she's a keeper!

P.S. Once again, welcome to all the new NBR members and congradts to those buying the Envy 17 3D SB edition. Glad the info from other members is allowing you to ask for great deals, such as the "invisible, sales rep at will made up" $300 coupon, LOL.

P.P.S. Oh, and I'd still hope some of you guys are making videos of your Envy.....PM me when vid is up. Thanks.

KJ

 

Read back a couple more pages. On switchable graphics my battery bar read 5h 5m on my Envy 17 3D SB with the 9-cell.

 

1. I believe so. I know it's an Intel SSD and I posted the part # on this thread about a dozen or so pages back.

2. I just broke the stripe and re-installed off the DVD's. I didn't do any prep work to the SSD.

 

Anyone know if it's by any means worth upgrading to Win7 Ultimate compared to Home Premium?

 

I saw that however that is the battery bar and not actual and also the 9-cell. Wondering about battery life on the 6-cell.

Thanks!!

 

Apoxxx, good question. I am only aware that Win 7 Ultimate is good if you have programs that you must be able to use the old Windows system, like xp I think? Otherwise, if you don't have such archiac programs, then I don't really see the reason to go Ultimate (unless you have extra money burning a hole in your pocket trying to get out! )

Maybe those who have purchased Ultimate will be able to give you a more appropriate response than my poor attempt.

KJ

 

Apoxxx, as KJ mentioned it will give you most benefit in running programs that only run under xp and are not win7 compatible, but win7 professional will do that as well, no need for Ultimate.
One more big difference in between home and professinal (and I really do not know what Ultimate is giving you beyond professional) is the networking capabilities. If you are trying to get your notebook tied into a network at work that uses a windows business server enviroment, win home is a big nightmare (won't recognize the nertwork 9 out of 10 times).
Just for that reason (our IT guy at work would kill me if I show up with win 7 home and ask him to get access to our network) I will do the upgrade, but I'll do it aftermarket. MS anytime upgrade for Professional from home can be bought online or even at the MS store for around $60 - $80, while I believe HP was charging around $100 for it.

EDIT. Forgot, but it won't really apply to you. Win home only supports up to 16GB of RAM while Professional will do 192GB.

 

I have Windows 7 Ultimate on my desktop. KillaJoe and Apoxxx are both correct. If you need to run the Windows XP mode for older programs, it is worth the upgrade. Also, Windows 7 Ultimate will support over 8GB of ram, however, the HP Envy will only hold 8GB anyway. And lastly...if you use the Backup and Restore program built into Windows 7...Ultimate will allow you to mnake backups to a network drive, or to another computer on your network. Home Premium will only allow you to backup to a local hard drive, USB hard/flash drive, or CD/DVD.

 

By the way, I contacted an HP representative last night, around 1:50am EST, via the live chat. I expressed my "buyer's remose" at having purchased the system, then noticed that many others have been getting $300 off coupons. I told the lady I presented two $300 coupon codes which were both invalid and/or expired. She told me some line she probably read from a screen: "HP sends out coupons to its customers at random." And I replied, the people on the message boards I've been following don't have any coupons at all...they weren't sent anything!! They just called and asked for it, and they got it!! I even showed her the link that the one user posted on here, showing how he got the HP Academy Discount ($172.50) plus the $300 coupon for a total of $472.50 off. She told me there was nothing she could do. She had a really bad attitude and wasn't trying to hear me out. I'm going to call in later tonight and threaten to cancel my order. Or threaten to send it back the moment it arrives and go with a Macbook. LOL. This is HORRIBLE!!

 

Has anybody done better than $300 off a 3D?
I managed to finagle a $550 discount on a DV7tqe, so unless there's something comparable on a 3D, I'll just have to make do with a dim 1600x900, no backlit keyboard, and Radeon 6770m at 725 mhz. I'm thinking the DV7 will game at least as well at 900p as the Envy can at 1080p.

BTW, can anybody who has an Envy in hand confirm if the 6850m is running at 575 or 675mhz?

 

Dude, I don't think it was a good idea to show her the link. Yes mentioning it is OK, but showing her the link might shut it down for everybody. Please note that this might even have been something they 'officially' are not allowed to do, but some agents just go beyond and make it work. If they now spread this internally, it won't happen again.
I just deleted the link to the order....

 

Yes, if you look back through the thread you will find it. Combine the $300 with either EPP or HPA discount (which is 10% of the retail price before coupons)

 

I understand, but she didn't even look at it. She told me they were not allowed to click links submitted by customers. LOL

 

^^^
That is sooo funny. I guess you just got a hardcore chair occupier and atmosphere warmer . So they are not allowed to follow links, but they are allowed to look up other people's orderes if you give them their order number?!?!?! Wow.
Try again tomorrow.
I'll send you my order number once mine is shipped (you should still be within your 21 days), so they can pull it up and compare.
One thing though, are you EPP or HPA? 'Cause without it, I don't think you can get more than the $300.

 

LOL, that's the same thing I was thinking. I am in the HP Academy program. My configuration was $2314.99. I got 10% off ($231.49) through HP Academy, and then a $100 coupon through begging. That's a total of $331.49 off...but I'm not satisfied. So many of you got nearly $500 off. I want the same thing.

 

Windows 7 Pricing Buy Install Choose Edition Features Upgrades Offers

I run ultimate just because I can. That said

-I'd rather run vmware than use XP mode
-None of my personal laptops are getting joined to any domains, probably none of yours are either, if you need that talk to your employer and try to get them to pay for the upgrade or use their licenses. If you are running your own domain, you already know everything in this post and more.
-Being able to have Win7 backups automatically scheduled to dump on your raided NAS in the middle of the night is really, really freaking nice. You could use third party tools, but I say why bother it works perfectly.
-Bitlocker is nice enough. TruCrypt will more than meet any personal needs though.
-Most people reading this are fine with English.

 

@ iwantanenvy: Being in the HP Academy program will actually hurt your chances at using a coupon. I got them to apply the $500 coupon I had for my dv6tqe on the envy 17 3D, and also to refund me $60 on top of that for the 8GB of RAM. However, I would have not been eligible to use my coupon if I had bought through the HP Academy.

 

Several times, I tried NOT ordering through HP Academy, and I was still told no coupons existed for the Envy 17 3D.

 

You can always opt out on the HPA discount when you call in, so it does not really hurt.
How did you get the $60 for the ram back though?
Btw, the 500 dv6tqe coupon was most definately a one time thing, and I would highly doubt, that there will be any single 500 odd coupon on the envy within the next 6 months.
@iwantenvy,
bro, you got 334 off already. I would think that is pretty decent, there are tons of people who got much less. Yes, there are a few who might have gotten more, but you'll have to exclude the guys with the $500 coupon, since it was due to the dv6 messup earlier this year.
On my first order I got $300 off which I was happy with. Only after they screwed up that order I got another $172.50, which I did not even ask for (I asked for free upgrade to 2day shipping due to the mess on the original order, and they told me they would not be able to do it) and it just appeared on the final invoice. Actually, if I look at my order, it looks like it is not the $300 coupon on top of HPA (which they told me it would not work on my inital order) but $300 on top of EPP (unless HPA share the EPP system code). So I guess my sales rep must have used her credential to place the order, because I am for sure not in any EPP with any company.

 

1st attempt - $0 off - declined
2nd attempt - $150 off - declined
3rd attempt - $TBD - will let you know

 

Anybody know if the e17 3d screen more power hungry than a std e17?

 

Ok, whaaaaaaaattttttttttt? 0 (ZERO) OFF??? How? Sorry for the highlights, but I've never heard of zero before. The worst, and I mean worst offer HP gave someone that was mentioned on the forums was $50 which is a slap in the face! My first attempt was $75 a long time ago when attempting to order the regular Envy 17.....

Yeah, keep trying...good luck.

KJ

 

I know, I couldn't believe it. And it took him almost 15 minutes before he came back with the $0 offer. I thought that after 15 minutes of working on it I would be golden. Ah well, better luck next time.

 

the word must have gone out amoung the sales supervisors and trickled down to the minions -- that they need to charge more and be less flexible!

 

Well, if I think about these logical math puzzles I used to play when I was a kid.....the next one should be $300 Good Luck.
Yeahh, 0 off is a slab. Here is my order history
1st try phone $50 off
2nd try online through HPA $172.50 (did not know about HPA before I got on here)
3rd try phone $300 off but would not be able to combine with HPA, I orderd anyhow
3.5....they canceled my order...what the f%^&
4th try on the phone (actually this was about 3 calls, because they couldn't figure out how to get the old order back up and had to place a new one) $472.50 off

 

I hope you are wrong. Maybe this is just because before we only heard the good deals and people did not bother reporting on the not so amazing rebates.
Somebody mentioned before that we should open a new "How much are you paying for you Envy" thread.....maybe somebody should, since we really are drifting into this being the main topic on this one (I plea guilty myself).

 

I want slotti to negotiate for me

 

I've only spoken with supervisors about receiving major discounts so I suppose it's possible that they've spoken to each other and are trying to block attempts to lower the cost of the Envy. Again, I encourage you to call HP Resolutions instead of traditional Sales Support or Customer Service. They can be reached at 1-866-217-6014.

Remember, don't take "No" for an answer. Keep escalating the call until you reach the appropriate person.

 

I wondered if 3Ds were sold far enough ahead that they didn't need to deal. To test that theory, I put an Envy 3D and a DV7 quad in my shopping cart, similarly configured. Both claimed an April 11 build date.

The DV7s I ordered 23 hours ago have April 8 (Friday) build dates. It looks like Envy and DV7 production are on the same schedule, and they've sold one day's production today unless the factory runs on weekends. Funny how they'll give me $1100 off on a pair of DV7s but you guys can't do that on an Envy 3D.

Maybe there's less profit margin on a 3D? There's surely less margin on a 3D than there is on a 2D Envy right now.

 

Hmm, I don't believe I have ever talked to a supervisor (at least they did not id themselves as such). The 2 numbers I called are 866-246-0504 and 800-492-3341. Latter one gave me my final discount.

But that would add California tax and recycling fee to your order...If you want me to try to add one more to my order....we can talk LOL

Weird. My envy has build date one day later April 12 and my final order confirmation has been over 48 hr ago. >>>>
EDIT: Just checked. The 2820 are going out faster than the 2630. 2820 > April11; 2630 > April 14

 

I hope it gets here earlier than the estimated april 13 date. I'm about to throw my piece of sh1iet Mac out the window. I've never had a more unstable computer than this Mac Mini.

 

I've had my Envy 17 3D since last Monday morning (3/14). My estimated build date was yesterday (3/23).

 

Awesome, I hope I'm that lucky

 

Still though that was quite a bad move...you could have ruined everything for future buyers....

 

I'm calling tomorrow for some arm wrestling. I have a deal in place for a MB Pro, if this falls through. Haven't been able to get the R3 deal yet, but my deadline is April Fools Day.

 

I have a MacBook Pro and I ordered the Envy 17 3D. I used my MacBook Pro as a graphics workstation and it's about to become obsolete with the arrival of my Envy 17 3D. Don't waste your money on a MacBook Pro, you don't get nearly enough power for the price. I'm just grateful that mine was a gift and not an actual purchase from my wallet.

 

You'll be okay.

 

The online rep I spoke with said that the HP Resolutions department would be the best department to contact regarding additional savings because they have the "Most authority." The people who work there are extremely helpful and even provided me with a more accurate shipping date.

 

@ slotti: I just told them I would buy it if I got the ram upgrade for free. She went to a supervisor and told me that she would refund the money after the laptop shipped.

 

Order dropped to factory
(Estimated to ship on April 13, 2011)


Exciting stuff

 

Has any of you opened your computers btw? I wanna know if this one is still usable: Hard Drive Caddy & Cable for HP Envy 17 (also works with SSD) [HP-ENVY-17] - $38.55 : NewmodeUS, Hard Drive Caddys for Notebooks

 

That's the one. Link was actually posted earlier already (mine is on my way ).

Mine just went into production ......after being dropped to factory for only about 12hr.

 

I opened mine to get some memory part numbers. The bracket on that link looks similar to what I saw inside the Envy but I can't guarantee 100%.

 

Guys need your input on this please...

Tonight was when I planned on installing all my software etc.... but, yes there is a but..... I had my dv7-4283cl with a 640GB HDD @ 5400rpm next to my Envy 17 3D SB with a 640GB HDD @ 7200rpm. Now, realize I know what it "feels like" to work with a 7200rpm drive and a 5400rpm drive...so my Envy 17 3D SB seems to perform even slower than my dv7 from Costco! Yes, it felt very wrong. I did a quick test by shutting off both computers and booting them at the same time... You guessed it, the dv7 with the slow HDD booted up faster than the Envy with the faster 7200rpm.

I tried defrag, which by the way, I had to do several times since my Envy got frozen several times during defrag. You can only imagine my frustration. A brand new awesome laptop and now this?

I called the special HP support number (1-866-408-5408) to my surprise it was difficult to understand him a bit...so yeah..

He initially told me that the Envy 3D is a 3D laptop and meant to do differnent things than the pavillion... oh really? So the premium Envy line with a 7200rpm should perform slower than a common pavillion from Costco with a 5400rpm drive? I nicely as possible let him know I am not total computer newbie, lol. He stopped with that line of thought right away....

He had reboot and press F10 and start the Primary Hard Disk Self Test...which is currently running next to me on the Envy as I type this on the dv7 of course.

IDK guys, I feel exhausted, partly because I had a long day at work, and its late at night,and partly because I've been hoping to own a perfect Envy 17 3D for about 7 months..... Don't even think it!!!! NO! I am not giving up!
Clearly I love this laptop/Envy line.... I told the rep I'm calling back tomorrow...hopefully get USA support... and if I get no real resolution, I'm gonna see if they work with me to exchange it for the 160GB SSD with 640GB 7200 rpm drive...

I'm being very serious when I say, this laptop is slow...and I just don't get it. I am begining to think there is something really wrong with the HDD...I'll keep you guys posted tomorrow.

KJ

 

Both laptops are also loading different drivers behind the scenes and any other software that's been installed as well as boot time services. Of course that can't explain the entire difference. Your best bet is to write down some times so we can get a better understanding of the problem. Take the BIOS boot time out of it too... your DV7 may not have a UEFI bios which takes longer to initialize. Start timing from the "starting windows" logo. You could also try downloading a boot cdrom (like knoppix) and test booting with that; it will take the hdd access out of the picture and you can get a better feel for the boot time difference using a common boot medium. If you are really ambitious and you haven't gotten too far into loading software, reinstall win7 from scratch and just put drivers on it. See how fast it is...

 

Yeah it's your link I found it from, but it's for the old Envy, but I'm guessing nothing has changed on the inside and it's safe to order this one?

Killa Joe I'm sad to hear that man, it's supposed to be faster than your old computer in equal situations. What I'm thinking is that your old computer doesn't perhaps have as much programs or bloatware or whatever as the Envy? That's the only thing I can think about. I'm sure if you did a clean win install on both of them, the Envy is faster. But of course, you could have gotten a bad disk, that's always a possibility, although rare.
Good luck though, stuff like that is the last thing you wanna deal with after a long day at work.

 

Killa Joe, I spent my first day system restoring and recovery formatting my Envy cause some programs I downloaded or updates I downloaded start making my Envy lag and acting weird. It keeps freezing up and it got really slow. So I did a recovery from the recovery partition and downloded updates slowly one by one and then the drivers and fianlly to my softwares and also I didn't download certain softwares or drivers that I think might have caused the problems.

Well basically my point is maybe some programs might have hindered your Envy's performance since they're not properly optimize for Windows 7 or Envy?
Well either way sorry to hear that from you Hope it gets resolved soon.

 

Thanks for the understanding. Well, after this hard drive self test is done, I will do a full factory restore. If it still performs badly, I will then assume the HDD is defective indeed. By the way, the only bloatware I think was on the Envy was the Bing bar...there really isn't much crap on it, unless you can suggest what other program is slowing it down? My dv7 is the one with lots of stuff.

I still want to see what USA support for Envy say tomorrow, if they claim that the Envy 3D will boot slower/perform slower I will have no choice than to get the SSD, but still, it feels wrong and I know I'm not losing my mind, yet! LOL. Night guys, later.

KJ