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    HP Spectre 13T-3000

    Discussion in 'HP' started by theboswell, Oct 19, 2013.

  1. div17

    div17 Newbie

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    Does anyone know if the 2560x1440 screen is IPS? I can't find any specifics online, though I do have a question in to HP about it too. I notice in the service manual that the viewing angles are worse on the 2560x1440 screen compared to the 1920x1080 (170deg vs 178deg). Hmmm.
     
  2. Sunfox

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    The resolution, size, and viewing angle would imply it's an IGZO screen - same as on the Fujitsu Lifebook U904 and also the Asus UX301.
     
  3. kcrusaders1

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    Finally decided to order this ultrabook. I was interested in the 14 inch envy but it doesn't come with full HD. I was also looking at the envy 15 touchsmart but saw reviews about the build quality and poor 1080p screen.

    So I went for this beautiful ultrabook and the all aluminum design. I was worried about price and didn't want to spend 1200 for a laptop but what the hell. Lol. Here's my set up. Made the order last night. After some sleep I wish I would have went all out.


    • Windows 8.1 64
    • 4th generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4200U(1.6GHz,3MB L3 Cache)+Intel(R) HD Graphics(For 4 GB Memory)
    • Onboard 4GB DDR3 System Memory
    • 13.3-inch diagonal Radiance Full HD Infinity LED-backlit Display (1920x1080) Touchscreen
    • 256GB SSD
    • No Additional Office Software
    • Free Upgrade to 1-yr McAfee LiveSafe service(TM)
    • 4 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
    • No Internal DVD or CD Drive
    • Backlit Keyboard
    • Webcam and Microphone
    • 802.11 AC WLAN and Bluetooth(R)
     
  4. mcsey2k1

    mcsey2k1 Notebook Guru

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    Congratulations on your new purchase, you should be happy, Yes, I think at minimum you should have got the CPU that allows you to add the 8GB memory., which is free, kinda of, sort of. But your specs that you picked out should work for you, as long as you are not doing anything memory intense.We all have after thoughts once we order.
     
  5. shubmsp

    shubmsp Notebook Enthusiast

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    Got notice yesterday that my order will be delayed (was Nov 1 with two day shipping). Ugh. New ship date is for Nov 6. hope ti happens. Any other delays from the forum here?
    • Windows 8.1 64
    • 4th generation Intel® Core™ i5-4200U(1.6GHz,3MB L3 Cache)+Intel® HD Graphics(For 8 GB Memory)
    • 13.3-inch diagonal Radiance Full HD Infinity LED-backlit Display (1920x1080) Touchscreen
    • Onboard 8GB DDR3 System Memory
    • 256GB SSD
    • No Additional Office Software
    • Security Software Trial
    • 4 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
    • No Internal DVD or CD Drive
    • Backlit Keyboard
    • Webcam and Microphone
    • 802.11 AC WLAN and Bluetooth®
     
  6. mcsey2k1

    mcsey2k1 Notebook Guru

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    No delays on my end, it is in route from China. Expected delivery date of 11/7. Did you get a tracking number or your laptop simply hasn't left the HP factory?
     
  7. blksnake

    blksnake Notebook Consultant

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    Nope, no tracking number, just a new Estimated ship date ov 11/6. Nuts
     
  9. div17

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    Heard back from HP... They say it is a TN panel. Unfortunately, this casts some doubt about the quality of the screen. Would be great to hear what others find in hands-on use.
     
  10. Sunfox

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    They might be guessing. FWIW TN panels are usually rated at 160 degrees, not 170 degrees, and I'm not aware of anyone making a TN 13.3" 2560x1440 screen... and the ones used in the Kirabook and Asus are definitely IGZO. That's not to say HP couldn't have sourced a cheap TN panel from somewhere in China...
     
  11. taha.h

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    Well,yeah. You are right. But,the MacBook has an amazing webcam,touchpad and a keyboard.
    i just sold it because,i was fedup with the OS. iam a windows user,since i was a kid,so yeah.
    and i was waiting for a laptop to come out with the haswell processors. I've seen an hp laptop with hp's true vision HD cam. their camera's are amazing. they're comparable to the macbook's.
    but,i was wondering how this laptop's camera's gonna be like,cause,it doesnt have the true vision HD listed in its specs.
    other than that,in my opinion,the touchpad is going to be great because,its wide and the control zone and all will be easier to access,without touching the screen and the keypad looks amazing,too.
    im just surprised how,there's no review on it,yet.
     
  12. Digital Dissent

    Digital Dissent Notebook Consultant

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    Does HP offer any form of student discount on their website towards this computer?
     
  13. Sunfox

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    Pretty sure one was mentioned in the last few pages of this thread.

    I'm really starting to lean towards this model as the... least flawed of a seemingly crummy generation of ultrabooks. I just wish I had more of an idea as to HP's build quality, fan noise, heat production, and keyboard quality.
     
  14. Digital Dissent

    Digital Dissent Notebook Consultant

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    Is there any tax charged at the HP online store in the USA?
     
  15. Sunfox

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    Depends where you ship to. If HP has a presence in the state, then yes.
     
  16. mikeynavy1

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    Has anyone received theirs yet and can comment on the battery life? This sounds like a great ultrabook. My only concern is that for all the power this thing has, is a 4-cell battery enough to provide a good battery life?
     
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    Mine was supposed to ship today, but I haven't seen any notifications yet. I ordered on 10/17, so I really hope to get a tracking number soon. I'll be a bit upset if they delay it too much.

    As far as battery life is concerned, it may be only a 4 cell battery but from what I've found, nearly every 4 cell battery is still 50whr which is pretty darn good, though I wish they had a little more capacity to help combat battery wear. My current Asus is a thin and light ul30vt with a ridiculous 8 cell, 84whr battery, so it'll be nice to compare and see if Haswell is as awesome as I've read about. From what I can tell, most other manufactures are using similar capacity batteries for their ultrabooks too.
     
  18. josetheman37

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    Yes they do. I created an account with my email from my college and they give you 4% on this laptop . Use coupon code SV3819 to get an additional $10 off. I have heard that if you call, they give you even bigger discounts.

    I think that the price on this notebook is great, but it bothers me that it doesn't have an IPS screen. I'm thinking about getting the HP spectre split X2, which has an IPS 1920x1080 FHD Display and 12hrs battery life. The only downside is that you are stuck with 4gigs of ram and 128GB SSD, which is actually fine for me for what I need.
     
  19. hack6500

    hack6500 Notebook Enthusiast

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    What a pile of dung...

    > Due to an unplanned delay in the production process, we will be unable to ship your customized order as originally planned today, 11/4/2013.
    > We now expect to complete your order on or before a revised ship date of 11/11/2013.

    Not making this customer too happy to shell out cash as an early adopter. So much for a early ship date!
     
  20. Sunfox

    Sunfox Notebook Deity

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    Hmm, the service manual for this is quite interesting. I've copied the specs (sorry for formatting but not much I can do).

    Product Name
    HP Spectre 13 Ultrabook

    Processors
    ● Intel Quad Core i7-4500U 1.80-GHz processor (turbo up to 3.00-GHz; 1600-MHz FSB, 4.0-MB cache, dual core, 15 W; configured with 8-GB RAM only)
    ● Intel® Quad Core® i5-4200U 1.60-GHz processor (turbo up to 2.60-GHz; 1600-MHz FSB, 3.0-MB cache, dual core. 15 W)

    Note: Clearly a typo on "quad core".

    Chipset
    Intel Lynx Point - LP PCH (Integrated in MCP)

    Graphics
    Intel HD Graphics 4400
    Supports HD Decode, DX11, and HDMI

    Panel
    Flush glass design, touchscreen, multitouch enabled, 340 nits
    ● (33.8-cm) 13.3-in display, WLED, full-high definition (FHD) (1920x1080), BrightView, 2.85-mm, UWVA (eDP 1.2) at 72% Color Gamut
    ● (33.8-cm) 13.3-in display, WLED, Quad High Definition (QHD) (2560x1440), BrightView, 2.55-mm, UWVA (eDP1.3+PSR) at 72% Color Gamut

    More screen specs lower down.

    Memory
    No customer-accessible/upgradable memory module slots
    DDR3L-1600-MHz dual channel support
    Supports up to 8 GB of system RAM integrated into the system board in the following options:
    ● 8192-MB
    ● 4096-MB

    Dual channel? An unexpected surprise...

    Solid-state drive
    Single M.2 SSD Configuration as storage
    Supports the following SSDs:
    ● 512-GB
    ● 256-GB
    ● 128-GB

    Okay then, where's the 512GB option for ordering?

    Audio and video
    Dual speakers
    Beats Audio
    Supports Microsoft Premium Requirements

    Webcam and Microphone
    HP TrueVision Full HD: Full HD camera - Fixed (no tilt) + activity LED, 1PC, USB 2.0, M-JPEG, 1920x1080 by 30 frames per second
    Dual array digital microphones with software; beam forming, echo cancellation, noise suppression; supports voice recognition

    Seriously? A full HD webcam in an Ultrabook? That's very unique on the market...

    Wireless
    Integrated Wireless options with dual antennas (NGFF/PCIe)
    Intel WiDi support
    Miracast support
    ● Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 802.11 AC 2x2 WiFi + BT 4.0 Combo Adapter (except Indonesia, Russia, and Ukraine)
    ● Intel Wireless 7260BN 802.11 bgn 2x2 WiFi + BT 4.0 Combo Adapter (default for Indonesia, Russia, and Ukraine)

    External expansion cards
    HP Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    Supports SD/SDHC/SDXC
    Push-push insertion/removal

    Internal expansion cards
    One NGFF slot (2230) for WLAN
    One NGFF slot (2280) for SSD

    Ports
    Headphone output and microphone input combo jack (stereo)
    One mini Display Port supporting 2560x1600 max. 3200x2000 @ 60 Hz resolution
    Supports HP USB Boost (Sleep and Charge) on both ports
    AC Smart Pin adapter plug
    USB 3.0 ports (2)
    HDMI v1.4b supporting: up to 1920x1200 @ 60Hz

    Keyboard/pointing devices
    Full-size, backlit, island-style keyboard (Dura-coat, champagne gold color)
    Touchpad: default on, 2-finger scroll, pinch, rotate, 2-finger click, 3-finger flick
    ● ClickPad with imaging sensor
    ● Multitouch gestures enabled
    ● Supports Windows 8 modern trackpad gestures
    ● Taps enabled as default

    Power requirements
    Supports 45W Smart Adapter (4.5mm barrel connector)
    1.8 M length AC and DC power cords
    4 cell battery, 51 WHr

    Security
    Intel AT-p Ready support
    Kensington Security Lock
    Trust Platfom Module (TPM) support

    Operating system
    Windows 8.1

    Serviceability
    End user replaceable part:
    ● AC adapter

    13.3-inch FHD display specifications
    Resolution: 1920x1080
    Number of colors: 16,777,216
    Contrast ratio: 700:1 (typical)
    Brightness: 340 nits (typical)
    Pixel resolution:
    - Pitch: 0.1529 (H) x 0.1529 (V) mm
    - Format: FHD (1920 x 1080)
    - Configuration: RGB vertical stripe
    Backlight: LED
    Total power consumption: Total 6.10 W(Max.) @ cell 1.15W(Max.), BL 4.95 W(Max.)
    Viewing angle 89° horizontal, 89° vertical (typical)

    13.3-inch QHD display specifications
    Resolution: 2560x1440
    Number of colors: 16,777,216
    Contrast ratio: 700:1 (typical)
    Brightness: 340 nits (typical)
    Pixel resolution
    - Pitch: 0.1146 (H) x 0.1146 (V) mm
    - Format: QHD (2560 x 1440)
    - Configuration: RGB vertical stripe
    - Backlight: LED
    Total power consumption: Total 6.10 W(Max.) @ cell 1.15W(Max.), BL 4.95 W(Max.)
    Viewing angle: 85° horizontal, 85° vertical (typical)


    Other interesting stuff:

    * Based on the screen specs, the FHD screen is IPS (178 degree viewing angle is *not* TN) and the QHD is IGZO (170 degree viewing angle is appropriate for that, but TN is usually rated at 160 degrees)
    * There is an ambient light sensor.
    * Status LEDs for power, caps lock, mute, WiFi, webcam, plus an AC adapter light next to the power port
    * Speakers on bottom left and right sides.
    * Cooling vents in the strip along the back of the bottom.
    * There are actually different hardware system boards depending on which operating system is used (Non-Windows 8, Windows 8 Standard, Windows 8 Pro)
    * 4 screws are hidden under the rubber feet
    * Detailed instructions / steps necessary are provided for replacing pretty much every single item, which seems excellent for future serviceability.
    * The manual has entirely wrong product dimensions (14.72" x 9.86" x 1.34-1.42" versus published dimensions of 12.75" x 8.66" x 0.59"... and their metric conversion is way off; 1.5cm is NOT 1.42 inches!)
     
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  21. mcsey2k1

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    Nice Find!! Thanks for posting the specs! :thumbsup:

    Sorry to hear! I hope it does get shipped earlier! Call and complain and threaten to cancel and I am 100% sure they will take money off. I still have an expected date of Thursday,11/7 and looking at the FedEx activity it is on it way to the USA, but I have a feeling that I will not get mine on Thursday!
     
  22. kcrusaders1

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    Great find Sunfox.

    I wish hp were a bit more thorough in the detailing of their notebooks, such as screen type and so forth because it's painfully obvious that their customer service reps don't know much about such information lol.
     
  23. shubmsp

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    that's for sure. I'm anxiously awaiting the first review, so whoever gets theirs first, send us your thoughts!
     
  24. Foj

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    Hello. I am based in the UK, and as usual it’s “any colour you want as long as it’s black”.

    The take-it-or-leave-it option however seems quite well spec’d - Oh, & delivery for the end of November.

    13.3" Radiance FHD LED backlit (1920 x 1080) touch.
    Intel® Core™ i5-4200U (1.6 GHz, 3 MB cache, 2 cores).
    8 GB DDR3L SDRAM (on board).
    256 GB SSD.
    Front-facing HP TrueVision FHD webcam.
    4-cell Li-Ion polymer battery.
    Wireless: Intel 802.11ac (2x2) Bluetooth WiDi support.


    I am hoping that some of you folks who have looked in to this will be able to offer some advice,

    • Will the Radiance screen be the same 340 nits, IPS one in the service manual?

    • & in theory will this screen give a good gamut for PhotoShop work? Any opinions appreciated!

    • Will the i5, 4400 graphics & 8 GB ram be powerful enough to use Photoshop and run/test Unity builds - do some light-use Unity development, 3Ds Max & Zbrush modelling (I understand not much will make make use of the i7 anyway).

    • I have been told, maybe even read, that the battery will last 8-10 hours in 'real-world' use, any thoughts (guess the small screen and processor help - although the QHD IGZO should produce loads of savings (shame the smaller screen is not IGZO)).

    • Anyone know how good the wireless is?


    The alternatives I have been looking at are the Dell 13 XPS, a fully spec'd Lenovo U430 Touch or Fujitsu Lifebook U904 - but none of these (especially in any reasonable configuration) look like being sold here any day soon. I've been waiting to buy a Haswell since June.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  25. jake1110

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    I'm delayed too. Instead of shipping on the 4th, it will now be the 11th. They offered a 10% off coupon for the home store, which I’ll never use but I noticed I could apply it to this laptop.

    Rather than going through the hassle of cancelling, reordering and getting my discount I’d rather just sell it. I’m going to see if they can just apply this to my current order, but I doubt it.

    Not sure if it’s against forum rules, but I’d gladly sell this for $30 if anyone is interested :) This would easily get you $120 - $135 off most configurations with options attached.

    I'm sure everybody else is receiving these coupons too, just putting it out there. Not really wanting to go through cancellation, re-ordering then waiting until after the Thanksgiving holiday, likely into December time frame...
     
  26. Sunfox

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    I'd certainly love a 10% coupon, though there's already 5% readily available so its theoretical value is 5%. :)

    Hope you get yours soon! The 11th isn't far off now.
     
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    Acording to this HP blog the higher resolution screen is an IPS panel.

    Fingers-crossed...
     
  28. mcsey2k1

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    Well it would appear that my Spectre will definitely be here tomorrow 11/7. Looking at the FedEx logs, it is my local Regional FedEx Hub which is about 45 minutes away from me. There is a possibility they may even attempt to deliver it today, fingers crossed.

    I will keep everyone posted when it comes!
     
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    Nice! Wish I would have pulled the trigger on Oct 16th instead! I called up since I ordered on the 17th and they delayed me until November 11th. Since I used the 5% off promotion, they gave me the difference between that and $100, so I'm being credited another $37.50 and was told I could still use my 10% off on a future order.

    Can't wait to hear more about it! Given the detailed specs that were posted online, it seems I'm going to be very satisfied with this ultrabook though, hence why I didn't end up cancelling.
     
  30. mcsey2k1

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    Well, any little bit you can get off helps! Well I actually ordered mine on the 17th. I configured it and put in my cart on the 16th and went to sleep. I woke up the next day (17th) around 10AM EST and placed the order. So I technically should've been in the same boat as you being that I placed my order on the 17th, but maybe the fact that I saved it in my cart on the 16th may have something to do with why I getting it w/o delays.

    I got some good news and some bad news. The good news is my Spectre is on the FedEx truck and expected delivery today. The bad news, I got the FLU and feeling awful so I will not get to play with it as much, if at all :mad:. But if I do I will try to write some report, even if it is brief.

    It is officially here! I will try to get something to you guys tonight/tomorrow. If there are any specific questions, please let me know. Please see my specs in the previous post. I can't promise I will get back to you guys immediately, given I have the FLU.

    Thanks,
     
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    Congrats! I'd love to hear your impression on the screen, especially since there is some controversy about what kind of screen it has. Also, how does the trackpad feel? I have an older HP and detest the trackpad on it... I'm hoping this one is better.
     
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    How is having such a large trackpad? Do you find your hands tap them to mess up typing (or do you hold your hands above the trackpad?

    I am having an issue with my old dell. I keep taping the trackpad while typing & that trackpad is much smaller than the Spectre.
     
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    I got my Spectre today as well. Here are my first thoughts on your guys questions:

    The extra large trackpad looks wonderful. However, I hate Windows 8 and I have tried to make it like Windows 7 as much as possible. Therefore, I've disabled all the charmbars on the sides of the screen so the two bars on each side of the trackpad don't pertain to me.

    The screen resolution is wonderful, but I had to lower it down to 16:9. If I maxed out the resolution, you can use the magnifier settings to increase how items look on the screen, but then when I go into Adobe Photoshop, Dreamweaver, etc. everything was way too small. The magnifier works for your desktop, internet browser, etc. It can only be used to a certain extent.

    The build quality of the ultrabook is very nice. The metal makes it feel like a Mac (even though I hate Apple). 1 thing I noticed is it kind of slides a little on my lap since it's metal. Not too big of a deal though.

    The screen is also HIGHLY reflective. So sitting in the living room upstairs while setting up the laptop showed a mirror of myself on the black screen. I had this problem on my last ultrabook, and I'm not too worried since I sit mostly downstairs with it, or I'm at work which is not naturally lit by the sun.

    What else do you guys want to know? I don't work Thursday or Friday, so I'm all yours :)
     
  34. div17

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    Did you try setting the font scaling for Windows (e.g., 150% or 200%) or were you using the "magnifier" tool (accessibility feature)?

    How are the viewing angles? Any color shifting if you tilt the screen? Does it seem like a TN panel or something better?

    Does the trackpad interfere with typing if your palms are brushing against it? Compared to other trackpads you've used, how does its feel/responsiveness compare?

    Thanks for any additional insight!
     
  35. Sunfox

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    Beyond what's been asked, I think my biggest concern is the keyboard. Any impressions on key travel and overall tactile response? Are you a touch typist?

    My second biggest concern would be fan noise. How loud is it during normal use (is it steady, cycling on and off, etc.)... and when it is on, is the tone whining or low and even?

    Other interests would be audio quality (my current Sony Z11 has what I can only describe as the worst speakers I've ever had in a laptop), the surface feel of the trackpad (grippy? smooth? soft? hard?) and overall build quality - how solid, how much flexing/bending and so forth.
     
  36. PowerMan572

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    Attached is a screenshot of the settings I was adjusting when I had the resolution maxed out. No matter how far I dragged the bar to the right, other programs (like I mentioned, Photoshop and Dreamweaver) tend to be extremely tiny no matter what, which is why I needed to change to 16:9.

    Viewing angles are good. I turned the laptop from left to right and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. To me, the screen does not look like TN. It's so bright, crisp and clear. When I think of TN, I think of grainy/cloudy screens. The screen is clear on all parts of the screen, whether you're looking in the center or the corner of the screen.

    Trackpad has not interfered with typing whatsoever. I typed this whole post without any problems :) The trackpad is smooth as my last ultrabook. I LOVE that I can put down 2 fingers and it considers it a right-click. The 2-finger scroll also works great! Nice and smooth.

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  37. mcsey2k1

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    Well here is my 1st impression of my new laptop:

    * The presentation of packaging is always excellent with their Envy and Spectre line. This Spectre is no exception. The power adapter matches the brown aluminum on the laptop.
    *The build quality is awesome, it feel very, very good in your hands. Definitely a Macbook Air Feel, which as I mentioned in a previous post, is not a bad thing.It also reminds me of the Asus UX31A
    * The screen is awesome, colors pop and the viewing angles are excellent. I can't say with certainty, but this is not a TN screen. (FYI I have the qHD). The screen can be bit a bit reflective, but not overly. Now, the screen could be a bit brighter, however. (340 nits is good enough) I am spoiled because I am coming from the last gen MacBook Pro 17
    * The trackpad is awesome for Windows 8, I haven't touched my screen since I received it. The two left and right zones doesn't interfere with my normal routine, IMO. If I was using Win7 then I would disable the two zones. (maybe my opinion will change on the trackpad as I grow accustom to it, but for now, for me, it sweet) FYI: This is my 1st Win 8 PC as I am a big Win 7 fan and I have been holding off in adapting to Win 8.
    * The keyboard feel is good and solid, not too much flex. I have to get use to the key lay out because for the last 10 years I have always used 17"/18" laptops.
    * The system is very responsive, not lag whatsoever. As you may or may not know, in Win 8 there is no more "Windows Experience Index (WEI)". However, you can still use the non-GUI version; winsat.exe as this was WEI underlying application. In any event, my score are as follows: CPU 7.4, MEM 7.9, Disk 8.1, GPU Video Encoding 7.3, GPU Gaming 5.9
    * The laptop is quiet and when the fan does come one, it not loud at all.
    * I am happy I got the best processor and the 8GB memory as it is snappy. However, I am afraid that when I get back into my photography and video editing, it may not be enough power.

    Those are my pros...here are my cons thus far:

    * The keys are silver and the numbers/letters are white so when you use turn on the backlit keyboard the numbers/letters doesn't stand out as much. It would have much better if the keys were black. I was never fond of the silver/white keyboard. With this said, the backlit keyboard does help. This is only a con in the dark/dim lit room, in a well lit room and turning off the backlight makes it a non issue.
    * The power adapter keeps sliding out of the side of the laptop, not easily, however.
    * I wish the Screen was a bit brighter, 400nit would have been idea. however, with all of the pluses of the screen, I can overlook this.

    Well that my quick take. My favorite features is the, build, screen and the trackpad. I am heading to bed as I mentioned I have the FLU, but I had that itch to open it up and report something to you guys before I relax. You got questions, I may have answers.

    Just a quick background about me, I'm a Huge tech head and currently a Sr. Network Engineer. I have been into computers since i286/386/486 CPUs and had all of the Alienware M17x/R1/R2/R3/R4 and the Alienware M18x R1/R2 and of course the last gen MacBook Pro 17. I am not a gamer at all. I just love technology.
     
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    Keyboard is nice. I like the pressure of the keys and the clicking. I type 80+ words per minute and you have nothing to worry about for the keyboard. It's a fullscale keyboard.

    Fan noise is good. This is one thing that always bothered me since I had a Sony YEARS ago where the fan would kick off and on every 20 seconds. This is my 2nd HP Ultrabook and again, I'm happy to say HP has done a nice job with the fan noise :) When I was installing all my programs, it kicked in and it was hardly noticeable. Now that I'm just browsing the Internet, blogging, etc. the fan is off (or I don't notice it :D )

    Audio quality I love on HPs that have Beats Audio. If you've ever heard an HP with Beats Audio, it's what you'd expect.

    The trackpad surface is smooth. You can click on the trackpad on the bottom for your right-click and left-click. However, I don't use the buttons :) I like tapping with my fingers much better as it saves time.

    Yes, I noticed these 2 things as well. The backlit bothers me as my last HP ultrabook had the black keys with the white letters. MUCH BETTER! Too bad HP didn't do that with this ultrabook :-(
     
  39. Sunfox

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    Thanks for all the info so far!

    Sounds like we might have a couple "old school" guys in here. My first PC was a 286 bought when I was a kid, and I still build my own high-end desktops. But I also use my laptop a whole ton every day and I've been kind of miffed by the current crop of 13-14" models - a size I prefer since I actually do use it on my lap and a 15.6" is just too much bulk for comfort.

    I'm still undecided on the screen - my current 13.1" is 1600x900 which is about the maximum my eyes want for that size, so I know 1080p will be too much - and I've been thinking if I'm going to go too high, I might as well go all the way too high and maybe I'll have a bit more flexibility at running alternate resolutions. I actually think 3200x1800 is perfect since it's exactly double 1600x900 meaning scaling will be perfect, but after the color problems and odd subpixel arrangement of the pentile screens that support that resolution (Lenovo Y2P, Samsung Book 9 Plus), I'm avoiding them like the plague.
     
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    I'm a young System Engineer myself, but just three years in, lol! These three things are of the most importance to me for sure. Considering you constantly use the three features(well, in a way you're using the build of the laptop all the time), it's nice to see they didn't "cheap out" on the most important qualities.

    I'm a tech head myself, but don't have nearly the background as you! Glad to see it meets your approval though. I'm very excited I took the plunge now, which was difficult without any reviews.
     
  41. mcsey2k1

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    I agree with you Powerman572, the black keys would have been perfect. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and views with this community. forum. :thumbsup:

    Yes, it meet my approval and HP did awesome job. You should have no regrets, especially if you can get some additional money off. I have a external Blu-Ray player that I will be hooking up to really test the screen. Lots of luck in your IT career, there is no other career like it....at least that what I tell myself until I am up at 3AM trying to get the network back online :chatterbox:
     
  42. The Muffin Man

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    I have a few questions, if you guys get the chance:

    1.) What are the (cold) boot-up and shutdown times?

    2.) How much empty memory is left on your HD (and what size do you have), and could you indicate what's eating up the portion pre-allocated by HP?

    3.) On the HP website, they offer a 65w and 90w adapter as accessories. Which type came the laptop?

    4.) What's battery life like on a total blowout (high everything) and a conservative plan (50% everything)?

    5.) What's wireless like? Any interference with the 2.4Ghz band being using by a wireless mouse, keyboard, etc.? Any slowdown from room-to-room? The Dell XPS 14 and 15 had issues with aluminum bodies from 2012 -- I'm hoping HP doesn't have those same challenges.

    I have a feeling no professional reviews will be as forthcoming as you guys, so as I said, if you get the chance... I thank you.
     
  43. Konstantin Ivanov

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    Hello fellows!
    I asked hp support if the display is IPS:
    "Unfortunately, it's not IPS. I am sorry. But we offer the 13.3-inch diagonal Vivid QHD Infinity LED-backlit Display (2560x1440) Touchscreen. This will certainly provide high quality viewing."

    Can you check noise and temperature level under high load, i.e. some game?
     
  44. mcsey2k1

    mcsey2k1 Notebook Guru

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    1 -Boot up /Shutdown Times: 19sec/7secs
    2 - I have a 256GB Hard and it was formatted to 215GB and after Windows 8 and HP installs I currently have 183GB Free, 32GB Used.
    3 - A 45W adapter came with mine
    4 - The battery metrics may take a while to get. I know time will not permit me to and beside I generally keep mine plugged in
    5 - Wireless connectivity is very strong. I always use the 5GHz as it has less interference. I live in a 3 story townhouse and get excellent connectivity to from every spot in my house. I have the Cisco/Linksys EA6700 Router; it is a 802.11AC and speeds are excellent. Then again my 802.11N speed are more then enough. Newer Wireless technologies are much better design to combat interference, such as beamforming technology.

    Well I hope this help. Perhaps others will chime in to add some additional information.
     
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    Great feedback. Sounds like a fantastic machine. Are you able to use the QHD display at native resolution, or is it just too tiny? I've seen 1920x1080 in person and it looks fine for me. I've seen 3200x1800 in person and it is too small for me. The 2560x1440 splits the difference, so I'm very tempted to give it a shot. It would just be a shame to have to run it at lower-than-native resolution.
     
  46. mcsey2k1

    mcsey2k1 Notebook Guru

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    Thanks! The native resolution is fine actually, not too small and not large. The FHD is a little large for a 13.3, but playing with the text size you can make it work. I normally wear my glasses anyway. All of this is subjective anyway, so go to your local BestBuy and and try out the sizes and see what works for you.
     
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    Awesome! Thank you so much.

    And just to clarify, it came with 215GB out of the box and then you added 32GB of your own stuff, or was it really 183GB out of the box?
     
  48. Sunfox

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    No, pretty sure 215-183=32...

    Begin witn 256gb
    Adjust HD manufacturer "1gb = 1000000000 bytes" to Windows "1gb = 1073741824 bytes" = 238gb
    Subtract 23gb for Windows recovery partition = 215gb
    Subtract 20gb for Windows installation = 195gb
    Subtract 8gb for hibernation file = 187gb
    Toss in 4gb of applications = 183gb

    Note that these numbers are just my guesses. I have no idea how big the recovery partion might be. Another thought - less "honest" SSDs will often say a number like 256gb, but in reality the usable space is more llike 240gb due to them counting reserved areas.
     
  49. ali007

    ali007 Newbie

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    I am in a bit of dilemma.

    I am in the market for an ultrabook for my future wife. I think this is the ideal machine. I am getting married this month.

    Is there any way you guys can think of where I can get the laptop by Nov 22nd? :confused:
     
  50. Piafinho

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    So, none of you guys want to be the first to post a real user video on Youtube? ;)
    Some pages before Sunfox mentioned that the 1440P would match the view angles of an IGZO. Maybe that is why HP is not saying that one is IPS. So the 1080P could still be an IPS one.

    Some questions to you luck owners :)
    1) Flexibity - Does it bent if you press a bit harder? Vaio Pro bents too much
    2) Hard Disk benchmark - can you run a benchmark on your hard disk? Like AS SSD benchmark?
    3) View angle - How does the screen looks when looking from the top? At about what angle does it start to be difficult to read the content on this web page?
    4) Battery - Can you run a battery bar program and confirm the size of the battery?
    5) Any chance to collect some examples on the normal discharge rate in conditions like:
    - IDLE, No WIFI /No Bluetooth brightness to minimum
    - IDLE, No WIFI /No Bluetooth brightness to 40%
    - IDLE, WIFI and Bluetooth ON and brightness to 40%

    Powerman572: Do you also have the 2560x1440 or have the 1080P?
     
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