HP Spectre 13T-3000

After listening to music through headphones (on iTunes and on YouTube) I can confirm that the buzz is still there. It is definitely a Beats profile thing - turn Beats off and the buzz goes away. But in saying that, it's a really low buzz, and Beats does make the sound better to be honest, you can only hear the buzz at the end of a track when the music has stopped but the runtime is just finishing up - if you get me? Haha. You have to be listening for it to notice it, personally I think Beats adds more than it takes away.

 

I received mine today. YEAH!

Just a quick turn on and start up so far. Screen looks great, no flaws there! (mine is HD 1920x1080).

I will give it a thorough going over in the next day or two and report back. :thumbsup:


Now to get used to Windows 8, I have a lot of reading to do (Windows 8.1 for Dummies).

 

Yeah, there's so much that has changed in Windows 8.1! :thumbsup: I've been fiddling around with it for days now, and reading stuff on the net when I need to get something working/changed!

 

So, if you're talking about turning the check box on or off (or pressing fn+b), then yes--beats gives way more than it takes away. However, that check box is lying to you--if you fiddle with the sliders, they still modify the sound, and it sounds audibly worse with headphones on.

I found this thread on the HP site where someone put a lot of effort into trying to kill the sound weirdness:
beats audio bugs: can't disable, bass/treble messed up every... - HP Support Forum - 2808815
in the end he uninstalled the whole driver and used the default windows one instead. That isn't really a viable option for this laptop, as it makes the main speakers very very quiet (although headphones sound nicer).

Anyway--if you are cool with how it sounds then don't let me make you paranoid. I just don't like the blending effects that they do (the "center" slider, etc...).

 

I have been following this forum from the beginning and with all of the different problems I saw that was posted,I was starting to worry. I received my 13T-3000 the day before Christmas and have been using it quite a bit for the last few days.I just want to let everyone know that I cannot find any problems that have been reported on this forum. This computer is well built with awesome speed and power and is very quiet. My suggestion is that if any of you are having problems that you are not willing to deal with, send the computer back and get a new one. HP may have tightened their QC in response to the problems that customers are complaining about. As for me, between the Spectre and my iPad air, I do not see me needing any new toys for at least a couple of years.
P.S.
Spend the extra money for the QHD screen and the AC WiFi. You will not regret it. Signal strength and speed over N WiFi card is outstanding. ( Can't wait to get an AC router.)

My 13T-3000__Maxed out, I7, 8 GB of Ram, 256 H.D, QHD screen AC WiFi

 

Hi guys have a couple questions for those that have got it if you wouldn't mind. I'm actually trying to decide between this and a 13 rMBP. So anyways here are my questions:

1. How nice is the keyboard? For those that have ever used a macbook or lenovo thinkpad is its keyboard even in the ballpark? I do a lot of typing so its very important. I have a sandy based dell xps and it had to be one of the worst keyboards i've ever typed on (very mushy with lots of flex).
2. Has their been a general consensus on if the the retina type screen upgrade is worth it on this machine. I mean 1080p is still pretty good on a small screen. Also i've heard problems with windows scaling nicely with these types of resolutions (nothing compared to the mac). I mean its pretty cheap at $70 but if it makes everything look bad because of scaling issues then maybe it isn't worth it.
3. How about the trackpad? Mac of course have awesome trackpads (ive never experienced a windows notebook that wasn't god awful in this end).
4. Anyone know if its possible to replace the ssd in these units or is it sealed pretty tight? I'd possible like to go with a 512GB SSD if i get it. If not its not that big of deal.

Only thing i wish the had (which no windows ultrabook seems to have) is 16GB or RAM.

 

I just got my Spectre 13t-3000 today. So far I LOVE it. I have the 1920x1080 HD screen and on a 13" I cannot image the detail getting much better. After all, the human eye can only see so much (especially since I'm 65 - but I do have good eyesight).

As for the track pad, I haven't used it that much yet, but all of the professional reviews I have read have said that it is very precise and responsive. Same for the touch screen.

Very nice keyboard as well.

I do not think that you will have much luck changing out the SSD card. It is not user accessible (technically) and would probably void the warranty if you did manage to change it out.

Check out this recent review. :thumbsup:

HP Spectre 13 Ultrabook Review - Editors' Choice - LAPTOP

 

HP might update their drivers better than Lenovo, who was good, but I found that Intel and Nvidia (for my current Lenovo) updated more frequently and had several features that weren't available in the OEM drivers. My Spectre hasn't arrived yet (I'm overseas military and the East Coast weather has delayed my parents shipment to me) so I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. I agree that the Recovery utility will probably only re-image with all of HP's stuff. Did HP actually provide an 8.1 key in the box? Like you said, worst case is that I download 8.1 separately, yet use the legitimate key. If not, I wonder if I can call HP and get them to mail me one?

 

1. It's actually very good. Solid aluminum casing means no flex, key travel could be a bit better, but it's definitely not too far off a rMBP, IMO.
2. I have QHD and there are definitely some scaling issues for some programs (ie Chrome) in desktop mode. Windows 8 apps work perfectly though. Given the deluge of >FullHD displays coming out, I'm sure that these issues will be resolved for the majority of your laptop's lifetime. Though I haven't seen the FUll HD spectre screen, I doubt that QHD is that much better than the FullHD. I would guess the difference is equivalent to minimal increase in cost. Up to your preference really.
3. I would say that Apple's trackpad is reasonably better. The touch and sensitivity is good but the palm rejection is not perfect, especially considering the extra width. Overall, it is prone to more errors from my usage compared the rMBP, but it's still a good trackpad.
4. Don't know about SSD. RAM is definitely soldered on.

I would say the rMBP is certainly a better laptop in most ways (except weight and thickness maybe), but the cost difference between a 20% off Spectre (assuming you can still get the discount) and an equivalent rMBP is really substantial (~$300 or more). Definitely something worth thinking about. That and the OS I guess.

Haha 16gb is quite a lot of RAM, unless you are doing heavy photo/video editing.

 

Thanks drukensky excellent synopsis. It sounds like your very familiar with macs in general. Actually i'm a windows developer and run lots of virtual machines. To be honest with you if i could i would go with 32GB . My home pc has that amount. On top of that Visual Studio + Resharper is one of the biggest hogs i've seen. WIth 8GB i'll probably be able to run 1 VM comfortably and 2 uncomfortably. Your probably thinking if your a windows developer then why are you thinking about a mac. Superior hardware. I actually have a 2012 mba and it runs visual studio well for what it is but i definitely need more horsepower.

 

I have a late 2012 macbook air and I had an older 13" macbook pro.
1) The keyboard is quite good! Very comparable to the macbook air. I type a lot (programmer), and I use a mechanical keyboard on my workstation.
2) I have the regular HD screen. Don't see the point in the retina screen. Windows 8.1 has enough problems as is at 1080p, and many menus are already very small at this res on the Spectre 13t.
3) The trackpad is ok. The driver software isn't nearly as good as Macbook Air, but I don't think anyone has matched apple yet in this department. It's just not as forgiving and refined as the Macbook's. For example sometimes a single finger push down click registers as two fingers (right click). This doesn't occur to me on the Apple touchpads. Also sometimes when push clicking, the cursor moves with the finger movement, another feature Apple has polished very well.
4) not sure about ssd.

 

I also agree with drunkensk that the Macbooks are better overall. Better made, more polished software and hardware, and another big point is the aspect ratio on the Macbooks which is taller and gives more vertical real estate which is critical when doing just about anything but especially coding. I've moved my windows taskbar to the left vertical edge to free up more vertical space and that definitely helps.

I'm not dogging the spectre, it's a really nice PC laptop and I think definitely one of the best if not the best bang for the buck at the moment.

 

You can auto-hide the taskbar under properties, which IMO is a better choice than moving it to the left or right edge.

 

can anyone do me a favor and test something for me?

can you record a random video clip with your iphone, then important that clip into Windows Live Movie Maker and try to play it. and tell me if your speakers start producing a static noise, or if everything plays normally? i am assuming i have a lemon (SECOND TIME HP!) but i just want to see if anyone else might have a similar problem on their unit. i recorded video to somewhat demonstrate the problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEZZWBMZbaU

i am also trying to figure out if this is a hardware or software problem. really frustrating because i want to love this spectre. im thinking i should just order another today and return my current one tomorrow - but ill be mad if i have the same problems on a new unit.

 

The autohiding taskbar always seemed to get in my way a bit. Keeping the taskbar always visible gives several benefits that I use all the time - especially seeing the names of windows I have open since I am often switching between several different programs. I'll give it another go though to see if it can grow on me, thanks.

 

That is really bizarre. It sounds like your speakers are severely clipping. I would guess that it's some weird software issue with Movie Maker and HP's Beats audio drivers. You may want to try uninstalling everything Beats related to use Windows' audio drivers and see if the issue persists.

 

OK, I just did this on my Spectre and had no problems. Nothing like what is in your clip. I will say that the same video running through my Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra program looked better and sounded slightly better, than through Windows Live.

I did notice a very slight background hissing through my ear phones to this IPhone clip that I made, but that was absolutely gone when I listened to a cd recording or a Blu-ray movie.

 

Just to report back on what I have found out so far with my Spectre 13t-3000. I have no extraneous noise coming from my speakers using the Beats, just wonderful sound. That is both with and without using the headphones while listening to a Blu-ray movie or a MP3 file from a CD.

I also don't hear any noticeable fan noise, but I haven't done any game playing on it. I do use on a cooling tray so my laptop is setting on a perforated table (of sorts) so air can circulate around the bottom of it. It still gets a little warm though.

So far I am very happy with mine.

 

appreciate you testing it out for me guys. would you mind giving me some instructions on how to install (and reinstall?) the beats stuff? im a complete noob and dont wanna mess anything up

 

I think before you try to uninstall and reinstall the 'Beats' stuff, try a few other things first.

First, why don't you record another short video with your IPHONE (Mine is a iPhone 4s) and try that one more time, to be sure it wasn't just a glitch.

Second, can you try to play some other videos, say from YouTube and see if they do the same thing.

Third, do you have a problem with the speakers when you play an MP3 file?

Just a thought. It may not be the "Beats" software, but then again, you may have to return your laptop and order another one.

There is a 20% discount code that is available right now.


Unfortunately, I can't help you with the uninstall/reinstall but I'm sure some others here might know the answer.

 

Can someone give me a Hardware ID on the screen? You can get it by going into Device Manager > Monitors > Generic PnP Monitor > Properties > Details > Hardware Ids.

Also how low does the minimum brightness setting go? Only ask because I have to have everything on a super low luminance thanks to migraines. And what's the overall brightness like?

Will rep.

 

Before I purchased my Spectre I ran through this comparison and there is a much more significant difference in price.

The Macbook Air configuration that best matches the maxed-out Spectre runs at $1,479 with a student discount.

The Spectre runs at $1147.99 after the %20 discount. But it doesn't stop there. (This is an instant 20% savings on taxes as well, and depending on which state you ship to, this can mean $20-30 less)

- $60 when you add 5% cashback if you go through a cashback website
- $115 if you purchase this laptop with an Amex Open (business) card. (it's even more if you include the tax)

Assuming many people have at least one Amex Open card, the Spectre runs you approx $975. To be clear, this is a solid $500 less than the cost of an equivalent Macbook Air, whichever way you slice it.

To me, in terms of hardware this is a no-brainer. Same specs, [almost] same build quality for $500 less.

I should also state that in my opinion, the choice of OS is becoming less and less relevant for three reasons:

1) Many applications are being taken to the cloud, which means that the operating system on your local machine is not as important. I for one used to do all my typing, forms etc.. on Microsoft Word, today I do it all on Google Docs.

2) Microsoft has significantly beefed up security in the past few years.

3) Designers used to prefer OSX due to its smooth handling of Adobe applications. Today the difference is negligible.

 

I came across this youtube video that shows the high pitch fan noise when under load. Is this the kind of noise you guys have been experiencing as well? It doesn't seem too bad, but I can see how it can be annoying.

 

I have noticed that the fan pitch sometimes oscillates slowly up and own. A little disconcerting. Anyone else notice this?

 

MONITOR\LGD0000

There are 10 levels of brightness accessible from the keyboard. It's very hard for me to get an absolute assessment of how low the lowest level is.

 

Mine says: MONITOR\CMN357

I have the 1920x1080 display

 

So far mine has been very quiet, but I haven't stressed it a lot.

 

for running virtual machines and horsepower, the HP ZBOOK would be the best choice up to 32GB RAM and go cracy with SSD and CPU --> HP ZBook 14 is first Ultrabook mobile workstation | ZDNet

 

I created this account just to post this.

I went to my local Best Buy last night to play around with this machine in person, and within a minute, I was sold. I was choosing between this, Sony's VAIO Pro 13, or Microsoft's Surface Pro 2. Seeing it in person just seals the deal.

I ordered the baseline model, but added in the 5ghz A/C wireless upgrade. After 2 day shipping, tax, and a 20% discount code (PC92229) My total came to $925 with a shipping date of 1/16. Here's to hoping it ships early! I really can't wait.

 

Well for those of us without access to a student discount the MBA is $1549 with the i7 and 8gb.

Also the screen on the MBA is a TN display and is worse than even the 1080p display on the HP for brightness and viewing angles.

 

I'm not sure if this was already mentioned, but I was toggling the power plan options because I was trying to edit a video and Task Manager showed the CPU not going above 1.7GHz. I figured out that if I switch the power plan to Power Saver (which makes the CPU drop to 0.7-0.8GHz), wait a few seconds, then switch to High Performance, the CPU would immediately shoot up to 2.7-2.9GHz. Originally toggling didn't do anything, but then I clicked to go back to the default High Performance settings and now it works all the time to trigger the Turbo mode. Can other people verify that this works on their computers?

 

True, but I was trying to be fair in my comparison. If I am going to list all available discounts for the Spectre, it would be fair to list all available discounts for the MBA. (Last I checked, it's very easy for anyone to get that student discount, as there is no verification required. Frankly, macmall.com's prices reflect the student discount, so I am not quite sure it really is a "discount".)

I just edited my post to include one more point, and that is that since the 20% coupon knocks off 20% of the actual price in the cart, the taxes are automatically 20% less. So right there you are saving yet another $20-$30 (depending on your state).

The MBA does have slightly better graphics, and as others have mentioned, slightly better build quality, but unless you are a die-hard OSX fan, it makes no sense logically to pay the extra $500+ for identical hardware.

 

I think the more interesting comparison is with the 13" rMBP, which is similarly priced to the MBA with 8gb RAM/256gb SSD. I'm actually having a tough time deciding between the rMBP and the Spectre, though I'm leaning towards the Spectre thanks to HP's frequent 20% off coupons.

 

On average, are most people getting their laptop shipped out before the estimated ship date? Can everyone be so kind as to say when their estimated dates and actual dates were?

 

I've had 3 HP laptops shipped out in the last month. Two of mine shipped on the the estimated ship date and one was a few days late.

It really does no good to speculate. You should get notified when it actually ships or you can keep checking on your order every day.

 

I think someone got off the track on this, as the 0P on this topic was comparing the rMBP 13, not the MBA, which ironically, is still much, pricier than the 13t with "discounts" and doesn't compete in any area except maybe weight. As for me, an Apple-hater from way back, I would probably pay up to $200 more for the rMBP 13 due to build quality and resale value. (I Cringe at the thought I would say such a thing, but value my integrity too much to lie!). But I will never use OSX and Macs are just mediocre running Windows. Plus, they're made by Apple - ycch!



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That sounds like my vacuum cleaner haha. My Spectre's fan does NOT sound anything like that under load. It's more just a loader wooshing noise, not high-pitched at all. Ironically what a fan 'should' sound like. But most of the time the fan doesn't run at all, it's dead quite.

 

The equivalent rMBP (which is the middle option) runs at $1399 with the student discount.

The fully loaded Spectre, factored in with all possible discounts and cashback is around $950

The rMBP has the Iris (5200?) graphics which easily beats the HD 4400 graphics on the Spectre. The rMBP is about half a pound heavier.

Overall, it's a difference of about $450.

 

Wow, not quite sure I understand the Apple hate here. I personally use a MBP at home and a PC at work. Frankly, they both bring to the table advantages that the other doesn't have. I consider myself a savvy user, and as such, it really does not make a difference to me, so long as they run fast and don't obstruct my work.

A lot of the work I used to do has now moved to the cloud. I am a web developer and all the software I build is web-based. For that reason, once I open up a browser, it no longer makes a difference if I am using Windows or OSX.

I do use the Adobe suite, and while OSX used to maintain a significant lead in running those applications, today you really can't tell the difference as they both handle it seamlessly. I believe that over time the OS's will really become irrelevant.

In terms of hardware, there is no question that Apple has the edge. Apple's engineers are perfectionists. They would not sell an item if they detected "fan noise", and they wouldn't add more trackpad space "just for kicks". Obviously, HP wouldn't either, but I'd imagine that Apple does more testing and planning. I can't see how HP can obtain that type of perfection when they have so many various laptop models for sale. It appears that the Spectre had a designated team of engineers, but that alone is a limitation that Apple does not have to deal with. Apple can have ALL their (laptop) engineers focused on the MBP because they streamlined all their laptops into a single standard.

That said, at a difference of $500, I'll take the Spectre.

 

I agree with everything you've said. My Apple-hate is at most partially rational and it is entirely the corporation, not the products. I've long believed strongly in corporate social responsibility and a large part of the reason Apple made such obscene profits for the past 7 years was due, in addition to large sales of great products, were due to horrible behavior squeezing Chinese suppliers to price so low and knowingly turned a blind eye to horrific labor treatment, and likewise they forced suppliers to not sell key components to competitors so they would be late to market with competing products or, failing that, they used their immense market power to literally buy up all possible production for as much as a year before competitors got their orders in. I also think that while Jobs - may he rest in peace - was a genius and probably the best corporate CEO in history in terms of performance, he was a ruthless tyrant and he destroyed careers and lambasted hard working talented employees so badly they left in terrible emotional states after giving all to the company. He also failed to reward so many key players with meaningful amounts of stock options while getting the board to feather his own nest, even by illegally backdating his options so that they would be worth more. They also colluded with publishers to raise the price of ebooks until they got hit with antitrust actions. Finally, for a while it seemed like they were going to have a virtual monopoly on mobile devices and that's evil no matter who has it, but they were more obnoxious about it than even Microsoft was in its evilest monopoly days. Jobs was the only CEO I've ever seen bad-mouth competitors publicly, even in presentations.

I feel much better now that Android phones have pretty much reached parity or better and I think it's only a matter of time before tablets do, especially if Google bribes developers enough to create better tablet-designed apps (though I fail to see why a less "gorgeous" app - even one designed for a phone - that has the same functions, should make such a big difference, when Android tablets cost half as much. (Admit that as of last refreshes, iPad's are magnificent and far better hardware and operating software than Android, if far less flexible.)

As far as OSX goes, it's just my feeble brain that has never been able to learn to do OS-type functions on it the way I can with my eyes closed in Windows. That's on me, but it's another reason I don't want a Mac: too frustrating to do simple things I just don't get.

But hey, it's a free country and they do engineer and manufacture great products, if they suit your needs, or if you don't have the patience for the idiosyncracies and occasional operating glitches of Windows and Android.

Whew. Needed to get that out of my system! You asked!

 

Had to start a new post because it's worlds away from my previous diatribe.

As many of you know I have dithered about pulling the trigger on my 13t but had made that decision last week then life intervened and I didn't get it ordered. I hope to do it tomorrow. Brings me to ask for a re-cap and up to the minute take on a couple of configuration questions:

1) Is it worth getting the i7 if I am far from a power user? My only concern is future apps that are written with the assumption of more horsepower that will run slower or hiccup, especially given the low power/low clock speeds of the U-series cpus. I guess it's about $100 since I will of course get the 8GB i5 (why the same cpu costs more with more RAM, I don't get?) Actually, I'm inclined to go with the i7, but wouldn't mind bagging the $100 if most think the i7 is marginally better and only for cpu-heavy apps.

2) Once more, for those with the QHD, can you say with confidence that 1080p and lower res content looks every bit as good either at full QHD resolution or downscaled to 1080p as it would with the native 1080p screen? Also, anyone know if there are significant differences in such things as brightness, contrast, color gamut between the two screens?

3) Can I get a quick primer on these "buying clubs" that kick back as much as $100? Also, can you confirm that I can get both the 20% discount and my educational discount or do I have to forgo the latter to get the former?

4) I don't think there are any other configuration options, are there? I plan to get the three year ADH wtty, as it's so much cheaper than Square Trade, though I trust them far more than HP, lol.

I really want to order tomorrow, so your responses are greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,
Jeff

 

I cant get over that buzzing sound mine makes. Someone posted a youtube video a page back and mine sounds exacly like that. Ive ordered 2 laptops from HP in the past month and to answer someones question each one was shipped out exactly 1 week earlier and got to my house on the "original" shipping date

 

Hey Kiwi_style, I'm in NZ too, just wondering where you bought your Spectre 13? Its damn expensive over here compared to the price people are talking about on here..

 

I bought mine online, but Noel Leeming were selling them on sale for $2399! That's down from RRP$2999 but I think that ended today. Just go to pricespy.co.nz and search spectre 3004 and you'll find a bunch of sites selling them around 2700, that's what I got mine for.

Yep, extremely expensive when you look at what these US guys are paying! But here's the thing - HP NZ won't touch an imported product, the manufacturer's warranty is no good if it's not an NZ product. It's like a parallel imported phone. So it's safer to buy it from here and have a warranty I figure.

 

Excellent post. I must say that I pretty much have exactly the same view on Apple. I can't deny that the products are of great quality and I can tell lots of time was spent carefully engineering them, but I absolutely despise Apple as a company essentially for the reasons you gave here.

 

Back on the electronic buzzing sounds (not fan noise) which gets worse when the screen shuts off, HP Technical Support have posted a reply to my product review here:

Buy HP Spectre 13-3000ea Ultrabook, Intel Core i5, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 13.3" Touch Screen, Brown online at John Lewis

saying that BIOS update sp64661.exe will fix the problem - although the update is described by HP as fixing only an issue to do with a "safe to remove the SD card" message. Another person has posted an alternative fix on the same page.

I no longer have the laptop any more so wondered if anyone else could confirm whether the "SD card removal message" BIOS fix curiously also fixes the electrical buzzing/tapping sounds from under the right of the keyboard. If it does, why doesn't HP properly list the issue on their BIOS update page?

 

The new BIOS does not fix the issue for me. I've been running version F9 (the one mentioned) for 3 weeks and still have the issue. Can you reply to the post? I don't have an account on that website and would rather not register for this one post.

 

1) yes, get the i7. With the 20% discount this is a no-brainer.

2) I can't comment, as I didn't get mine yet. The resolution comes into play when using apps that take advantage of it. Windows 8.1 doesn't fully take advantage of it yet, but it will eventually. I find that when it comes to reading, higher resolution makes it easier on the eye, provided that the settings are right.

3) I am not aware of any education discount with HP. However, if you buy the Spectre with an American Express business card (open) Amex will give you back 10% (if the purchase price is $1k+) as per a deal that they have with HP. This Amex discount is automatic, you don't need to put in any discount codes. Also, if you go to hp.com through a cashback website such as fatwallet.com, you can get 5% cashback.

4) If you buy your computer on an Amex card, Amex will automatically throw in an additional 1 year warranty on top of the manufacturer. I personally don't buy warranties because I am savvy enough to troubleshoot and fix problems that are software related, and I am covered by Amex for hardware related problems. However, if you feel you will need help from HP setting up software etc.. Then that's a different story.

 

I don't recall seeing a product key, but on my older dell, Windows 8 used the hardware to automatically activate itself (OEM key) without me ever having to enter my personal key soo.... idk whether that's common though. You might be able to get HP to send you a key or confirm Windows auto-detecting the OEM key

1. I'd say it wouldn't hurt to get the i7 if you're keeping it for 2+ years. The extra horsepower won't hurt. Loosely speaking, a faster clock means it can get more done, faster and thus, return to idle states faster (part of why some Android OEMs are pushing for higher-clocked processors). That said, if you can swallow the $100, i'd say just bite.
2. I have a QHD and if you get a Native 1080p panel, you'll be fine. Only get the QHD imo if you care about the real-estate. I have a love-hate relationship with my screen. Absolutely gorgeous and I love the real-estate but I hate apps that aren't HiDPI optimized. I ran my machine at 2560x1440 with 125% scaling and am pretty happy (run at 1080p for a while and missed the sharpness). I don't think there are significant differences between the screens besides resolution though, they should both be IPS screens.
3. You'll have to try the discounts together and see. I know some aren't stackable
4. I went with the HP warrany though I hope to never have to use it lol

 

still having a hard time deciding between 2 latest HP products : this spectre 13 t -3000 and HP updated high end detachable ; the spectre 13x2. granted , the detachable has a lower power processor , but being fanless with no moving parts might prevent some of the complaints on this thread regarding fan noise or other buzzing sounds. I don't need processing power, my priorities are mobility and battery life. has anyone chosen between these 2 specific products ? what influenced your final decision ? Both can be customized with nearly identical specs except for the processor .