Why does it say "OLED backlit"? Surely there should be no backlighting??
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I'm interested in getting the 1080p resolution screen for maximum battery life. How does reading a PDF on the screen compare to reading one on an iPad? To expand further on that, how is the experience as a whole for using this for reading PDFs, taking into account screen size, resolution, weight, ergonomics, and available PDF readers? Thanks to anyone who can offer insight on this!
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- in tablet mode, reading with the x360 in one hand is not an option -- it needs to be on a supporting surface like your lap+pillow or a table top
- my eyes are crappy (I'm 20/400 uncorrected) but I can generally read a PDF (i.e., journal articles) in portrait orientation without zooming
- commenting is tricky -- I find I can't use the Dell active stylus for written comments; HOWEVER it is super for highlighting and otherwise marking PDF text
- I love reading PDFs with a touchscreen, very easy to navigate, zoom in/out, etc.
I can't compare to working on an iPad (*gasp* I've never used one!!!). But I suspect the overall iPad experience on a full size tablet is better (since it's a dedicated device). The happiness and joy I derive from owning the x360 (which I NEVER thought I would ever say about an HP product!) is that it is so good at being a PC, tablet, and media-consumption device (i.e., in presentation mode). Owning one thing that does three things well is well worth the price of admission for me.
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I have in private a Spectre and at work a surface pro 3 which has ipad comparable DPI.
Yes, 1080p is not crisp, crisp like the surface but if you don't have the units next to each other you won't feel disappointed.
Especially reading PDF's is fine. really small/thin fonts are the only "problem" where you will miss the higher DPI.
Overall, die Spectre is by far the best Laptop I have ever owned. Even my Tablet (8inch LG Gpad) is not in use anymore because I simply don't need it anymore. Windows is far superior than Android/IOS.
I paid around 900€ for my I7 Spectre which is simply great compared to the competitors which are far more expensive. Yes the surfacebook is nice but TWICE as expensive...hmscott and gadgetrants like this. -
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Yes it's comparable when I saw it in the store. Battery life will be weaker for sure.
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Well, the QHD display gives noticeably sharper text, for sure, but whether it actually helps in legibility is another question. I think probably if the text is small enough for the QHD to make the difference between legible or not, then the text would be too small to read anyway.
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Especially on the sofa or lying in bed I think the convertible design is even superior compared to a tablet.
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@mklasse makes a really good point that I want to elaborate on: using the x360 in tablet mode as something like an e-reader is an OK experience. In that case I tend to put it instead in presentation mode, in other words, the same way I would watch a video on it.
On the other hand, when I'm reading material (in my case PDFs) that I need to frequently interact with (e.g., document mark-up), then I prefer sitting on a couch with the machine in tablet mode while it rests on my lap/pillow.
The point (probably obvious) is that presentation mode makes sense when you don't need to touch/poke the screen (because doing so in this mode causes screen bobble). And when you do need to interact with the screen, tablet mode (with support) is better. For me, anyway.
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So most of y'all feel like the battery life is above average? After returning my XPS 13, I still have yet to make a choice on what to try next. This, Samsung Notebook 9, Samsung Notebook 9 Spin and the Asus UX303UB are what's on my radar at the moment.
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Going off the above question, what are people's experiences with battery life in the following 3 configurations?
i5 with FHD screen (this seems to be what most reviewers are using)
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@ericc: If you think that the Dell XPS 13 has poor battery life then I think that all of the choices you have listed and the Spectre will disappoint you. The XPS 13 has class leading battery life (second only to the MacBook).
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Last year, there was quite a bit of discussion on the HP forums about battery life (though, admittedly, much less concern on our forum here).
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebo...stions/Spectre-x360-Battery-Life/td-p/4939650
From all the discussion I ended up unconvinced that people were seeing widely varying battery life estimates due to widely varying usage patterns -- instead, it looks more to me like it's due to plain old manufacturing variation. Some get good batteries and some don't. Personally, I came out on the "meh" side.
FWIW I also found a useful HP page for calibrating the battery. Though, TBH HWInfo is telling me that I have something like 3% wear in almost a year, so I probably won't run any calibration tests!
http://support.hp.com/in-en/document/c03325217
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Skylake i7-6500U with FHD here.
Based upon Batterybar's statistical model I average around 8:30 hours. This is with around 30% brightness, wifi on and using MS Edge browser for battery life.
According to Powercfg;
- My longest ever runtime was 12:10 (I can recall this - it was mostly flight mode on and watching local media).
- My shortest ever runtime was 4:55 (This was during a particularly intense flight where I was editing photos using lightroom)
Finally (and ironically), I find that this forum is an absolute battery killer - all the javascript and ads consumes a crazy amount of CPU.
@gadgetrants: Try running powercfg/batteryreport in an admin console. Then open up the battery report. You might be surprised at the degradation of your capacity over time - for whatever reason, this battery doesn't report all battery degradation as battery wear. There might be some secret algorithm in the background where that capacity is not actually lost but the batters not charging to full capacity to save itself. -
Skylake i7-6500U with FHD here.
Based upon Batterybar's statistical model I average around 8:30 hours. This is with around 30% brightness, wifi on and using MS Edge browser for battery life.
According to Powercfg;
- My longest ever runtime was 12:10 (I can recall this - it was mostly flight mode on and watching local media).
- My shortest ever runtime was 4:55 (This was during a particularly intense flight where I was editing photos using lightroom)
Finally (and ironically), I find that this forum is an absolute battery killer - all the javascript and ads consumes a crazy amount of CPU.
@gadgetrants: Try running powercfg/batteryreport in an admin console. Then open up the battery report. You might be surprised at the degradation of your capacity over time - for whatever reason, this battery doesn't report all battery degradation as battery wear. There might be some secret algorithm in the background where that capacity is not actually lost but the batters not charging to full capacity to save itself. -
Skylake i7-6500U with FHD here.
Based upon Batterybar's statistical model I average around 8:30 hours. This is with around 30% brightness, wifi on and using MS Edge browser for battery life.
According to Powercfg;
- My longest ever runtime was 12:10 (I can recall this - it was mostly flight mode on and watching local media).
- My shortest ever runtime was 4:55 (This was during a particularly intense flight where I was editing photos using lightroom)
Finally (and ironically), I find that this forum is an absolute battery killer - all the javascript and ads consumes a crazy amount of CPU.
@gadgetrants: Try running powercfg/batteryreport in an admin console. Then open up the battery report. You might be surprised at the degradation of your capacity over time - for whatever reason, this battery doesn't report all battery degradation as battery wear. There might be some secret algorithm in the background where that capacity is not actually lost but the battery is not charging to full capacity to save itself. -
First, I tend to run my machines 24/7 unlike many people. Historically I've had excellent battery life on my laptops. However, the last (Samsung NP700Z5C) didn't fare so well, and over about 2.5 years of ownership I lost around 25% of estimated capacity.
Second and more importantly, I learned a painful (though important lesson) with the Samsung: near the end of the time I owned it, several different apps (HWMonitor in particular) were estimating very low wear, in the single digits. So I naively ran the system calibration tool, and "suddenly" the rated capacity dropped like a rock. I had thought up until then that I had something like 3% wear, but after recalibrating (which of course sharply "reduced" the true total capacity) it revised to 25%. Hence my comment posted above about keeping my head buried in the sand and avoiding the discovery that instead of 4% wear, battery calibration reveals that actual number is more like 15% or 20%. (Perhaps this is just restating what you said -- if so, forgive me!)
Oh, one final thought: after my experience with the Samsung, I started to give so-called "80% charge apps" a little more serious thought. But with the x360 I keep a close eye on how it charges, and it seems to trickle-charge (or more accurately, modulate charge) in the high 90s very reliably. That's good enough for me. Plus the fact that since I've owned it over the last year I've averaged a rock-solid 6.5 hours (estimated through powercfg of course!). So whether or not I'm losing capacity, naked eye performance has held steady.
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Used to have the i7 qHD 512 last year's model.
I averaged 4.5-5 hours. I got this consistently as I was fond of timing it using my chrono. After about 2 months I got tired since it really became "the" reading that I always get.
This was with 2 personal emails, 2 office emails, onedrive for business and onedrive all actively syncing in the background (my email client is Outlook). I also always had IE11 open and groove for music, and for the most part MS Office products (onenote included) along with MS Project. Typical corporate usage. It bothered me for a while since all the major reviews (lisa's mobiletech review for instance) got between 8-10 hours but the longest I got was just a short of 7 hours (see below). I just chalked it up to reviewers not having a real life/job hence the far fetched (to me atleast) readings. I kid this is just me sour graping.
My longest was 6.95 hours- that was without internet and just music playback with screen time about 65% and screen brightness 50%. Although technically the longest was more than 8 hours- with the screen off and just downloading torrent and battery saver on (configured not to sleep).
Incidentally I am getting the same averages for my Surface Pro 4 (with exact usage). My surface pro 3 before averaged me 4.25 hours so that was quickest to die out of the 3 laptops I had the past 3 (or 4) years.
I have no doubt one could probably push it to 8 hours but if you have to eek out the tiniest of juice out of spectre I think it would rob you the joy of using it. 5 hours seems to be the "real life office warrior" average based on conversations from my colleagues.
As you could probably tell I no longer have the spectre x360 as it gave me so many HW issues (no webcam so the entire panel had to be replaced, the replacement panel had to orientation sensors so it had to be replaced again, then finally the motherboard died and had to be replaced). I think I only got to use it 2 months out of the 8 months I had it because it was always in the service center, and unlucky me I live in Phils where there is no parts. Kudos to HP Philippines though for the excellent customer service, and the no-fuss replacement policy. I'm a MS fan as well so I couldn't resist MS pro 4 (I also had the original Surface and surface pro).
That's not to say I hate HP Spectre x360, in fact i'm considering buying one again because you get value for your money for the specs you would be getting (if the OLED version with 512SSD ever gets to the $1.5k mark I will def be buying), and the laptop is just so gorgeous its a certified head turner, I think i 've gotten half a dozen inquiries in coffee shops what model it was (in fairness you couldn't buy x360 where I am from).
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what is considered high temperatures for the x360? both cpu and HD?
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It's hard to say without also posting ambient temperatures and knowing what load it's under.
My ambient is currently 15 degrees C.
Idle (with 75mV undervolt):
CPU - 30 degrees C
HDD - 27 degrees C
Idle (with no undervolt):
CPU - 33 degrees C
HDD - 28 degrees C
100% CPU Load (Prime 95, maximum heat, 1 minute - no undervolt):
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Anyone else notice inventory on HP's US site has shrunk down to just the two 15" models? 13" OLED is also apparently MIA. I wonder what's up with the Spectre x360?
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Actually same here in Australia. The new Spectre 13t has arrived here already but the 13" OLED and 15" both have not arrived here (even though they were announced before the 13t).
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Looks like the BIOS files that HP offers for the Spectre X360 have been unified down to 1. I just got the F.42 BIOS for the SkyLake and that was previous a separate file/numbering for the Broadwell. I no longer see two BIOS files on the HP Support website for the CTO-4100 X360....just this one now. Certainly helps with the lack of confusion when the HP Support Assistant says there's a new BIOS but I have to know if it's the right one or not.
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I have started to get a lot of blue screens lately. Different reasons, but it seems related to memory.
DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION
MEMORY_MANAGEMENT
But I have seen others as well. I have run memtest86, but without any problems at all.
It could be related to the latest bios upgrade (Skylake), but I don´t know for sure.
Anyone else experiencing something similar?
Edit: The latest dumps:
Code:Crash Dump Analysis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crash dump directory: C:\WINDOWS\Minidump Crash dumps are enabled on your computer. On Thu 28-Jul-16 21:53:28 GMT your computer crashed crash dump file: C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\072816-4609-01.dmp This was probably caused by the following module: fltmgr.sys (FLTMGR+0x9E87) Bugcheck code: 0x1000007E (0xFFFFFFFFC0000005, 0xFFFFF8002D069E87, 0xFFFFD0002205AFD8, 0xFFFFD0002205A7F0) Error: SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED_M file path: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\fltmgr.sys product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System company: Microsoft Corporation description: Microsoft Filesystem Filter Manager Bug check description: This indicates that a system thread generated an exception which the error handler did not catch. This appears to be a typical software driver bug and is not likely to be caused by a hardware problem. The crash took place in a standard Microsoft module. Your system configuration may be incorrect. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver on your system that cannot be identified at this time. On Thu 28-Jul-16 21:53:28 GMT your computer crashed crash dump file: C:\WINDOWS\memory.dmp This was probably caused by the following module: fltmgr.sys (FLTMGR!FltGetStreamContext+0x647) Bugcheck code: 0x7E (0xFFFFFFFFC0000005, 0xFFFFF8002D069E87, 0xFFFFD0002205AFD8, 0xFFFFD0002205A7F0) Error: SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED file path: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\fltmgr.sys product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System company: Microsoft Corporation description: Microsoft Filesystem Filter Manager Bug check description: This bug check indicates that a system thread generated an exception that the error handler did not catch. The crash took place in a standard Microsoft module. Your system configuration may be incorrect. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver on your system that cannot be identified at this time. On Thu 28-Jul-16 11:45:33 GMT your computer crashed crash dump file: C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\072816-4500-01.dmp This was probably caused by the following module: ntoskrnl.exe (nt+0x142940) Bugcheck code: 0x1A (0x5001, 0xFFFFF58010804000, 0x59F3, 0x59F7000B3E2) Error: MEMORY_MANAGEMENT file path: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntoskrnl.exe product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System company: Microsoft Corporation description: NT Kernel & System Bug check description: This indicates that a severe memory management error occurred. This might be a case of memory corruption. More often memory corruption happens because of software errors in buggy drivers, not because of faulty RAM modules. The crash took place in the Windows kernel. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver that cannot be identified at this time. On Thu 28-Jul-16 11:25:21 GMT your computer crashed crash dump file: C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\072816-5703-01.dmp This was probably caused by the following module: ntoskrnl.exe (nt+0x142940) Bugcheck code: 0x133 (0x0, 0x501, 0x500, 0x0) Error: DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION file path: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntoskrnl.exe product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System company: Microsoft Corporation description: NT Kernel & System Bug check description: The DPC watchdog detected a prolonged run time at an IRQL of DISPATCH_LEVEL or above. This appears to be a typical software driver bug and is not likely to be caused by a hardware problem. This problem might also be caused because of overheating (thermal issue). The crash took place in the Windows kernel. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver that cannot be identified at this time. On Sat 23-Jul-16 15:11:18 GMT your computer crashed crash dump file: C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\072316-7578-01.dmp This was probably caused by the following module: ntoskrnl.exe (nt+0x142940) Bugcheck code: 0xA (0x10, 0xFF, 0x96, 0xFFFFF8006F9FFB48) Error: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL file path: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntoskrnl.exe product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System company: Microsoft Corporation description: NT Kernel & System Bug check description: This indicates that Microsoft Windows or a kernel-mode driver accessed paged memory at DISPATCH_LEVEL or above. This appears to be a typical software driver bug and is not likely to be caused by a hardware problem. The crash took place in the Windows kernel. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver that cannot be identified at this time. On Sat 23-Jul-16 14:43:58 GMT your computer crashed crash dump file: C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\072316-4984-01.dmp This was probably caused by the following module: ntoskrnl.exe (nt+0x142940) Bugcheck code: 0x19 (0xE, 0xFFFFE0005B0E5940, 0x1, 0x25DAE52BA099A2C3) Error: BAD_POOL_HEADER file path: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntoskrnl.exe product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System company: Microsoft Corporation description: NT Kernel & System Bug check description: This indicates that a pool header is corrupt. This appears to be a typical software driver bug and is not likely to be caused by a hardware problem. This might be a case of memory corruption. More often memory corruption happens because of software errors in buggy drivers, not because of faulty RAM modules. This problem might also be caused because of overheating (thermal issue). The crash took place in the Windows kernel. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver that cannot be identified at this time.
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Hi I am considering buying the Ash Silver/copper HP Spectre x360 13.3 inch i7 OLED QHD for University (Starting Sept 2016) and I have a few questions:
1) When making notes, would I be able to use a Stylus to hand write notes / highlight and draw diagrams. If so what is the best Stylus I should use.
2) What is the battery life like for the QHD i7 model (I will mainly be using the laptop for One Note, Word, Internet Browsing and video Streaming)
3) When you fully rotate the screen to transform it into a tablet and you place it flat on a surface, do you think the keyboard might get damaged?
4) Finally, I am friends with an HP employee and because of that I am able to get this laptop for £1099, do you think this is a good deal?
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I haven't used both but I used the Dell Stylus on the recommendation of others. It works pretty flawlessly except that if you haven't used it with the laptop for a while the initial detection/ sync can take a while.
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Does anyone know the model of dell stylus that still works with the new OLED 13.3 inch model?
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Hello everyone, I have one question - i have latest i7 model with QHD, and I was wondering if 90w or 120w power adapter will work with it? I want faster charging, one that ships with it is small 45w and it also has pretty short cord, so I would need to get one with longer cord anyway. HP offers 65w one but I wonder if laptop accepts 90w or even 120w chargers.
If anyone knows, it would be of great help.
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Was looking at this laptop and like it alot but it is not a business class machine. They have a pro version but it is missing fingerprint reader and OLED options. I also want it in a 14". The Lenovo Yoga X1 14" based on specifications alone is more to my liking. If HP beefed up the X360 pro model and made it in a 14" I would go with HP.
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Can anyone help me?
I want to switch to a 512GB SSD. So i bought one and also a M.2 to USB Adapter.
I also bought Acronis True Image 2016.
Now I connected the new SSD which is now not shown as a drive, because it is not partitioned yet.
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I have an x360 with a Broadwell processor. I went to Best Buy, but they only had newer units that don't have this issue. On my QHD screen, when I slightly tip the laptop so the display tilts back, the screen dims like those old displays that would go negative when viewed from an angle. When I tilt the display it becomes slightly dimmer or greyer. Or if I move my head down, it becomes grey and dim slightly as I move down. Does anybody with a Boradwell or older QHD model have this issue? Thanks.
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I have an x360 with a Broadwell processor. I went to Best Buy, but they only had newer units that don't have this issue. On my QHD screen, when I slightly tip the laptop so the display tilts back, the screen dims like those old displays that would go negative when viewed from an angle. When I tilt the display it becomes slightly dimmer or greyer. Or if I move my head down, it becomes grey and dim slightly as I move down. Does anybody with a Boradwell or older QHD model have this issue? Thanks.
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I have an x360 with a Broadwell processor. I went to Best Buy, but they only had newer units that don't have this issue. On my QHD screen, when I slightly tip the laptop so the display tilts back, the screen dims like those old displays that would go negative when viewed from an angle. When I tilt the display it becomes slightly dimmer or greyer. Or if I move my head down, it becomes grey and dim slightly as I move down. Does anybody with a Broadwell or older QHD model have this issue? Thanks.
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Hey guys, when I bought my x360 a year ago, I bought it with the 512GB SSD, which ended up being the OEM PM851. As I notice the slowdowns and researched online, this model suffers from the same issues as the 840 EVO. Has anyone found a firmware that helps to fix this? I currently have the EXT22H0Q.
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I have had my X360 i5, FHD since April of last year. I am still running BIOS F.04 because when HP started updating the BIOS, they disabled some access to battery information that rendered battery life estimates useless. I use BatteryBar Pro which couldn't get the information needed to calculate battery life. Powercfg claims my battery life estimate since the OS was installed is over 11 hours. I think life is usually over 8 1/2 hours.
Anyway, does anyone know if the battery information been enabled in any of the later BIOS versions?
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Hi Jim,
I'm running Bios F.42 and Battery Bar.
Battery Bar works perfectly fine for me and its battery estimates are pretty much bang on. Not sure exactly what you are referring to?
Battery Bar will take a couple of discharge cycles to gather enough statistical data to work (at least for me).
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Battery Bar couldn't access any battery information on early BIOS following F.04. Glad to hear they fixed that problem. I guess I will update my BIOS.
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Well, I updated to F.42 and Battery Bar Pro does not show any discharge rate. Same symptom as before. Guess I will go back to F.04.
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It definitely works for me... are you using the latest version of Battery Bar?
It's either that or the firmware is different between Broadwell and Skylake processors.
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