*HP ENVY 17 & 17 3D (2XXX series) Owners Lounge*

dlleno, I think the tech updates are still a good idea, maybe for a bit longer. You might not want to post it every couple days, maybe once every Friday and until the end of April? Don't ask me why April lol, maybe I figure by the end of April many more will have the Envy 17 3D SB in their hands. Up to you of course, since you are doing it for free, and many thanks. The color coding is very sweet stuff, ha.

KJ

 

I would like to point out that HP has lowered the baseline price point on the Envy 17 3D from $1649.99 to $1599.99. I talked to customer support and they told me they would credit me $50 after my replacement was shipped.

 

thats great feedback -- and the longer period between posts should work out to be more appropriate here than in the other thread. over there, I'd post an update and 6 replies later somone would ask a question already answered

who knows, soon we will be "waiting for Huron River Envy 17..." lol

 

My DV6TQE had 8GB of RAM, yes. And I first went to refund chat, and they referred me to the resolution center. Their phone number is 1-866-217-6014.

 

Sure enough! the std Envy 17 is also $50 less -- but still $200 more than the equivalently-configured 3D model, lol I still don't get that

 

HP is soooooooo messing with our heads, but it was cool that they are crediting back the $50 for those who are now calling about it....

KJ

 

Hey Killa Joe, did you receive a shipment notice yet? I expected mine to ship long before the posted build date of March 21st, but still nothing. I don't understand why some orders placed after mine shipped long ago. Patience is not one of my better traits.

 

I hear ya. I've read on here that others ordered later than someone and got theirs sooner...so its kinda wierd...seems illogical, but hey, whatever.... we have our dates...just as long as HP does not bump those dates out further then I'll be >>>>>>>>> Ha, well, last 2 orders worked out nice, a day earlier, so maybe this will be sooner too. Hold on.

KJ

 

My estimated ship date is March 18th and today is March 16, the status is still "in production" not even shipped yet. I have been wondering why some people got before me too.

Maybe this will make you feel better that you're not the only one? LOL And my patience is running out. I am planning to call and complain the moment it reaches March 18th if they still haven't ship it on that day

 

My Guess is its about optimizing the production line... the pricing favors people just 'going for' the 3d version so they can just keep pushing those out. Dell has always done that, not just with models but with features, little price encouragement to lead the buyer down a path to a certain machine that they either have lots of parts on hand for or can crank out quickly.

 

Say, is this Envy using a "one piece" trackpad. (no separate buttons for right and left mouse click)?

 

They sure have!! I know they have a low price guarantee, I've used it with every system I've ever bought from them. It's like 30 days or 60 days or something, unless it's changed. The $50 credit, plus tax should be enough to buy Crysis 2. I'm calling them NOW!!

 

Yes, one giant hinge.

 

Really sorry if I'm being lazy here (don't see references in several pages), but is a definitive battery time estimate available on the 17 SB dual/quad core refreshes? I'm a whimp: better battery life would be my main reason for replacing the E14 I have, and love, and I'm trying to decide if I need to rush and sell it, or just enjoy the excellent quality one I have and wait 6 more months. Thanks.

 

Yes, a clone is basically nothing more than a backup and recovery. There are literally countless methods and tools available to do this. For daily/weekly stuff on Win7 I just use the built in tools. For "one offs" or non Win 7 stuff I had been using Acronis for years, lately I've tried Paragon and it seems nifty enough for for what it is. Ghost at one time seemed to be sort of the gold standard, but seems to be to have been a bit behind the curve the past several years. All just IMO, grain of salt, FWIW, etc.

The "old" advice/popular opinion was to never clone from magnetic to SSD due to partition alignment / OS driver / Trim issues and probably a host of other stuff that I'm not remembering or simply don't understand.

With the advent of modern disk image tools that take care of the alignment for you and SSD tweak tools, people are much more comfortable lately doing this kind of thing.

I am in a bit of a unique circumstance, due the nature of my job, an agreement I have with my employer and agreements my employer has made with vendors I have access to legitimate, legal keys/installers for software from a number of major players, even for personal use on my personal computing devices. This includes Microsoft. Personal desktops I build from scratch, and notebooks I order completely bare-bones in terms of software and then just install whatever I want. So I ordered my Envy with Home Premium and I will install Ultimate on my new SSD.

From what I have seen of HP's recent builds, and the build of the Envy, the OS install is downright decent and bloatware free. It's in keeping of my theory about HP, that at the core they basically WANT to do the right thing, sometimes they just can't becuase they are this lumbering giant mess of bureaucracy, or they otherwise just take a damn long time getting there. I'd be fine with a stock HP OS install, or an anytime windows key upgrade, but I'm still a geek at heart and find some perverted odd joy in installing my own OS, even when the benefit is marginal at best, as it is in this case.

 

Does anyone know how to play those 3D demos (NBA All-Star 2010 and Kung Foo Panda 2) that came pre-loaded? I uninstalled all Cyberlink software but I read somewhere that HP MediaSmart DVD, which also came pre-installed) can play those .mcv files. I tried it but it didn't support those files.

 

Ok....so back to the ram question.... for those who currently have their Envy 17 3D SB..... were you able to verify the ram speed? Did HP install the 1333MHz ram or the 1600MHz ram? I just Googled 8GB of 1600MHz ram for a laptop to see what the prices are...just in case HP only is using the 1333 MHz ram in the supposed 1600MHz bus.

Anyway, not sure, but this seems like a good deal maybe? If so, will these fit into our Envy 17 3D?

Buy.com - Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 SDRAM 1600MHz 204-Pin Laptop Memory

KJ

 

I got 6 GB of ram and they are clocked at 1333 MHz. I'm surprised they split up with 4 GB in one DIMM and 2 GB in the other DIMM, as opposed to 3 GB in each. If I wanted to upgrade to 8 GB in the future can I just buy one 4 GB stick or do they have to be the same? Does it matter what speed, as in can I have a 1333 MHz 4 GB stick in one DIMM and a 1600 MHz stick in the other?

 

MCCHEA

From what I was told, If you ordered the Envy 17 3D with the 28XX processor you should have 1600MHZ Ram in the unit...

Would love to have this confirmed...

Withthe 2630QM it will have 1333mhz as the 2630QM does not support 1600mhz ram...

You can mix speeds when you upgrade it will just clock it down ( I would save your money and just get 1333 mhz)... and yes it is ok if you only replace one chip... they don't ahve to match

 

Hi guys, I just ordered ENVY 17 on 03/12 (old feature) which has :

• i5-480M Dual Core Processor (2.66GHz, 3MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.93GHz.
• 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 5850 GDDR5 Graphics [HDMI]
• 6GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
• 640GB 7200RPM HD

..........with $400 coupon code.........

So, should I return it to get the refreshed one?

• 2nd generation Intel(R) Dual Core(TM) i5-2410M (2.3 GHz, 3MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.9GHz
• 1GB Radeon(TM) HD 6850M GDDR5 Graphics
• 6GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
• 1TB 5400RPM HD

-------no coupon on this one T_T-----------

Is it worth? And, Does the refreshed one have CoolSense technology? I didn't see anyone talks about it ?!?

 

In regards to all the shipping posts...

As far as when a unit is shipped and the timing, I can tell you I am 99% sure it has to do with the configuration you ordered it with...

Sometimes a processor is constrained so they know they can still hit the ship date so they don't move the ship date out yet a unit with a different processor or part will ship earlier even though it was ordered later because that units parts where not constrained...

It all goes back to supply chain... When I ordered my pc it shipped and I actually got notice of it shipping almost two days after it has already shipped... so some of your PCs are probably in transit... I hope

 

There are no 3 GB sticks.

 

Has anybody from the UK been able to place an order for a Sandy Bridge Envy?

I currently have a Dell on order but my true preference is for the Envy. As usual, the UK seems to be getting a raw deal cos I don't see Sandy bridge Envy's on the website. But...I suspect some intrepid souls either may have been able to place an early order or have a good idea of when Sandy Bridge Envy's will appear in the UK.

Any constructive comments will be well received.

 

I hope I can confirm this soon. When I ordered mine, the sales associate checked with supervisors/tech agents and told me that HP only ships 1333 MHz Ram, and that if a customer wanted faster, they would have to upgrade on their own. I guess I'll find out when my system arrives. I ordered the 2820 with 8GB Ram.

 

let us know what you find.
what is your ship date?

 

Yes it has coolsense, although it seems to be all about the software and not so much changed vents/fans. Also if you cancel your order and replace it with the SB model, you should be able to get them to apply the coupon code you used on the first order to this one. It just takes some persistence and luck

 

April 1. I hope it's not some cruel joke...

 

Hmmm, when did you place your order?

I placed mine on 3/8/11 for the 2820 also..... The estimated build date is 3/29/11..... now its only been 9 days............

20 minutes ago I received an email from HP....

MY ORDER IS READY TO SHIP@#@#$@!!!!$#@%% Estimated to arrive to me by next Tuesday March 22, 2011.

How is that even possible? Only 9 days to build my custom PC? Is this normal? I'm just hoping its not a refurb..... I am so sceptical, lol.


Anyway, I can't wait to find out about the ram speed.... I do hope HP Nate is right and the 2820 will have the 1600MHz

KJ

 

Looks like we're in the same boat!

Estimated build date: 3/28
Shipping notification: 3/17
Estimated delivery: 3/22

Beyond excited...in fact I may have shrieked a bit when I saw the e-mail. Just a bit though

 

Whew! What a relief...so I guess a 9 day build is possible.....? Cool, maybe I won't get a refurb. Its just my first Envy 17 3D first gen took a good month.... how is it they are quick on production this time? Just wondering.

KJ

 

No...I think yours is definitely a refurb. Mine went through in 10 days which is reasonable, you ordered a day after me so...definitely refurb

I don't think HP would be stupid enough to sell refurbs at new on their top-line stuff

 

not to be a kill joy... but I'm beginning to doubt that -- 1600 MHz RAM is expensive. My guess is that they are shipping 1333MHz RAM with the 2820 now, and that 1600MHz RAM has not yet appeared as an option on the configuration/build website.

But think about this. If we accept that the XMP profiles (inside the RAM) signal the processor re: the speed at which they can run, and noting what HP is saying, namely, "Support for DDR3 1600MHz RAM" and "available on select i7 processors only" I think the following suggestions are credible:

1. the system has been tested and qualified to run at 1600MHz. It has to be; otherwise HP wouldn't say they supported 1600 MHz RAM
2. The 2820 will talk (to the RAM) at 1600MHz when the installed RAM is capable of it. That is evident from the way XMP works.
3. HP is telling us about a configuration (1600MHz RAM) that is not yet available and won't be available unless you also choose the 2820 processor.
4. We don't yet know what this configuration will cost, i.e. if it will be $200 more, on top of the $350 for the 2820 itself.

are there no 2820 Envy 17s in the wild yet? when the first ones arrive, someone needs to download and run the hwinfo tool (or something equivalent) and see what speed the memory is running

 

just saw this -- this is great; can't wait to see your results. wow I would sooo love to be wrong on this point. something just tells me that your sales rep is right, and that 1600MHz RAM is a configurable upsell option that hasn't appeared yet -- but so much for speculation lets see what actually happens "in the wild'

 

dlleno you kill joy!!!

Yeah, hope you and the sales lady are wrong....oh do I hope....but anyway, I've been looking around for a deal just in case..... not sure if this will work with our Envy 17 3D SB...any ideas? I'm not sure what is this Non-ECC, Unbuffered deal means...and if our system takes it....

Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 Vengeance 8GB PC12800 DDR3 RAM - 1600MHz, 2x4096MB, Non-ECC, Unbuffered $109.99 does not seem so bad.

CompUSA.com | CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 | Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3 PC12800 1600MHz RAM

KJ

 

Grats! Just got my email here I was due on the 28th but now its been shipped with the estimated delivery date on the 21st!

 

That memory you linked is desktop stuff. Right now our choices for laptop 8GB PC12800 RAM is very limited. This is all they have at newegg atm:

Newegg.com - Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Laptop Memory Model KHX1600C9S3K2/8GX

 

Coolsense is just SOFTWARE??? Well...thanks for the info. I think it would be overheated if running heavy game W or WO coolsense technology.
I just returned my dv6t, cuz it got too hot while only running Youtube. Lolz

 

$99, even better!

Is this inferior or something, just wondering since you stated that "this is all they have...." I figure if it works it works. Thanks SpartanJet.

KJ

 

Killa Joe, how can you customize yours with Sandy Bridge on 3/8? Because I ordered on 03/12. But it was still old feature at that time...
Did you guys order from phone or different party?

 

No.not at all they are very good. I'd just like to see more of a selection. I have been watching newegg since I ordered my system and they have been out of stock twice. I'm sure when I do decide to place an order they will be out again

 

My order date was 3/11, three days after yours. And my estimated ship date is 4/1, also three days after yours. So, since we have the same configuration, should I expect my "shipped" e-mail to arrive in three days? LOL

 

Sandy Bridge was out before that date already..... The reason for yours and others confusion is because HP did not update their website until recently.

I ordered by phone...you can haggle the best deals that way. Good luck.

KJ

 

Ha...well, its a good possiblity....but since the weekend is around the corner, I'd not expect them to ship out till next week, the notice might come in sooner. Just keep an eye on your email.


KJ

 

Okay, everybody. I have another dumb question...or have I reached my limit for the week? This might be addressed in a different thread completely, but with 8GB of RAM, will a 4GB flash drive using ReadyBoost be of any use? Would I notice any performance increase? LOL. Or should I just not even bother. LOL

 

wow $99 for 16000MHz RAM thats not bad, assuming this is the right stuff. Kingston's memory configuration tool doesn't show the Envy 17-2000 but that will come. Anxious to see what HP will charge for 1600 MHz RAM -- Right now the 6GB option is $60 cheeper than the 8GB option, so you can do the math: $40 to upgrade from HP 1333MHz RAM to after market 8GB 1600MHz RAM! that would be sweet.

...and HP's 6GB RAM isn't wasted. you'll need that to stuff back into the laptop if you ever have to send it back.

I'm running after market RAM in my Dv8000t right now (Kingston) and it has worked flawlessly for five years. I don't even think I have the original memory that shipped from HP. But I did exactly the same thing: I bought after market memory because HP did not ship the fastest RAM available at the time -- so I configured my DV8000t with the smallest amount of RAM possible, and got the good stuff from Kingston, and I'd go back to them again in a heartbeat.

 

iwantanenvy...

I have to tell you. I disabled very very few startup items on the machine...and when you check resources...machine only showed a memory load of 24%. With 8GB of ram...you have more than enough. I cannot see how ANY flash drive using Readyboost is gonna increase your performance. Unless you purchase something like the Patriot Extreme series...I don't think that would be money well spent. Right now...with i7...4 GB of Ram is adequate...6 is the sweet spot...and 8 is futureproofing...

My 2 cents

 

FWIW I spent a fair amount of time looking yesterday, the only 1600Mhz sodimms I can find anywhere are the Kingstons being already discussed in the thread.

My Envy is going back (I just can't live with my stuck pixel), my re-order will be for the 2820. Based on projected ship dates I'm going to be about three weeks behind the curve. So I'll let you guys get this all sorted out for me while I sit and wait

 

Hey guys, I reall yodnt NEED a new laptop but Im a gadget freak and I'd LIKE to have the new Envy 17 3d with SB. Now, having said that, for that reason I will only buy it if the deal is too good to pass up, meaning Id need the $400 off. OF course I dont have the coupon but do you think if I called HP and ordered over the phone and told them what I just told you theres ANY shot they might just take $400 off? Its the only way I'll buy it because I dont wanna spend $1700+. But for $1300 I'd do it.

 

Also totally useless side discussion for anyone interested: Did you notice that the display can do 96Hz?

Any video geeks want to play around and try to figure out if there are differences in the pulldown of 24fps media at 96 vs 120?

 

Tell them just that. You want the $400 off coupon otherwise you simply won't buy it.

I recommend calling until someone budges and says yes.