I had theorized the L625 "Turion" with the extra power state would match up with the 780G chipset best for power savings, wonder if that will pan out.
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First I would say if you have a price restriction and you don't do much hard core gaming, I would say get the DM3z...I don't think you'll find a lighter, more powerful laptop on the market at that price point. But if you can go up in price, then you might consider the Sony CW..I've been reading alot about both the Sony CW and the DM3 and I am leaning toward getting the Sony, here's why...
Touchpad-I really like the touchpad on the Sony, nice and smooth, finger glides over it easy. And I don't like the touchpad on the DM3, it grabs at my finger and won't let is slide very well. I know that folks have said to just get a little oil from you skin on it, etc so then it will slide better...but I want a touchpad to work out of the box, whether it's clean or dirty and whether I put light or hard pressure on my finger or whether my finger is sweaty or dry. And the Sony fits the touchpad bill for me. The Sony touchpad is more like the Dell Inspiron touchpad I've used over the years, as far as smoothness, and that is the kind I like.
Graphics Card- For $50 more, and downsizing the hard drive a bit from 500GB to 320GB, as compared to the Bestbuy config you gave the link too, you can get this same exact CW configuration from Sonystyle.com except with a GT230M Graphics Card, versus a G210M. The 230 is quite a bit better card, being that it has 48 shader cores and 128bit bus speed, versus the G210M has only 16 shaders and 64bit bus speed. Of course if you don't game much, you might not care as much. I don't game that much, but I just want the extra power for the few games I do like to play, like GRID and NFS, and so the laptop doesn't get outdated as fast and just in case I might need more power in the future for something I decide to run...to me it is better to have too much power than not enough. PS, I plan on adding the P8700 Processor to the CW config as well, partly because it has Virtualization capabilities build in, where the T6600 does not. I want to be able to run the "Windows XP Mode" in windows 7, if need be.
Screen size- I prefer the 14" size screen of the CW over the DM3 13 inch.
Laptop Style/Appearance-Personally I really need to like the appearance of the laptop I buy and I don't really like the appearance of the DM3 nearly as much as the Sony...one thing I don't like about the DM3 is the chrome strip around the bottom front edge, it looks kind of cheap and tacky to me, with an uneven gap in it, at least that is how it was in a few I've seen around a couple of stores. Also there is not "Color" on the DM3...I especially like to have a colored laptop (CW has 5 color choices)...I especially like the Royal Indigo color myself, available on SonyStyle.
Heat Issues- From what I've been reading on this forum and other forums the palm rest(s) get a bit too warm on the DM3, but I've also read that some don't have any issue with heat, I guess it is debatable. Though from what I read on the "Official Sony Vaio CW Series Owner's Thread" forum there appears to be no noticable heat issues with the CW.
Optical Drive-The Sony CW has an internal Blue Ray drive and the DM3 doesn't have one at all.
Other bells and whistles the CW has over the DM3. The CW has a "One-Touch Web Access" button, which allows you to jump on the web in a few seconds without booting up Windows 7; also the CW has a button to turn on and off the monitor/screen which I thought was cool and I've never seen on a laptop before.
-Battery Life- From what I read, the CW gets about 3 to 3 1/2 hours configured with the GT230m card, which is pretty good considering. But not quite as good as the DM3z...I think it gets 2 or 3 more hours than the CW. If I "REALLY" cared about battery life, I'd probably go with the UL80VT anyway, since folks get as much as 10 hours on it, and it has switchable graphics like the DM3z. But when it comes to battery life, this is how I look at it, 90% of the time I use my laptop at home, so if the battery goes dead I can easily plug it in. Also I figure most laptops I've had in the past, within a year or two, the battery usually starts loosing it's ability to hold a charge and I end up having to eventually keep the thing plugged in all the time anyways, since I can never talk myself into spending $100 or so to purchase a new battery. So after the battery goes out, what do you have left? Well I want to have a more powerful computer left. I guess I'm the kind of laptop user that likes to buy and hold so to speak for many years.
Weight- The CW weighs about 1lb more than the DM3 4.2 lbs versus 5.3 lbs, but you get a bigger screen and an Optical drive with the CW.
The bottom line for me is to have a fairly thin and light, but as powerful as possible, laptop for under $1000 and that looks "cool" to my eyes and for me the Sony CW fits the bill. At least it does today, but I will admit I've gone back and forth a bit, mostly I've been wrestling more between the UL80vt and the CW more than the DM3, mainly because I like the bit bigger screen size. I'm hoping that the CW will go on sale for black Friday, so maybe I can get a couple hundred off!
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dragon age is 20-40fps with frame buffer effects off and graphics detail very high and texture detail high.
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With GT 230M 512mb DDR 3 and 48 stream processor, it should have no problem handling modern warfare 2 at 1366 x 768 native resolution. Also there is a 7% student discount for the CW series which would knock the price down some more and having a blue ray drive is a big plus.
As for DM3....it is aluminum beautiful, thin.. light.... and double the battery life of CW is the big big plus and also quite a few hundred bucks cheaper thats why I'm agonizing over it. For the moment I'm leaning toward CW but the long battery and metal finish is beautiful......gotta sleep on it and thank you again for the response.
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you do know running a bluray drive is going to burn up to another 5watts while your accessing it. So watching a movie is going to really hurt.
Its really a choice between portability and peformance. the graphics card in the sony will be better for games. But you have almost no battery life and do you really want to lug that giant laptop around ? -
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With DM3..where it goes.. power cord can stay home........I'm confusing myself more.. sigh
PS: Also one predicament is. if I get those SU 9300... or those high powered cpu, this laptop will be too expensive without dvd drive and good video card. The bestbuy and office depot cheaper version is nice but with those lower powered cpu, more program on it will burden it more. I have no doubt it will burden the system and slow it down more in the near future..... -
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As for the optical drive you can simply get an external optical drive they aren't very expensive and i doubt you would actually use the optical drive often.
I personaly just rip all my blurays and back them up to an external 2TB hardrive on my desktop and then can just stream what I want .
But everyone has diffrent needs. I would never buy a laptop as my main gaming rig. It wont be very long till you can't play new games on it. COD MW 2 might work well on that laptop but what about the next big game after that ? OR heck the next cod that will be out next holiday season ? -
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actually I like to buy and sell computers, so I dont have those gaming computer anymore. My home set up now is a self built machine with core i7 920 quad cpu. 6 GB ddr 3 ram and a ATI 5870 card that cost me 430 bucks!!! (don't judge)...... so laptop I'm looking for is my 2ndary computer.........I know ur gonna say just get DM3! and its a sensible choice, but sony is so pretty too lol -
Okay so I know a mini pci-e card wont fit in the wwan port but how about one of these half height mini pci-e cards ?
http://www.supertalent.com/products/ssd_category_detail.php?type=Netbook
The 32gig goes for about $100 and the 16GB one for $55. That be a great windows drive if it would work. Whats everyones ideas on this ? -
Questions for the people who did the battery life test: did you guys test it after charging battery until the battery light went off or the battery meter in Windows said 100%?
If you test the battery life after meter said 100% ... can you retest it after you charge the battery (while the laptop is off) until the battery light went off? Muchas gracias! -
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Hello everyone, happy owner of the DM3 1080 here in France. I have been following this discussion for a while, and was wondering if anyone has tried to overclock the dm3 1080 (intel SU7300) using SetFSB or another tool? I'm happy to try it, but I would need to know what PLL chip is installed...
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scottybgood, I owned the Asus UL80V (not Turbo) for a day, and sent it back for bad build quality, keyboard flex, fingerprints and more importantly, too much noise whenyou push it a bit (games). The dm3 fares much better in that respect...
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ubercool, can we get some updates to the first post?
DM3-1030US does have BT on board.
Also, I will be receiving my SP9300/105M model tomorrow, would like to see some updates on WEI and other benchmarking scores for the different retail/CTO models consolidated in the initial post. Willing to help...
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Hi guys, I live in the UK and am considering getting the DM3. I spent over an hour last night reading all 70 pages of this thread!
Unfortunately, they only sell one model in the UK ( http://www.dabs.com/products/hp-dm3...minium-4gb-320gb-windows-7-premium-6909.html). I really want the l625 and Radeon 4330 upgrade and you can't get that here. Sooo, I'm getting a friend in San Jose to order me one and ship it over. It's gonna cost me an arm and a leg to do it but I want this laptop to be perfect.
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Laptops should be used as secondary machines esp if your spending $1000 or less because even if these things play today games okay , next years games will play like .
I picked up my dm3 knowing i'd have to play SW TOR on low settings when it came out. But My main pc has a quad core q9650 @4.2ghz for gaming with a 4850 1gig (next year going to upgrade to a 5850 2gig) with 8 gigs of ram and a ssd drive for faster performance (after the holidays i'm adding a second) This pc will run any game i throw at it with better performance than any of the laptops under $1500. Total I paid on it was $700 bucks and I spent that over the course of 2 years now. Gaming on a desktop is so much cheaper. -
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that's why I can' tdecide. How's your DM3 running like music, video, web browsing and office , speed and snappy compare with ur desktopwise? about the same? slower? noticeably>?
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however the laptop has no problems surfing the web , videos take longer to load but i'm sure thats wireless vs gigabit wired connection to the router.
I like it alot.
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Im not a superuser like some of you guys, but if anybody cares here are my results with my DM3z L335/3200HD/250gigHDD/3gRAM/WifiN+Bluetooth system.
WEI scores:
4.2
4.9
3.7
4.6
3.9
I've did a complete format and put all the partitions together to make 100% of the HDD into C: drive Partition 0.
Installed Windows7, 64bit Ultimate OEM
Installed AIM, Yahoo IM, MSN Messenger, Utorrent, Adobe Flash, Adobe Reader, Firefox, Java, VLC player, iTunes + Quicktime
Good:
System boots to login screen in about 15 seconds. Shuts down in about half that time. Very reponsive in all applications. Battery does take a long time to fully charge while using it. I would estimate about 3 hours or so, but last over 5 hours surfing the web and IM'ing. WiFi signal is VERY strong. I was getting 2-3 bars with my 2 year old Acer notebook, this one gets 5 full bars. LED lights for Power, HDD, Network are white or blue, very classy very chic.
All metal construction screams luxury. Very solid build, feels like an Apple product. LED backlight screen is super bright, super white and very crisp.. compared to my old laptop is makes it look dull and yellow. Keyboard is a joy to type on. More ports than I will ever be able to use, everything is included.
I've tried playing samples of all multimedia I could find with no problem. Youtube HD, no problems there. Im not a Hulu user, so I didnt try that. Im not a gamer, so I havent installed any games. Although I might give COD4 or Modern Warfare2 a try.
Bad:
1) Notebook does get very warm on the left side as others noted. Not enough to make you burn or sweat. But it is uncomfortable to bare skin.
2) Touchpad does not give a smooth experience. Even with oils built up on surface its not always a smooth, fluid motion. Pointer tends to stick at times. Taps & Doubletaps on the touchpad dont always register. Right & Left buttons hard to press. When typing sometimes pointer jumps around screen because of my wrist. I did load the Alps pointer driver, increased the speed of the pointer and that did help. Motion more fluid, taps & double tap register better. But you still get the feeling this touchpad wasnt an ideal solution. Definitely form over function.
Its not absolutely frustrating experience, but it is irritating at times. Why HP didnt test it, or use a better, more tested solution Im have no idea. What I do know is I've never used a touchpad this finicky. Im sure if their engineers would have let some normal people use it, they would have heard the same complaints and made changes.
3) Fan kicks up kinda loud when watching full screen video. Absolutely noticeable. This only happened when watching full screen video. 90% of the time this would never bother me.. but I can imagine in a quiet environment (bedroom, airplane, private office) this would annoy some people.
4) Its not exactly "thin" or "light". It would better be described as "thinner" & "lighter" than a regular notebook.
Other than that.. for $649 bucks, including Wifi-N, Bluetooth, ext DVD burner, 5+ hour battery life, and metal construction I cant think of a better deal. Overall Im VERY satisfied. Oh wait a minute.. I got in on the Bing.com 25% cash back deal.. and will recieve something like $162 back. Meaning this notebook utimately cost $487 bucks.. There is absolutely not a better deal around!!
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!! :0)
P.S. The metal construction and black chiklet keyboard does make it look much more expensive. Definitely has the looks of a $1000 notebook. I showed it to the girl Im dating and she simply could not believe the $649 price. She wants to order one next. -
In power saver mode doing light surfing and reviewing pdfs while plugged into an ethernet connection, it looks like I'm getting nearly 7.3 hours. I'm not as confident about that number though, since it's only based on an hour of use.
I was strongly considering the Mini 311 too. My last laptop was a 12.3" Dell XPS and I loved the combo of the small form factor and decent graphics. The problem was just that at the time of my purchase, HP wasn't really offering many incentives to get the Mini. The price difference was small enough that it seemed to make more sense to get the dm3. -
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I figure that this upgrade will let me play a lot more games with the laptop, increasing the longevity of the machine. I won't really notice or miss the missing ram, HD and dvd drive.
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I have 3 gigs of ram, I believe you have 4.
I have a 250gig HDD, again I beleive you have a 320gig.
I also added the external DVD drive.
Considering the money spent, you definitely came out with a great deal yourself. Probably a better deal considering you didnt have to wait for shipping and you didnt have to pay cash up front initially.
To answer your question, when playing full screen video (and ONLY when playing full screen video). The fan noise does kick up pretty loud. If your in a location where is it is extremely quiet (private office, airplane, bedroom) then yes it would be annoying when this happens.
Also this only happened when watching full screen video from websites. Assuming they were using Flash player.. which is CPU intensive (not GPU).. one would have to believe the CPU itself was being pushed to the limit and that would be why the fan was running so fast.
As far as HD trailers or movie/game trailers. The indicator of how hard they would push the CPU would be are they using Flash player or another player.
Its actually a worry that isnt a big deal, because word on the street is the next update to Adobe Flash player will make it share the workload between the CPU & GPU.. meaning the CPU wont be pushed as hard and hopefully will not need to kick the fan into high speed.
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1) So under normal surfing.....word/excel....listening to music, this laptop is quiet?
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On the trackpad, I noticed that when I first used it, yes it was very annoying, the pointer wouldnt even move without serious pressure. But after like 10 minutes it was all smooth. It may not only be a matter of oily, but temperature. I left it set in unheated room on the floor and next morning it was back to being annoying, but as had it in my lap and messed with it for a minute it was back to silky smooth.
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Hey guys. I had a little bit of a hang up after waking my dm3t from sleep the other day (another one of the alps touchpad issues). Well, I uninstalled the driver, and went to install a fresh copy of the driver when I went to hp's website.
HP's driver page for the dm3's have different drivers for the touchpad.
dm3t= 1.00
dm3z= 1.somethingelseI'dtellyouifhp'swebsiteweren'tactingup
Needless to say, the driver for the dm3z was more up to date than the one listed for the intel dm3t. So, I installed that driver instead. Everything works a lot better, expecially multitouch.
Just thought I'd let you guys know.
Also, I'm not sure what exactly is going on here, but I have the SU7300, and it's supposed to run at 1.3GHz. Just checked CPU-Z and it's listing it at going at 1.6GHz.
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Does the updated driver help it run smoother or is that an issue with the actual hardware. If so, has anyone found any solutions (oil, skinstyler etc.) to help?
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Quick question I was hoping someone could help me with.
I have the 7300/G105 waiting for me at home when I finally get back there on Friday. I've heard that HP loads their computers with loads of needless crap that you don't need. I think the term is "bloatware" (like trial subscriptions to Norton, etc.).
As I'm not a huge computer person could someone walk me thru a simple step-by-step explanation of what I need to do to remove this needless crap so the computer will run faster/more smoothly?
Also what programs(s)/bloatware should I be looking to remove?
TIA for any help you guys can give me!!
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My only qualm with this computer is the touch pad because it could be a bit better. If I really care that much I may look into skinstyler but natural body oils are fine with me right now. Everything else is sooo great. I am extremely satisfied with my L625 / 4330 config, in spite of the touch pad. -
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Anyone who could tell me if it's possible to run like HL2, CS:source and TF2 or less demanding games on the L325 with ati hd 3200. Is it even possible to run on low/medium settings with 800x600 or 1024x640? Not looking to have this as my main gaming computer but it would be nice to be able to take a short break from schoolwork from time to time.
Is it worth getting the hd 4330 without switchable graphics or does it suck to much power while using it for music, webbrowsing, (movies) etc? -
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Also I can play left 4 dead 2 at 20-40 fps at high settings (look through my posts) Its using the same engine as half life 2 and what not only the game is coming out in a few months instead of 4 or 5 years ago
half life 2 is no sweat with the 4330. Model detail high , texture detail high , shader detail high , water detail= reflect world , shadow detail high , color correction disabled. FSAA at 4x , anistropic filtering at 2x high dynamic range is full all at default screen ress of 1336x768 and i'm getting 60-110 fps -
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So here is the deal.
The radeon hd 4330 , 4530 and the 4570 are all the same gpu. The only diffrence is clock speeds even power consumption is about the same
The 4330 has a gpu clock of 450 and a ram clock of 600mhz.
The 4530 has a gpu clock of 500 and a ram clock of 700mhz
The 4570 has a gpu clock of 680 and a ram clock of 800mhz.
According to netbook check the 4570 is a low class 2 while the others are low and middle class 3 (higher the class the worse the card.)
Right now I'm working on testing gpu clock speeds. My card currently is at 705mhz with no problems. If i can clock the ram to 800mhz then we really do have a great gaming machine.
Yikes 725mhz and no porblems so far on the core...hmm it feels about as hot as it normaly does when playing a game.
I'm going ot screw around and when i get to a good clock speed both on the gpu and the ram I will report back with some left 4 dead 2 and dragon age play throughs. Half life 2 is not important as I've basicly maxed out the settings at default clocks and was getting at points 150fps with 4xfsaa
775mhz and climbing , going to stop at 800mhz if its stable.
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