*HP Envy 15 (11XX / 12XX series) Owners Lounge!*

I might be missing something, but I don't see how adding memory will help that...may I suggest a 20$ Trust laptop stand?

 

Hey guys, this will be the last time I ask before I place an order with HP - Would anyone be interested in trading their 2.5" HD caddy and cables for my dual 1.8" HD caddy and cables?

I've asked a couple of times already but not yet garnered any interest. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to pay $100 for a caddy and cables from HP, but since I've made up my mind that I'm going to downgrade my SSD setup, it seems to be the only way to get the correct hardware for a 2.5" HD.

If you've been thinking of upgrading to a dual SSD system, I've got all the necessary mounting hardware you'll need (and can even sell the SSDs if you need those too). From HP, the cables and brackets would cost just over $100. All I'm asking is a straight trade of your mounting hardware for mine.

I'm new here, but I've got a long standing account with eBay, for which I could enact the transaction if deemed necessary. I'll give it a day or two, and then I'm pulling the trigger at HP. Someone please take this off my hands so I don't have to spend $100 on some cheap cables and metal pieces.

 

Try posting in the deals section or the buy/sell section...or the HP general section.

You might get more responses there...

G'luk.

 

Hi All, need your guys help from a fellow envy 15 owner. I'm going through HP replacement right now and am having a hell of a time getting a working screen. I have faint horizontal lines on the screen and am trying to figure out if this is happening on ALL envys.

Anyone with the full HD 1080p display could you go to this image

http://www.keithstravels.com/travelog/photos/desktopsplit-loginscreen.jpg

View it at full size (you may have to click on the image to enlarge it in your browser) and see if the left and right side appear to be a uniform color? Also let me know if you have a glossy or matte screen.

Thanks

 

Actually, ram used to get hot when it's in full load.

My system's memories' usage are always at 76% or up, that's why the ram heat up very fast

I touched my rams before, they are super hot ....

 

glossy 1080p here, the two sides look split to me because black lines meet grey lines in the middle.
I have, however, absolutely no problem with my display...

 

thanks for your reply, your screen is defective as well. The image IS split in the middle and whats happening is there are darker lines and lighter lines every 2 pixels. The split in the middle is offset by 2 pixels horizontally.

Whats happening is the faint horizontal lines are "whiting out" the darker lines on one side. The other side the faint horizontal lines are lining up with the lighter lines, so its blending in...

Try making your window a little horizontally smaller and scroll up and down. What you'll see is the "lighter" side jumping back and forth because of these faint lines.

Try viewing this image on another monitor and you'll see its uniform.

Now I'm interested to see if matte screens have this problem as well

 

FWIW, I'm currently surfing on an HP 8710w with a 1920x1200 matte screen, and the image is definitely split in half, and "dancing" around towards the center.

 

yes yun they get hot, as all components, but they can't overheat

 

@dailo23

I just tried it and it does look "split" and I also tried on an external monitor and it looks normal. Does it really mean the screen is defective or is HP just using a lower quality screen?

 

There is no problem, your just missing what the purpose of the test is for;

This test is actually just to see how uniform the different rows of pixels are while producing alternating grey tones. It tests if the overall display produces uniform color while alternating these horizontal grey lines. Basically all your looking for is if the 2 sides of the screen look the same shade of grey. My 1080p glossy looks the same on both halves so there is no problem. The lines issue is most likely due to the TN laptop display which 'twists' the light going through the pixels as well as windows scaling and what zoom level your viewing at. BTW the image is 1440 x 900 not a full 1080p image.

Here is what is looks like at 3200% zoom in photoshop:

 

Thanks for all your replies, JJB seems to be the only one with a uniform screen so far.

the image is 1440x900, but at 100% it should yield the same results as pixel for pixel it does the same test.

I've attached an image on how it appears on my screen, thus it is not uniform.

So JJB at 100% the image that you see has the same shade of grey on both sides on your glossy 1080p screen?

 

Yun, I am curious if you tried looking at task mananger and CPU usage with all progams and applications closed?? I am really trying to help you but there is no detailed communication about your problem.

The memory cannot be overheating by itself. If you have 80% of it used that does not mean it will be hot, the CPU has to be transfering all that data in and out of RAM very fast to cause any heat. So your CPU has to be doing something that is moving all that data around....

Could you please take some screen shots with everything closed except task manager that are just like what I posted for you a few pages back. That way maybe some of us could help you figure this heat issue out...

 

Yes it is the same shade of grey overall but the 2 pixel horizontal lines are still visible, if you back away from the screen both have appear a uniform grey.

I'll try making a 100% screen shot and add it here...

Edit: here it is but since it has been manipulated so many times it may not be an accurate image, BTW your posted image looked grey and blue with curved diagonal lines, is that what you saw?



Well it looks weird to me after viewing the upload above.... but the screen I took the 'snip' from looked great, uniform grey overall

 

those blue curved diagonal lines are just artifacts from the camera, the main thing im trying to show in the image is that the left and right side are different shades of grey.

 

Ok, didn't realize it was a photo...

When I open my attachment above it looks OK, just not as good as when viewing the actual original image, but the shades of grey look uniform. How about when you look at it??

 

it looks the same as the photo that i took there, with the two shades of grey split vertically down the middle of the image.

on your screen its uniform correct? I suspect this is some sort of problem with HP's screen supplier so if it is the same, maybe we can get the hardware id of our screens and compare

 

nevermind... Back to reading the thread

 

First of all I just want to confirm that were talking about the same thing when looking at my image post; The test is simply to see if the left half and right half of the screen are a uniform and equal shade of grey. The visible lines and the center verticle line have nothing to do with the test. My screen shot looks nothing like your photo, so if mine looks like yours (on your display) something is really wonky...

My display is: LG Philips LP156WF1-TLE2

 

Thanks, I forgot to upload them

 

the yours and mine speak has me a bit confused.

I'm just seeing if everyones 1080p envy 15 screen appears like the photo attachment that I included, only with regards to the left and right shades of grey being different.

I took the photo just with an iphone so disregard any details that the picture does not have.

again this is the screen on the envy 15 notebook, when hooked up to an external monitor that image appears to be a uniform grey color

 

@YUN

Wow, please don't tell me that those first images are when you have all programs and apps closed....

Looks like you have 85+ processes, 25+% CPU usage, your internet connection is cranking out 220KB/s, your HDD is very active and of course the high memory usage. What the heck are your running?

I really need to see the 1st shot again but this time with every program and application closed. That's the only way to see what running that shouldn't be. Also could you take a shot like the one below (also with all off) and make sure to click on the 'CPU' column so it shows the largest users at the top. Bye the way, the image below I just took with IE8 open with 10 tabs, itunes downloading music, Everest open in sensor mode and photoshop open with 8 picture 'tabs' open. Look at my CPU usage and the number of processeces I have running.... I don't even want to guess how many services you have active...

Edit: I am adding a shot of system configuration with the 'startup' tab selected; could you do the same so I can see what you have loading at startup, that could be part of your problem also..

 

These image are all captured under load , which the programs are used to open.
Yeah, I opened up several app which need to have some uploads.
All usage is caused by one program, it took like 1.3G memories

I also ordered Newegg.com - Sunbeamtech Copper Notebook Memory Heat Spreader Cooling Model NMHS-C RAM Heatsinks only

Let's see the results

 

Those images don't help me. and I really don't think heatsinks on your memory will make much of a difference, as I said before it is the CPU that is controlling all the memory.

I can't do anything until I see your screen shots without any programs or downloads or anything running, preferably after a restart. That is the only way to diagnose what is running and causing the excess memory usage and CPU activity.

Did you do a clean win 7 install?

 

Yes, I did a clean install, these are captured after start up

 

Well that looks a lot better than the other. You forgot to click the 'CPU' column so it shows what is using the cpu at the top of the list.... It looks like you have 9% in one and 5% in the other, if no programs are open that should be 0% or barely changin from 0 to 1 or 2%. You can look youself in the cpu column and see what programs sre causing you CPU to be active. If it stays at 5+% all the time that will never let the CPU idle and cause it to start heating up when your not doing anything.... The 70 processes is quite high and you should be able to cut that down significantly, those all use up memory even when you doing nothing, but it won't cause any heat...

Also what program do you run that uses the 1.3GB of RAM

I also just noticed that you have not not pushed the 'show processes from all users' button, and the fact that you need to log in as an administrator to do it means you must have the 'user account control active', if you don't use the computer for other users to log in seperately then you can deactivate UAC and save some resources and memory...

 

@jjb hey bro i applied ur audio tweaks to increase speaker volume.....will those harm the speakers in the long term......?and also reply to post i posted on the other envy 15 thread////

 

sticking my head in here to ask: id imagine some of you are in touch with underground knowledge ... i havent bought an envy yet because im waiting on bd-r capability. anyone know if the envy 15 is due for another refresh with internal bd-r drive ? envy 14 & 17 both got internal optical, so i figure its only a matter of time ...

 

I'd disagree with that statement. UAC doesn't use up many resources at all, plus it provides some level of protection (and annoyance) by forcing you to "think" about actually pressing "accept" to change something about your machine. I also find it "convenient" when doing something to determine whether whatever is asking for admin rights really needs it.

'Course, if it's so annoying that your just clicking the "accept" all the time, well, there's not much that can be done about that.

 

However, no, as long as the speakers aren't being warped (you can generally tell when they are by the awful sound they make), then generally no long term damage should occur.

That all goes by the wayside if, in fact, HP didn't size the speakers properly for the Envy. If the amplifier (ok, it's a tiny one) puts out more "power" than the speakers are capable of handling, you can, in fact, damage the speakers. Generally, you'll hear when that starts happening, however.

 

@erple2

UAC really is a safeguard for the novice user who does not know much about computers or for when several users will be logging in to thier own accounts. It does use a significant amount of RAM and IIRC has about 5 active services and 2 or 3 processes active. Since I am the only user and 1) despise popups, 2) due not need to be asked if I'm sure I want to do something, 3) due not want or need to use a 'sign in' or password to access my own computer, 4) do not need parental controls and 5) really do not have to be hassled with logging out and in as an 'administrator' to do a simple change of a settings, IMO UAC is a tedious, resource using, useless feature in windows that just slows things down.... But it does have it's uses for some.

That is not cross posting above, he did the right thing and asked me to respond to a post he made elswhere, a cross post would be if he copied and pasted his post from the other thread here.

 

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@JJB

I'm going to do a clean install again see if it helps

if not, I'm going to order envy 14...

 

Really don't think that will help with temps. You simply have to many processes and services running all at once. If you could streamline your startup loads to not run all the things automatically and deactivate all the unecessary services, desktop gadgets and the like, I think that will help more than a clean install... Almost all the active startup programs are really uneeded, they just load for faster access but use up RAM, for exmple I saw itunes on your startup list, you dont need it, it just uses 60MB of RAM in the backround and does nothing until you open itunes, if you disable it at startup you save the 60MB and itunes still acts just like before when you click the shortcut.... Do this with all the other unecessary startup apps / programs / services / processes and you'll gain a bunch of resources back.

I think you'll run into the same issue with heat (maybe worse) with the Envy 14 if you load it up the same way as this computer....

 

It did reduce a few temp after I disable all the junk apple software (I don't want them)

Envy 14's CPU is located around the keyboard not the left palm rest anymore, so I guess I'm fine

 

There is a lot more 'junk' software you can 'disable' in your startup file (system configuration) that will make more difference than the apple software, that was just an example I used. By disabling them at startup you don't lose the programs or access to them, they just don't load until you click on the shortcuts, saving memory and loading fewer processes until you actually open the program...

Here are the startup files I have disabled in sys config, they all were loaded automatically when the software installed. I have regained ~ 300MB of RAM and have 9 fewer processes running in the backround with just this simple tweak... Your list of what to disable will be different of course...



And here is the list of 16 uneccessary services I have disabled, had to use 2 images since it could not show all at once;

 

wow, I see you disabled MS services, I don't know which one I can though..I will do what you did

 

YUN,

you don't want to disable the disc defrag (MS) since you have an HDD, I don't need it with SSD's

By the way there are a lot more services I have disabled via Task manager > services tab > services button (lower right). The lists are below, again 2 images. The problem with this list is that I cannot tell which ones I disabled and which ones are disabled by default when win 7 is installed. So if you disable some of these make sure to note which ones in case you have issues so you know which ones to reenable. Use caution and common sense when disabling from this list...

 

Acutally, mine has SSD g2....

 

I guess I new that, sorry, it's hard to keep track...

 

ok all so other than JJB, are there any other 1080p envy screens that see this as a solid shade of grey on their screen?

http://www.keithstravels.com/travelog/photos/desktopsplit-loginscreen.jpg

as I posted before, click on the image in your browser so it appears as 100% on your screen. As the image states, if your screen is working properly, left and right side of the screen should be appearing the same shade of grey. If not, one side will be lighter than the other.

I'm beginning to think HP will try to sweep this under the rug with me.

 

I will check tonight. Give it a few hours. My Envy isn't my work machine, and many people don't use theirs during the day. You'll see this thread light up more in a couple hours when the US workday is over.

 

So i Just ordered my laptop two days ago. Do I call and cancel the order? and tell them to send me the same order?


So I called They initially tried to offer me 100 dollars to not cancel my order. Than when talkin to her supervisor she offered me ~300 to not cancel (i couldve gotten ~650 with the 30%) so I chose the hp deal as it only takes 3 days to get the credit and I dont have to wait even longer to get my envy lol

 

1080p Glossy here. I see it as a split as well

 

looks great on my screen.

 

Just checked. Mine definitely shows two different shades of grey when the image is at native pixels. But the picture seems to be fine for me in general, so I'm not gonna worry about it. No, it's not an IPS display, but it's a very good TN display as JJB has said.

 

I'm not sure what constitutes a "very good" TN panel, but my 23" dell monitor that I got for $180 (a TN panel as well) and also my old 6 year old laptop does not exhibit this problem.

I agree a general user would probably not notice this, but I bought this envy to edit graphics.

Whats happening is on pastel and some dark colors there are faint horizontal lines where the image should be solid. This obviously is not acceptable as i may think some graphics have lines through them, when they don't.

The lines look like this if you look closely.



Anyways its good to hear that there are some envys that don't have this problem. It gives me hope that i'll eventually get one without these lines. It sounds like the vast majority have this problem though

 

Anyone know how long it takes to fully charge the standard battery with power off when it's been fully drained? At least an estimate, thx.

 

@Pitabred

Try downloading it and viewing at native res in photoshop or another image editing program. I am guessing that the browser image maybe the image is getting changed in the browser or something like maybe converting from RGB to sRGB which would effect how it looks. Also it helps to step back a few feet and unfocus youe eys, the idea is you should see the same shade of grey at the same bightness level on both sides, don'e even think about the horizontal lines or vertical middle line....

 

About 3.5 hours or so, it does not make a difference whether it's powered off or if I'm using it with the 120W adapter, about an extra 30 minutes with the 65W travel adapter when it's in use...