HP Mini 311 on sale!

Came out 10/15, no?
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15710

 

I'm a bit new to this thread, but I was wondering if anyone knew where I could purchase just the external blu-ray drive that the mini 311 is currently being sold with as an option. Seems like a great buy at $125.

 

that article is 10/15/08 it is flash 10, there is a BIG difference between 10 and 10.1 though you wouldn't think so. 10 only has a very small portion of gpu acceleration, i noticed practically no difference. But with 10.1 you get full gpu acceleration.

 

When is 10.1 coming? Is there a beta?

 

they only announced something like q4 2009, so sometime in the next month or 2 is all we know.

 

word ont he street is late nov for it.

 

Thanks for the info. My wife and I both ordered 311s over the weekend, so I'm making notes of what all to update & upgrade when they get here.

 

Why all the high hopes for the dm1? Sure, it has a better processor than the Atom, but with crappy Intel graphics ION will still be able to rule it at gaming. You can argue that flash will benefit from the better processor, but with flash 10.1 coming out ION will be able to beat it at that as well.

I don't get it.

 

I think in the long run, CPU is going to matter more to me (not to mention its dual core). I don't plan on playing hardcore games on a netbook, and the Intel graphics should do fine with media playback (it has support for DXHA IIRC).

 

i had high hopes for the dm1 then i saw the price, really its no better than the acer timeline at a steeper price, if it had discrete graphics maybe then, but otherwise it's way overpriced.

like if you were to see an option on the mini 311 and it said to add a su2300 for $250 <_< would you do it?

 

Theoretically I would pay 250.00 dollars more if I could get a SU2300 dual core intel chip with a ion chipset and a dedicated gpu in a netbook! then All problems would be solved hardware wise!

 

I am having second thoughts on my purchase. I may in fact attempt to go a DM3 with the AMD Congo... It really all depends on battery life. If I can't get 2.5 hours looping 3DMark, then I'll have to keep what I have. But, I think that the AMD Neo Dual Core + HD 3200 might be able to squeeze out 2.5 hours on load. Who knows...

The question is, If I return my HP 311, what happens if I am missing a piece of foam packing or something? Does the credit get refused? I think I have everything I need for the return, but I am not sure. Anyone work at HP or return something that can fill me in on the process? I have to believe they want to find any excuse in the book to refuse a return. So, I won't even go through an attempt if they do make it difficult. Thoughts?

I am conflicted. I really like it, but the whole Hulu running in low quality mode (something I have to right click on each time I log in to hulu) is getting old. The quality is fine, but its like I always have to change something on it to get it to play right. I know that 10.1 flash is around the corner, but I am also told that it the application itself needs to have GPU accelleration enabled for it to even work... ... ...

The Atom *IS* Anemic.. A Dual Core Atom is STILL anemic... This thing needs a CULV.

 

what the hp dm3 ? You know how much thats going to cost ?

 

Yes, probably. We will see.

 

My mini is in production and wont ship till the 26th. Wondering if i should just cancel and get a dv2. The black one is $600 and the white one is $500. The black one comes with 4 gigs of ram vs 2 gigs in the white one. They both have the neo at 1.6ghz and they both have the radeon 3410. The 3410 has 512MB dedicated adn can share up to 2302MB total. Its performance should be on the scale of the ion and its actually 10.1 so it should see speed benfits over the ion in situations where it can use 10.1. It also has 512 megs dedicated.

 

The only problem with the DV2 is the horrible battery life. Even the MSI competitor gets like 40% more battery life with a similar configuration. HP typically don't take care to conserver battery life, so they have all sorts of buttoms and flashy back lit icons to draw even more power. I like the power of the DV2, but the battery life is deplorable in my book. Most of the reviews state the same thing.

 

Well, I decided to read anand's review of the 780G Versus 9400M review, again. I read it a while back and remembering that AMD took a pretty hefty back seat.

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3432

I am certain that congo's GPU is in no way comparable to ION's GPU. It is, on average, 33% slower than the nVidia 9400M. Not to mention that, but look at this initial power consumption??? Wow... Not good for AMD. Granted, these ARE desktop variants, but AMD sure has a huge job to bring down HD3200 power consumption to levels in line with where the desktop 9400M was to begin with.

On the flip side, the congo platform has a much, much more powerful CPU. So AMD wins hands down here no problem. Would congo outperform ION in games? Wow, I am really doubting it after seeing the 780G numbers again. It is still a huge step ahead of Intel GMA, but it sure did take a back seat to the nVidia GPU.

So, now perhaps the DM3 is out of the question unless the HD4330 can somehow keep power consumption low enough to be unplugged for a decent amount of time.

Damn, this is so difficult... Faster CPU and slower GPU, or slower CPU and faster GPU. :-/

It looks like I am keeping my ION for sure unless the DM3 has magical properties.

 

For that price you have to buy it with the system otherwise you buy it through HP Parts store - part#506779-001 for $246.05

I ordered mine with the system. It's pretty nice.

 

You do know the congo is diffrent than the 780g right ?

Also the g9400 your looking at is clocking 80mhz faster than the ion. Doesn't sound ike much but 80mhz with 4 pipe lines is going to equate to an extra 320megapixel fill rate. So you actually have a 2320mpixel fillrate vs 2000mpixel fillrate.

Also the ion in the mini is an le so its dx 9 only. On the congo you can also get 4330. It also has dedicated ram of 512 megs . So its not going to touch the bandwidth of the cpu unless you increase its frame buffer.

An intel core 2 duo at 2.1ghz with 2gigs of ram and the 4330 will get 30.7 fps in crysis and 17fps at medium settings.

Fear gets you 228 fps at low with the same specs. or 70 fps at medium and 23 fps at high.

I know the dual core neo at 1.6ghz isn't as fast as the core 2 duo at 2.1 ghz but its much faster than the single core atom.

Also lets not forget that the article you posted is from 2008.

 

Pasta, as u know from my postings in the msi threads on the u210, remember that the neo will EASILY clock upwards of 400mhz over stock with little to no impact on temps and, because of the onboard mem controller, using setfsb results in a startling performance increase. Having spent a LOT of time o'clocking the atom in the original MSI U100, I can tell you the o'clocked neo is not just *much faster* than the o'clocked atom, it's geometrically faster. I suspect from reading your posts, for those times you want gaming performance, unlocking that neo potential (takes about ten seconds) will get you where you want to go. Further, don't discount the existence of the amd *Fusion* utility, which lets you with a single click clean out all the unneeded threads and processes not needed for your gaming session, and when you're done, another single 'click' and they are all restored...I would b VERY surprised if the o'clocked neo/congo wouldn't meet your requirements.

I can tell you that running stock, I have no problems on the u210 with hd video on youtube, or Hulu, and I only have the venerable 1270 on the u210 which is seriously outclassed by the 3410 series. The 4330 on the dm3 is a whole different animal and would crush both the 3410 and the 9400 together.

Seer

ok ok if you HAVE to have the dual core neo...well then you could always buy the dm3z, loaded for 519
http://www.dealitem.com/Deal/1174016/NEW!-HP-Pavilion-dm3z.aspx

 

780G = 40 Vector shaders clocked at 500Mhz
Congo HD3200 = 40 Vector shaders clock at 500Mhz or lower, depending on implementation of the OEM.

From the performance stand point, the HD3200 and Congo are INDENTICLE. You can argue that because they have different names that they are not the same, whatever... Who cares what the name is. The performance of congo will not surpass the 780G chipset. The power consumption numbers on the other hand are not relevent, except that both nVidia and AMD were both using desktop boards and the AMD platform consumed far, far great energy. This already puts the HD3200 at a disadvantage. Because every optimization that can be made for the AMD chipset can be done for the nVidia 9300/9400M as well.

As far as getting the 4330, no on disputes that it would be faster than the Ion. But power consumption is even further thrown out the door. The AMD IGP can't even compete with nVidia, how is a dedicated card going to compete? It won't happen. Alternatively, the DM3 CULV can be configured for a dedicated nVidia card.

Should we have a friendly bet going? I will wager that the DM3 + AMD Neo + 4330 would not last more than 90 minutes under full load (3DMark06 looped) with the standard 6-cell. If I am wrong, great... I'd love to be wrong because everyone wins if AMD can compete on power consumption and performance, but the way it looks right now... Well, I don't think congo will be an endurance platform. But that is ok, it does offer greater CPU power, with a half-way decent IGP.

 

wellllllll, I would not be surprised if the 4330 put out something on the order of twice the performance of the 3200, with less energy consumption. The 4000 series is a darned good gpu, putting out something like 3.5 or better times the performance per watt capability of the 3k series...HP is claiming six hours on the dm3 with six cell battery with base configuration, sooo, that gives them what, 270 minutes of energy leeway to meet your 90 minutes challenge? Hmmm, might think of taking that bet Pasta (course he is talking full load)

seriously tho, the dual neo core dm3 with the 4330 will stomp the living chit out of any ion based platform assuming hp doesn't screw up the implementation LOL. And, I suspect batt life will be better than you think archangel. Price isn't all that bad either when you consider what you're getting. Have till the 25th to think it over at that current deal.


seer

 

There is almost literally no reason to get the dv2 with the dm3 out. The only reason i could see is if you really wanted the 12 instead of the 13 inch screen.

DM3 is everything the dv2 was but much better, build quality, OS, processor, graphics (well the 3200 is about on par with the dv2's 3410 if you go the 3200 route that is) and the base model is 549... so really, no reason possibly i could see going the dv2 route.

 

yea i wasn't comparing to the atom , was comparing to the core 2 duo used in the benchmark results for the games i posted. The 1.6ghz neo x2 is going to be slower than the 2.1ghz core 2 duo .

Also while that deal looks awsome , i dn't get what to do. It says 1. CLI and thast it.

 

I was speaking more to the fact of much newer driver support. AMD updates their drivers every month so yo uhave a years worth of drivers. Also im talking about power usage more than anything. That platform released over a year ago will use more energy than a new congo platform.

As for how long the dm3 will last , i can't say. If it lasts 90minutes on full load that may be more than enough for me. Worse comes to worse I can get a 12 cell battery and get 180mins giving me 3 hours of gaming without having to plug in

Regardless you can't really compare the power of an atom with an ion to a dual neo with the 4330. the performance will get much higher.

The real question is what speed does the dual neo need to run at during gaming on the game you want ? Because for all we know a dual core neo at 1ghz might be more than enough to max out the 3200 in gaming and by dropping a combined 1.2ghz speed off teh chip its battery life can increase to acceptable gaming levels.

Anyway for me as I said , I'm never far away from a plug and i doubt there will be many times when i need to game for an 1h 30mins without being by a charger.

 

hit the link to LogicBuy, that will set it up for you.

seer

 

coupon expired apparently.

 

Started an owners thread if anyone is interested.

-TK

 

Just got mine today. There is a issue with my 311 mini screen. When i shut it down and restart i get black screen with white spots... As windows load, there are horizontal static lines on the screen. It happens some times not always.
I take battery out and just boot it with main power connected. It gets all better. Other time i can shut it down and start it up with battery and power hooked up, without a problem. So its making debugging very hard

Not sure what is the issues yet. If any one has any suggestion i will appreciate it. I still have 21 days to return it, and get new one. If i cant find a solution i will return it and get new one.

 

if it's a new computer, already broken, and you can't figure it out even though you're experienced with computers, then i'd say return it 'cuz it really shouldn't be that way from day one ...

 

bad gpu or monitor. Just send it back.

 

Yeah i did the RMA, same day i got it . They set up the Fedx pickup for tomorrow. The build date now is Nov 10 . But they gave me free 2 day delivery .

As for the mini. The monitor is faulty. If i bend it a little, screen gets better but after a while its back to all static. Talk about bad luck.

One good thing that did came out, was when i order mine i got mine with Ion LE. Now the new one is ION .

By the way TY for the advice.

 

http://www.liliputing.com/2009/10/how-to-enable-directx-10-support-on-nvidia-ion-le.html

 

Hi guys. i'm interested in buying this netbook.

I noticed some differences in the specs looking at the hp website in the quick-ship models.

the new model 1025nr with win 7 has quickweb access and I noticed that the graphic card says up to 895mb available while the model with xp says up to 319mb available. I have seen and read that there is only 256mb available with Xp. Is this another case of HP making errors in their specs?

From what I understand is that windows xp can't use directx 10 , but lets say I buy the xp model which I would prefer , by unlocking the full ion, will there be an advantage?

also from the people who ran win 7 on their 311 , did you see an increase in battery time ?

I wanna see a review of the new model before I buy it.

 

Some people are reporting, though not necessarily for the 311, that "win 7 starter" does not have enough battery management features, so battery life tends to be shorter on those models (that is, in models with win 7 starter, as compared to models with XP home premium).

 

Do not turn off Fan Always On in the bios. I am using the stock XP and when i woke up from sleep, the system shut itself off with that setting disabled. FYI.

Another thing that bothers me is that with the logitech unifying receiver plugged in, it seems hang on the HP bios screen. Has anyone seen this?

 

ok cool. good to know. what about the full win 7 like home premium and ultimate? did it improve or more or less the same?

also I have win xp professional. is it worth it to do a fresh install with that when i get it or home premium is good enough?

 

Yep, common issue with many types of BIOS. Mine doesn't work. So I went with BT, something I wanted to do anyway.

 

Anyone know if its possible to overclock the cpu like the asus and msi wind?

I know the gpu can be overclocked a bit with nvidia system tools, but the cpu you can't.

 

I know the flash 10.1 will be coming out sometime before year end which will improve the quality of online video streaming. But what do you guys think it's the minimum hardware requirements to take advantage of the software update?

 

Flash 10.1 beta is out. People can try at there own risk

 

guys someone find out how to overclock the cpu on the mini 311.

aparently it gives good performance increase. some are running at 2ghz with no problem. there is even one testing at 2.2ghz lol

the plus side is that the temperatures do not increase that much. idle is still around 36 degree and under full load around 50 degrees.

check it out

http://myhpmini.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=2445

 

Has anyone tried to play a 10/25man instance in wow? Is it playable ?

 

Any news or info. on when or if the Mini 311 will be updated to Ion 2 or dual core atom cpu?