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    *HP Envy 15 Owners Lounge! PART 1*

    Discussion in 'HP' started by Serg, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. kpziegler

    kpziegler Notebook Enthusiast

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    Just saw one at the local Fry's - and I feel better about my HP-Bing order after seeing it, mainly for two reasons:

    1) The swirl pattern on the case and palmrests is more understated than I expected given some of the photos on the net. I actually like the way it looks, whereas before seeing it in person I was concerned about the look.

    2) The heat - the palmrests weren't anywhere near uncomfortable at idle, and the rest of the top wasn't warm at all except right next to the exhaust. The underside was quite warm in spots (near the exhaust, interestingly right under the trackpad), but not hot. Granted, I didn't have any way to test it under load - but I've owned a 15" MBP and know how hot that gets under load without any stability problems.
     
    kpziegler, Oct 22, 2009
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  2. lugnut

    lugnut Notebook Geek

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    The Best Buy display models do not have Edge to Edge glass, but hopefully the laptops we get from hp will.
     
    lugnut, Oct 22, 2009
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  3. winkosmosis

    winkosmosis Notebook Evangelist

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    They definitely will, otherwise the pics they've been showing us would be false advertising. That makes me think it would be a different screen too. Or do they just take a normal LCD and put glass on top?? I doubt that.

    Now that I know Fry's has them too per the post before yours, I'll check the one here.
     
    winkosmosis, Oct 22, 2009
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  4. funndamentals

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    anybody tried the beats model yet? all the best buys around me say they are in stock.
     
    funndamentals, Oct 22, 2009
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  5. csquared

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    Why would they have different models, one just at best buy?! That's just not practical from a production standpoint. 2 different skus and 2 different manufacturing lines.
     
    csquared, Oct 22, 2009
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  6. lugnut

    lugnut Notebook Geek

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    My only guess is that the laptops currently on display at Best Buy and other places that got them early, are pre-production models. Which if this is the case, who knows what other things have changed on this notebook since the pre-production model was made.
     
    lugnut, Oct 22, 2009
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  7. funndamentals

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    unfortunately, i think you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
     
    funndamentals, Oct 22, 2009
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  8. noxity

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  9. rexian

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    I really don't think BB has pre-prod laptops. Just imagine how many BBs are there. All have pre-prod units? Not possible. Especially when they put it on display only couple of days before having the production units in stock.

    But I'll be really happy if proven wrong as E2E glass is really needed if this is their flagship model.
     
    rexian, Oct 22, 2009
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  10. rexian

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    Now again SXPS16 with RGB LED seems like a better alternative. But then thickness, weight, looks, heat ... decision, decisions ...
     
    rexian, Oct 22, 2009
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  11. lugnut

    lugnut Notebook Geek

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    I wouldn't think that HP would STILL have this information on the homepage of the Envy 15 if it wasn't going to have edge to edge.

    Fusion of art and science
    Each ENVY 15 has been artfully sculpted with advanced materials and precision engineering. You get:

    * A strong but lightweight magnesium chassis (1.04" thick, up to 5.2 lb. 7)
    * An elegant metal-etched surface design
    * A frameless look with edge-to-edge protective display glass
    * Fluid controls: a click pad that integrates the button in the touchpad
    * Convenient one-touch and action keys on a full-size keyboard
    * Reduced glare in the dark via low-luminance indicators on the keys

    Link: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...odexp/hhoslp/psg/notebooks/ENVY/ENVY15_series


    EDIT: Also, if you click on Product Demo on that page, it will show a video of it and it looks like its edge to edge. Also, on the video, click on details at the bottom right and look at the picture 3rd to the right and it shows the same thing.
     
    lugnut, Oct 22, 2009
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  12. iTBaggedUrMac

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    iTBaggedUrMac, Oct 22, 2009
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  13. yay

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    While i was out i went to two local bb's. Neither one had them in stock, sucks. I really want to see this thing in person and see if this purchase is really worth it in the long run. I don't know, guess i'll just have to be more patient and wait like everyone else.
     
    yay, Oct 22, 2009
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  14. Bubbamel

    Bubbamel Notebook Evangelist

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    Lets also keep in mind that Hp has its retail division and its made to order division. They could be producing the laptops at different factories which is why they are different. Since they are mass produced, maybe this is to cut costs. Best Buy had the Asus g51 which had far different(inferior) specs then the one you could get at Xotic PC, or gentech pc. So, imho i think there is still a possibility to have the "frameless" look.


    Edit: For those jumping ship, wouldn't it be wiser at this point to just wait for the laptop and if you do not like it return it? Just wondering.
     
    Bubbamel, Oct 22, 2009
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  15. iTBaggedUrMac

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    Yeah... Samsung even makes a special LED LCD HDTV model specifically for BB.
    I think, at this point, if you try to cancel they are most likely going to ship it to you and you will have to return it.
    So... Why not just wait and use it a bit before you send it back?
     
    iTBaggedUrMac, Oct 22, 2009
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  16. winkosmosis

    winkosmosis Notebook Evangelist

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    I prefer not to do that, since it does leave HP with a used rather than new laptop. But if they misrepresented it, that becomes their problem.
     
    winkosmosis, Oct 22, 2009
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  17. iTBaggedUrMac

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    Another option is to put it on FleeBay and try to make some money off of it! Us Binger's stand to make a nice little chunk of cash doing this. You could run it for 7day auction twice and if it didn't sell you could then send it back for a refund from HP.
     
    iTBaggedUrMac, Oct 22, 2009
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  18. Bubbamel

    Bubbamel Notebook Evangelist

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    winkosmosis.. I am trying to catch up with a few pages on this thread. What was the reason you were cancelling yours?
     
    Bubbamel, Oct 22, 2009
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  19. lugnut

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    I just got off of the phone with HP Support. The lady I talked to Confirmed 2 things for me.

    1: The Best Buy model is a different model than what you get from hp.com. If you ordered from hp.com, you WILL have a Edge to Edge screen.

    2: The ATI HD4830 is GDDR3 and NOT DDR3.

    I am very very happy now. Who know what else is different on the BestBuy model now? Cheaper Screen also? Not as bright?
     
    lugnut, Oct 22, 2009
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  20. ChivalricRonin

    ChivalricRonin Notebook Evangelist

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    Perhaps this could explain the two Envy 15 models on the HP support page?

    Damn glad I ordered from HP direct, with a custom built model even if I have to wait a little longer.

    That said, I hate when companies do this and put out sub-par variants of product that are hard to distinguish from the "good" version.
     
    ChivalricRonin, Oct 22, 2009
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  21. Bubbamel

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    I am a little skeptical on point #2.. I sure hope they are right. Thanks so much for checking that out lugnut! :D

    Edit: off subject real quick, but I am surprised they haven't started shipping some units today. :(
     
    Bubbamel, Oct 22, 2009
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  22. winkosmosis

    winkosmosis Notebook Evangelist

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    The reports about the dim screen. I also really want e2e glass, but I was never really worried it wouldn't be e2e glass.
     
    winkosmosis, Oct 22, 2009
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  23. Bubbamel

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    I gotcha... I was just curious. :D

    edit: let's hope the screen on the best buy version is just an inferior version for retail. (no offense to those buying it retail mind you!!!) :D
     
    Bubbamel, Oct 22, 2009
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  24. lugnut

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    There is most likely at least 3 different models of the HP Envy 15 out there. The Best Buy model # is Model: ENVY 15-1050NR which doesn't even show up on the HP Envy 15 support page found here: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...c=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&tool=&query=envy 15

    and there are 2 different models there.

    EDIT: Bubbamel - I am also starting to think that it might be inferior to the one ordered from hp.com.
     
    lugnut, Oct 22, 2009
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  25. ChivalricRonin

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    Any idea what the difference between the two on the webpages are? The "1030ef" model doesn't have specs listed.
     
    ChivalricRonin, Oct 22, 2009
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  26. Bubbamel

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    That is what we are trying to figure out, no idea as of yet unfortunately.
     
    Bubbamel, Oct 22, 2009
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  27. peppe1

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    Just wait for the walmart SKU if you want to see some real part substitution...

    Anyone know anything about HP model numbers?

    15 is showing:
    » HP Envy 15-1030ef Notebook PC
    » HP Envy 15-1066nr Notebook PC

    13 is showing:
    » HP Envy 13-1007la Notebook PC
    » HP Envy 13-1050ea Notebook PC
    (Service manual posted on 13's, models have same manual)
     
    peppe1, Oct 22, 2009
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  28. kevroc

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    From the HP quickship models page...

    "HP ENVY 15-1050NR Notebook PC NEW"

    "HP ENVY 15-1055SE Beats Limited Edition Notebook PC NEW"
     
    kevroc, Oct 22, 2009
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  29. kevroc

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    kevroc, Oct 22, 2009
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  31. Bubbamel

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    All these model numbers make my hrain burt.... :D
     
    Bubbamel, Oct 22, 2009
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  32. funndamentals

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    wow thats really ty....pardon my french...but good news to the poeple who ordered. So why are the prices the same if the product is clearly inferior?
     
    funndamentals, Oct 22, 2009
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  33. ddmeightball

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    Question for anyone:

    I know, from what I have googled that GDDR3 is faster than DDR3. Do we have any specs/tests to tell me how much faster it is? Will it make that big of a difference if its not GDDR3 and actually DDR3? (granted, anything is a step up from my POS Acer right now.... ;) )
     
    ddmeightball, Oct 22, 2009
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  34. defaultname

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    My guess is that 15-103X model is pre-production, and 15-106X is mass production which has E2E screen.
     
    defaultname, Oct 22, 2009
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  35. lugnut

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    Well, we now know that the 1066nr is the one Microsoft is selling and based off of the pics on there site it is not Edge to Edge.

    The HP ENVY 15-1050NR is the best buy model and also matches the HP Quick Ship model which based off of Best Buys display models isn't Edge to Edge.

    So that leaves the HP Envy 15-1030ef as the one hp.com is selling and has a Edge to Edge screen?
     
    lugnut, Oct 22, 2009
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  36. winkosmosis

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    They probably needed to cheapen the BB one to maintain a profit margin after BB takes a cut.
     
    winkosmosis, Oct 22, 2009
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  37. defaultname

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    I wouldn't believe pictures. Only the real thing can show what is what.
     
    defaultname, Oct 22, 2009
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  38. duffyanneal

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    I would rather not have the edge-to-edge screen. I've owned a couple of Dells and HPs that had edge-to-edge and I wasn't impressed. Between dust issues and added glare it wasn't worth it to me. So be careful what you wish for.
     
    duffyanneal, Oct 22, 2009
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  39. Bubbamel

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    Bingo!


    I have not heard many complaints about the infinity screens from HP. I have only really read of two "dust" problems with the HP screens. I think even the newer Dell's are experiencing less of this. I hope dust under the screen is not going to be a problem. :(
     
    Bubbamel, Oct 22, 2009
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  40. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    IIRC the difference between the 2 is around 10% performance.

    SO those who bought with Bing got what? The E2E or the non E2E? And that raises the question, will the GPU on both models be the same?

    You are french?
     
    Serg, Oct 22, 2009
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  41. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    "Pardon my French" is an English phrase referring to ignoring the profanity included in someone's statement...
     
    sgogeta4, Oct 22, 2009
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  42. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    ooohhh lol

    I feel so dumb...lol sorry...

    now, back to topic, any confirmation on DDR3 speeds? 1066 or 1333?
     
    Serg, Oct 22, 2009
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  43. lugnut

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    I have seen 1066 listed on a number of sites, but nothing confirmed yet.

    Serg - The people who ordered through hp.com will get the edge to edge, confirmed by hp support.
     
    lugnut, Oct 22, 2009
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  44. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    And now I have to wait for Bing to answer...

    What do you guys say? 1941-500 I am not paying those are 1441 for this fro my wallet, is this worth it? WIth bing I get to pay 940...
     
    Serg, Oct 22, 2009
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  45. csquared

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    This sucks, I'm not allowed to buy from HP, so I'm going to pay more, cause I couldn't get the BING discount AND I get a crappier Machine. I'm sooo pissed off.
     
    csquared, Oct 22, 2009
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  46. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    why cant you buy from HP?

    Have you given them a call and placed the order via telephone?
     
    Serg, Oct 22, 2009
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  47. Fragilexx

    Fragilexx Get'cha head in the game

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    serg, only you can answer that, partly because it's your money, but partly because I don't understand the question fully. :)

    At the end of the day at least you still have time to return the product, although as you are having that this delivered to a friend, I'm not sure how long you will actually have.

    I do hope they bring out a new models (or at least release them), I'm a then reconsider this laptop, but for me the biggest problem was the keyboard, something that I don't think they will be fixing any time soon.

    P.S. Off topic- I have typed this message with the speech recognition in windows 7, in fact I even navigated to to this page using the speech recognition. It's a massive improvement over the release candidate.
     
    Fragilexx, Oct 22, 2009
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  48. peppe1

    peppe1 Notebook Evangelist

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    csquared, why not ship it to the credit card you are using's billing address. Its not uncommon for online purchases to require the shipping address to match the billing address of the credit card to prevent fraud.
     
    peppe1, Oct 22, 2009
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  49. csquared

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    I've been on the phone with them for HOURS. being transfered all over the place. The reason was HP HQ said no. It might be because my shipping and billing address is different but that's because I'm in college. So I can't get it......

    Someone buy it from best buy and see if the screen is actually E2E
     
    csquared, Oct 22, 2009
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  50. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Honestly, won't make a difference. It's just a number, you won't notice a difference in any real life situation. But if you were told 1333, you should get that, but even if you don't it's not a deal breaker (at least for me). You can always talk to HP about false advertisement and see if they'll do anything for you.
     
    sgogeta4, Oct 22, 2009
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