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    *HP HDX18 Owners Lounge*

    Discussion in 'HP' started by HDX18, Sep 16, 2008.

  1. jnickell

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    Thats brutal - I'd tell them to keep it and order another. I wouldn't want something back that has taken them 4 weeks to work on.
     
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    Okay I'm trying to download the latest drivers for out notebook however when I put in HDX 18t I get 2 results...

    1000 model and 1100 model. How do I know which one I've got? Does it make a difference?
     
  3. jnickell

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    Did you just get it? If so you have the 1100
     
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    I got it! Just typed in the p/n and it went straight to it. Now if only I could figure out a way to adjust the default settings on the bass and treble levels for the audio.

    That audio update though seems to have vastly improved the quality of the sound for the most part. And it got rid of the annoying Windows Media issues.
     
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    No Worries :) i was really excited to finally find a way to overclock this beast. been trying different ways for ages :) Glad it's useful for you!

    Haven't really tested it overclocked under load on battery power.
    I got a copy of the "Powermizer Switch" app from laptopvideo2go.com so it lets the GPU downclock while in 2d on battery and sits cranked up while on AC Power.

    Also with the force performance profile in rivatuner set to performance 3d i think it might interfere with powermizer and not let it clock the gpu right down while in 2d (ie. just in windows)... just a suspicion, haven't had time to confirm that yet. :confused:

    Rivatuner is quite handy in the fact that you can customize speed profiles.
    I have 3, cranked, stock & downclocked. Even though rivatuner doesn't allow me to downclock as hard as powermizer, it's still handy to just "flick a switch" while i'm at work so the poor GPU isn't cranking all day.

    Also didn't get much of a chance to test my new gaming performance last night. *shakes fists at rockband2* :) will try either at lunch today or tonight.

    To answer another question i noticed, I'm not entirely sure if it's possible to overclock the CPU in this beast. i did try out a couple of O/C apps I came across yesterday but to no avail :mad: .
    I'm going to give it another good shot today if i get a chance. I'm sure it's more than possible, just gotta find the right app for the job ;)

    Will report back when I either work it out or admit defeat :p
     
  6. lancorp

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    What audio update?
     
  7. davistw

    davistw Notebook Enthusiast

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    I am going to order a HDX18 and was wondering. Is there an easy way to remove all of the bloatware that HP puts on it? The last HP I had was full of junk. Or did HP stop?
     
  8. TechnoFile

    TechnoFile Notebook Guru

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    To my surprise I really didn't find that any bloatware at all on my unit. That was among the first things I did after I switched out the hard drive and memory.

    However it seemed like everything there was necessary and not some retarded useless program...
     
  11. jnickell

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    Much of what used to be bloatware seems to have been replaced with links to a website to download the bloatware, but they have not installed most of it.
     
  12. kailus

    kailus Newbie

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    No its a cycle of sending it back to me and me sending it to them that's killing over 4 weeks.
     
  13. davistw

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    Cool, Thanks for the info. I am looking forward to getting my laptop.
     
  14. valen741

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    Hi All,

    Just a quick update regarding speeds, temps and CPU overclocking.

    Speed has increased by around 25% in games with the overclock (details are a few pages back)

    FPS in WoW @ 1920x1080 with all options maxed (speeds tested in a very busy auction house so average speeds will be much higher)

    Stock Clocks = ~18-20FPS
    Overclocked = 24-26FPS :)

    Temps have still remained better with the overclock enabled.
    Usually after about 30mins of gameplay temps reach the 85C mark (with the notebook on a desk, not raised)
    with the overclock enabled i was reaching max temp of 80C :)

    Also did some further research into overclocking the CPU and it seems that it is kind of possible but is rather dodgy. Couldn't manage to actually identify the clockgen on the mobo, tried a few and came close to getting the correct readings but gave up after the 6th full crash.
    Also the T9400 has locked multipliers so it would be very hard to achieve a good stable overclock without overclocking your ram and bus. It might be different for people with different CPU's but would definitely suggest not to overclock the quad-core's. seems the cooling in this beast is barely adequate for them.

    Either way, a 25% increase in gaming speeds is certainly nothing to laugh at and has made a world of difference for me. Hopefully some of y'all will have similar results with yours.

    Still would be very interested to see how some of you with DDR3 ram in your 9600m's go!

    Hope this has helped some of you out as much as it has me!

    Cheers,

    Valen
     
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    CTRL Notebook Enthusiast

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    Quick question:

    Do any of you leave your laptop on all the time?

    If you do turn it off, how often do you do so?

    I've heard leaving it on all the time might be better.
     
  16. TechnoFile

    TechnoFile Notebook Guru

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    Valen,

    I tried your GPU overclocking technique and could not get my 18t to remain stable with the numbers that worked for you. However, I did manage to get it to work using 575/1400/500 with no apparent negative effects. This boosted my Graphics WEI from 4.8 to 5.7 and my Gaming graphics from 5.3 to 5.4. Since I'm not a gamer, this works beautifully for me. Thanks!
     
  17. TechnoFile

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    CTRL,

    If you do, I'd recommend raising it up using something like a plastic empty inbox to help the fans do their job.
     
  18. valen741

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    Nice one! that's great.

    Shame you couldn't quite crank it as far as i did. Guess it comes down to the whole "every chip is different" thing.

    Good call with the WEI! didn't think of updating my score! mine went up to 5.4 total (wish i could O/C my CPU now lol) graphics WEI went up to 5.9 and gaming graphics same as you 5.4. Kinda strange considering how much my FPS has improved on games :rolleyes:

    if you're not using the lappy for gaming it's probably not a massive deal that you can't get your shader speed up past 1400. Unless you're doing mad shiz with 3d rendering or some funky adobe stuff i'm pretty sure it's irrelevant. Shame you couldn't push the core up to the 600's though.

    So glad i could help you out mate!
    BTW, how did your temps go with the O/C ?

    Cheers,
    Valen
     
  19. TechnoFile

    TechnoFile Notebook Guru

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    After getting this post from you, I thought I would try pushing the shader up another 50 and see what happened. Bingo! 5.9 on Graphics WEI.

    I haven't stressed the system with the tools you mentioned only because longevity is my goal and heat is the enemy of all mobos as you, I'm sure, are well aware. I'm trying to break the record I set of 9 years with my ThinkPad 770 Windows 95 laptop that overheated and died about 15 months ago.
     
  20. orion7144

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    Mine stays on 24/7. I have on occasion found it locked up but I think it is a software issue I need to find. I do use a stand that has a ribbed bottom and try to prop it up some for air flow. I used the same stand with my DV9500 and it still got extremely hot where as this one does not.

     
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    Valen - I have the 1GB GPU and DDR3 ram on mine. Can I do your procedure on mine?
     
  22. kayel_justice

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    Yes thats it. A few people had this problem....

    Well everyone, this morning I will be getting my HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Hell Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1 (64-bit)
    - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor P8400 (2.26 GHz)
    - 18.4" diagonal High Definition HP Ultra BrightView Infinity Display (1920x1080p)
    - 4GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm) - For 1GB NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT graphics
    - 1GB NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT
    - FREE Upgrade to 320GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection
    - Webcam + Fingerprint Reader with HP Imprint Finish (Fluid)
    - HP Color Matching Keyboard
    - Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card
    - Blu-Ray ROM with SuperMulti DVD+/-R/RW Double Layer
    - No TV Tuner w/remote control
    - 8 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
    - No Productivity Software
    - HP Home & Home Office Store in-box envelope
    1 year phsical damage warranty.

    I can't wait anymore to see this thing. I can do some hardcore projects with this thing!
     
  23. kayel_justice

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    AWESOME POST VALEN! I have the same question as Bokiyo, can I try this with my specs? Check the post above this to see them...

    Oh yea, and speaking of touchscreens (*wink), when are they going to make a desktop replacement touchscreen people?
     
  24. emotionalone

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    Did anyone notice?

    Also, has anyone with an HDX18(T) done a successful undervolting?

    Cheers
     
  25. Caffeine&Chicory

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    Am at work and couldn't connect my HDX18t to the internet to have HP detect my product #. I was going to dload driver updates but was unclear on whether I have the HDX18t 1000 or 1100. Nothing I have records of seems to indicate either one of those model numbers. Any ideas :confused:
     
  26. jnickell

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    If you got your computer in the last 30 days it should be 1100.
     
  27. Caffeine&Chicory

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    Easy enough, thanks J.
     
  28. ljcook

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    I just saw in HP product registration it now shows: 1000, 1100, and 1200.
     
  29. jnickell

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    Our computer setups are also very similar. I did a little searching and someone mentioned it potentially having to do with the DDR3 - which it looks like you didn't get, so I may have led you astray.

    This should help
    Product name HP model number(s)
    HP HDX X18-1000 Premium Notebook PC Series FF231AAR, FF231AV, FF286AV, KD114AV

    HP HDX X18-1100 Premium Notebook PC Series FJ927AV, FJ929AV
     
  30. jnickell

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    Valen,

    Have you tried using the new 3DMark Vantage - from my understanding it would be a better judge of our Graphics ability because we have a 9 series card.
     
  31. jnickell

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    Can't find anything on 1200 - where did you see it?
     
  32. ljcook

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    When you go to Register your HP product.
     

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    Interesting - it is not in the support section with drivers yet - I'm wondering if they are getting ready to release a new upgrade or something.
     
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    You could try decrapifier: http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/
     
  35. Danterakin415

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    Do Not Get The INFINITY SCREEN! I just got scammed by HP today because I got the Infinity Display and this display is nice and everything but gave me two major problems. First is that Dust gets trapped between the two screens and that with the Infinity display, your keys will hit the screen which will cause blemishes.

    HP s did not want to cover my laptop by warranty because they said it was due to physical damage, but honestly it was because it is a design flaw and many others with the screen also came about the same problems as me.

    So, if you do have the Infinity Screen and have blemishes or dust, call them and complain!!!! Seriously call them, because I made them put that issue on a "ISSUE TRACKER" and if more people join me and complain, then they will put that screen in RECALL and have it replaced with a new screen. Even if you had the screen and damaged it trying to take out the dust, they will fix it as well for you. So call them, complain, tell them that you and many others with the screen have dust, and hopefully they will recall the screen and put brand new screens on out notebooks!!!

    So call HP and complain if you have DUST or KEY BLEMISHES on your screen!!! They won't replace it right away, they just need to know that it is a very common problem and that there is a flaw in their design!
     
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  36. jnickell

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    What type of computer do you have?
     
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    I thought that the Infinity Display was the standard for the 18 series. Didnt know you could chose, besides i did get the physical warranty, I hope everyone did.
     
  38. edreamerz

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    Infinity Display is the only option AFAIK.
     
  39. Caffeine&Chicory

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    I went through all 10 of Danterakin415's posts and after seeing about 8 like the one posted here there was this one:

    Wow! Okay, I sent my DV5T in 2 days ago because I too had dust in my screen as well as blemishes from the keys being in contact with the keyboard. So just now, I check the status and they want to charge me $428.85 for the service charge. I called right away and asked why I was being charge. And they said exactly what you said Rich. They said it doesn't fall into the warranty coverage. I started to complain and told them that it is a design flaw and that the people that ordered the Infinity Screen shouldn't pay for their engineer's mistakes.

    Then the rep put me on hold and spoke with his supervisor, and basically all he said that he can do is "escalate" this issue with a technician and a manager. So I will be recieving a call within two days from them.

    This is complete bull and I agree with you Rich, if I had known, I wouldn't even pay for that upgrade of a Inifinity screen. Also the fact that they say that it is "Scratch Resisant" is a joke. So yeah, let me know how it goes for you because I will be joining you in making the noise.

    By the way, DO NOT EVER GET THE INIFINITY DISPLAY! ITS JUST BULL!!

    Dante
     
  40. edreamerz

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    Sorry for the issue you are having, but this is the first time I've heard about it. Who else here is having this issue?
     
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  41. peter0328

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    Stop spamming your message. You do realize that the design of the dv5 you have is different than our HDX 18. We do not have this problem.
     
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    AMEN!!! :D
     
  43. jnickell

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    And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
     
  44. TheAtreidesHawk

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    http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_notebook_winvista64_179.48_beta.html

    That's the latest driver from NVIDIA for our Graphics processor. Has anyone downloaded and installed it? Any issues? It says that it's a beta....so what happens when the full/official version is released? Would I have to go uninstall the beta driver and then get the full update?

    I'm just trying to make sure that I've got the latest updates/drivers for both the audio and video components to my laptop.

    As for WEI my lowest score was a 5.0....which is good but I was hoping it would be better. Don't know if I should do this whole "overclocking" thing. Other than increasing the numbers I don't know if it would speed up performance on my laptop.

    Especially boot times.
     
  45. Caffeine&Chicory

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    CK,

    Depends upon where you are trying to get with your laptop. Unless you specifically enjoy being on the cutting edge of driver versions or you are trying to fix an actual issue with your current drivers I would say wait until the beta is in an official version.

    As far as the overclocking of the graphics card, if you are not looking for better framerates in games or doing some heavy duty editing work then overclocking probably isn't for you.

    I am going to give the overclocking a go for gaming and large image editing.

    CC

    PS. If you want to install the beta driver, once the official version is out it will usually be numbered higher than the beta so that you simply install it over the beta just like the beta would go over your current one.
     
  46. jnickell

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    I don't believe overclocking the GPU will affect boot times at all. It does seem to be a relatively low risk way to improve the performance of your graphics a bit though.
     
  47. valen741

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    Hi Again.

    To the DDR3 pplz you most certainly can try out the settings i posted earlier to overclock your GPU. only thing you'll need to change is your memory speeds. I'm pretty sure your ram would run at 800MHZ so probably start at about 850 or 880 and increase it bit by bit until your lappy becomes unstable so make sure you're running 2 instances of RTHDRIBL while playing with your clock speeds and watch for artifacts or tearing in the images as that's when the GPU is having a hard time coping with the speed. Just because the lappy doesn't crash doesn't mean it can handle it properly. Once you find the instability point, back your memory speeds off by around 50ish MHZ and you should be at roughly your max stable speed.

    same applies with your core and shader speeds.

    Just make sure you watch your temps!! Anything 90C or under is acceptable. The fans in the HDX18 kick into high gear once temps reach 85C and generally it does a pretty good job of keeping the temps under 90C.
    If you're reaching these temps regularly make sure you raise the back of the lappy off the desk a tad.
    An Eraser under each rubber foot seems to do the job quite well. Just make sure you're not blocking the vents!

    T - Awesome work dude! 5.9 is crankin' :) Glad i could help you out!
    I would however recommend that you give the stress testers a go though. even if you only run it for 20mins or so. If you can run stable for that long and keep a decent temp your O/C is perfect. you just don't want it running at a speed it can't properly handle all the time.

    Good luck with your record breaking :p


    J - Yeah i did give 3DMark Vantage a go.
    Honestly the 9600's aren't really up for the challenge. only scored about 1700 odd marks :(

    Definitely is a worthy stress tester though as it pushes the GPU wwaaayy past what it's capable of! (Technofile - this might be good for you to test your O/C with!)

    Cheers guy's

    Valen

    EDIT: just noticed the last post.
    Overclocking the GPU will definitely not improve your boot times. it's just a good way to get a good 20-25% extra performance in games and anything else graphic intensive.

    Another thing i found out about yesterday i thought i'd share though.
    For any of you running 4GB ram and stuck with 32-bit vista, get yourself a copy of "Ultimate windows tweaker v1.1"! in the system performance section there's a one click way of enabling PAE.
    It's a kinda crude method of letting your machine address over 4GB RAM. System information will still report only 3GB but it certainly made a noticeable difference on my HDX. Definitely worth a shot!
     
  48. valen741

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    One more thing in regards to GPU Drivers.

    The HP Drivers seem to do just as good a job as most of the beta's out there.
    Even DOX's customized drivers over at laptopvideo2go.com don't seem to make more than about 1-2% difference and as they are based on desktop drivers they make the GPU run heaps hot! i was idling at nearly 70C with most versions.

    If you're keen to give them a shot, go for either 181.22 or 180.84.1. They seem to be the picks of the bunch.

    185.20 apparently greatly improves performance on GTA4 so if you're currently playing it, install the driver and see if it improves your FPS some.
     
  49. sonac

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    Has anyone bought NZXT Cryo LX cooler for this laptop? I know, that it does not really need cooling, but I really ike the angle and i would like to squeeze as much out of the 9600 gt as possible.
    I would order it right away, but i need to know if hdx18 stands steady on this cooler before buying.

    One more thing: The only hardware factor, that can shorten boot-time is the hard drive. On boot hard drive has to read all the data and transfer it into your computer's memory - if read speed is higher, data will get loaded more qucikly and computer will be ready for use sooner. If you want shorter boot times, then buy a SSD (wait a few months, since the prices are dropping at incredible rates).
     
  50. edreamerz

    edreamerz Notebook Consultant

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    Finally got both Seagate 500GB hard drives and the 8GB G.Skill memory installed. Loving it!!!
     
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