HP dv6113us - getting heated very quickly!

Hi,

I bought the HP dv6113us notebook from CompUSA on blackfriday.

The performance of this laptop is very good. But this laptop is getting heated up very quickly. It produces unbearable heat in just 20 mins(i just browse the internet during this time). I feel the heat on the mouse pad and on left side of the keyboard.

Is this a normal heat that a AMD machine produces?
Has anyone got this laptop and experiencing this heat?

Please advise me if i have to return the laptop or replace it.

Thanks,
NS.

 

How much heat is it producing? Use Core Temp to monitor the cpu temperatures and post 'em here. If the heat is eminating form the left palm rest then it is more likely due to the HDD rather than the cpu.

The cpu shouldnt get too hot, mine just idles ~36C - 39C & the max is ~65C - 70C. Yours should be in the same range as well. If the cpu is heating up very quickly then you have a problem, in such case if you can return it.

 

@Saran: I feel your pain brother. Mine, a TL-52, has fluctuated between 51 and 59C, even at idle and with RM voltage at .775 at 4 and .925 at 8! Frankly, if the fan didn't constantly (I mean every 1 or 2 minutes until the temp drops back to 51C) cycle on, I could probably reach 65-70, AT IDLE and with a < 6% CPU load. Just read that Miner gets 36-39C at idle and I'm green with envy. I love this friggin' beast, but this can't be normal. Anyone with a DV6000Z have similar issues?

 

OK.. lets do this the simple way....

Download a couple of programs to check the temps... temps may indeed by normal...

If they aren't:

If Compusa has some more stock on the way, just return the unit...

Why return?... well you get a new unit,... and HP gets back a unit to put in their "refurb" pile...

I'm of the mindset that if a defective unit is shipped out, the unit should be returned so it goes into the refurb pile of the mfg as a way to penalize the mfg for poor quality control. Mfg loses money which equates into tighter quailty control ... More units that are returned, the FASTER someone's going to starting addressing those quality control issues!

Consumer puts up with sloppy work... no skin off mfg's teeth so to speak and units keep getting shipped out with sub-standard parts.
(Yes I know not every part is perfect, before anyone brings that up)


That's if you can return it.

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RE: 65-70, AT IDLE and with a < 6% CPU load. Just read that Miner gets 36-39C at idle and I'm green with envy.

That's a pretty big differance in temps...


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That was a hypothetical with the fan(s) turned off. In reality, once the CPU temp reaches 59C, usually within 5 minutes of turning it on dead cold, the fan(s) kick in and drop the temp to 51 or so, regardless of processor load. Frankly, I could live with the fans coming on as frequently as they do if it wasn't for the impact they have on an already poor battery life. The heat I could live with, 50 minute battery life I can't...

 

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For whatever reason your case... 50 minute battery life is a reason to return the unit.

I think the unit I have goes to like 59 at FULL load... nx6325... addtionally I read about a big problem with the nx6100? nc6100 something like that with the fans cycling full on all the time under little load, that HP was supposed to be working on a bios update to run the fan at lower speeds, two of three speeds... Don't remember the details.. and I know it's not the same machine..

Saw a picture of the heatsink /heatpipe used and it looked on the "small" side to me...

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True enough. The only reason I haven't done so yet is the fear that I'll get a machine with more problems that I started with. But, given the current situation, it looks like a call to HP is in order. Maybe they know something that will rectify the problem. In any case, it needs to be solved, either by fixing this one or sending me another.

 

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FYI: If you send the unit for "repair" you better take pictures of it as there have been people reporting that units sent in for repair are coming back "damaged".

Take pictures of unit with a Newspaper in background showing headlines /date... . and if you're smart you'll type up a short document giving a description of the unit, along with the pics and go down to your local bank and get it notarized as to the condition... (Im serious)

Most banks offer this service for free, or VERY low cost...

It would be hard for HP (or anyone) to jerk you around if unit comes back with scratches /damage /broken plastic...

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I have Pavilion dv6119us which is exactly the same machine as your dv6113us, but yours is sold at CompUSA and mine at Circuit City.
The reason the left side gets so hot is because that's where the HDD is. I bought mine about a month ago and have been observing the temps very carefully. The cpu idles between 46-51C and the graphics GPU is between 68-73C. Before i bought a coolpad for my notebook, the HDD used to idle at 53 C when on a wooden surface. I always pulled it towards me so that the area where the HDD is hangs over the edge, thus getting better air circulation. By doing that the HDD temp dropped to 48C. With my new coolingpad the HDD temp has dropped to 40 degrees Celsius, while the other temps(GPU, CPU) have remained the same. Before i bought the cooling pad, my left side used to get quite warm too. I think it's just the way these Seagate Momentus hard drives work. After all these HDDs spin at 5400rpms.

 

Good idea. Thanks for the heads up.

 

Thanks for saying thanks... alot of people don't know how to do that these days...

On taking pictures, typing up a short document giving a description of the unit, along with the pics and go down to your local bank and get it notarized as to the condition...

I've read quite a few number of posts from people who have sent their units in for repair, not a scratch on them to receive them back damaged, and then HP is giving them the run around...

Doing something simple like that would save you alot of grief if that happens to you.

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Just an idea,,, get some extra access panels and drill holes in them to get some more air into the case?

On a related subject if I was designing laptops I wouldn't put the air intakes on the bottom and if I had to, I'd put the air intakes "centered" in the center of the unit, maybe towards the back alittle so the intake isn't blocked by your "leg".

Another thing I'd do is to put the pull out handles back on machines, so you'd have something to grab ahold of when transporting a "naked" unit.

One machine, an Apple had a fold out handle that swung down, folding under the rear of the machine which elevated the rear of the machine which on today's units that run hot would be a bonus. It also made the keyboard at an angle, another "plus" ... "A fold out carrying handle doubled as a way to prop up back end of the machine to angle the keyboard for typing, if desired."

I'd also design units with attachment points for a layard, or strap...

Ah, seems someone has been looking over my shoulder looking at my notes:

http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/04/more-details-on-the-olpc-100-laptop/



Ethan Zuckerman bumped into Nicholas Negroponte, the $100 dollar laptop man, and proceeded to grill him for a couple hours on the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project. Apparently some changes have been made since we saw it last, they're doing away with the gap design (pictured) due to the fragility, and instead it will have a fold out handle that can also act as a stand for when the laptop is open. About the size of a large paperback book, the OLPC can operate in a laptop mode, or in a book mode with the keyboard swung around in back and used for paging through text. There is also a game mode, which utilizes the trackballs on each side of the display and their four way buttons. They're trying very hard to keep the power consumption down, hoping for 100 minutes of power for every minute of hand cranking, and have therefore gone with a specialized style of LCD that instead of layering color filters, groups them next to each other, resulting in a blurrier picture, but lower backlight requirements. The next step is to use E-ink technology, which would do away with color, but vastly improve battery life. Ethan had some reservations as to the effectiveness of Negroponte's marketing of these so far, but overall the outlook is good for the forthcoming live demo of these machines on November 16th.
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Hello All...I stumble onto this forum looking for answers to this very problem. I have a 9030US model. It experiences very similiar heat problems. The fan runs and is quite annoying. Being that I am not doing anything processor intensive, I questioned to myself why the fan was running.

It all began with a purchase of a 6000 series laptop from HP. It had the same issues. I called HP. They turned me on to Intel..something another that would monitor temps. Wouldn't work for me so I stumbled upon Speedfan 4.x. HP was ultimately wanting to replace/repair the unit which I didn't want. On a personal note, I had plans to return and get the 9030US instead due to screen size.

I returned and got the 9030. I ran out of the box(thinking it might be software related)...at least at the time I hadn't installed Speedfan. Well after installing speedfan(fan control didn't work for me only the temp gauge), I noticed the HD temps going through the roof. I topped out around 56c at one point. THe CPU got warm but nowhere close. The second drive hottest temp was 47.

I bought a cooling board that has helped considerably I am running 39 HDD and the core is 28 as we speak. It really offers me nothing on battery power as that will just drain the battery even faster. I haven't experimented much on batteries. I do know I run about 1:45 or so watching a DVD movie so that wasn't too terribly bad.

So I am basically confirming what ESTLAND was saying about the HD. I think the heat generated is what kicks the fan off so often as the core is reasonable cool for me.

Maybe there is a fix out there. Swapping harddrive brands is an option I suppose but I would have to get some good opinions first.

Please keep this thread going as there is probably alot of us with the same problem and would additional details on this topic.

Regards,
Mickey

 

Hey, i have a dv9010, and had the exact same problem. When I first bought it, the left side would get quite hot, to the point where it was annoying. After about a week, it stopped doing that. So maybe the hard drive just needs time to break in or something. Also, be careful of what kind of lighting you have near by. I used to have a desk lamp shining quite close to the computer, after moving it away I noticed a good decrease in temp as well.

 

Ambient temperature jis the main reason for unfocomfortable heat from the HDD and the CPU. Do have that in mind. The cooling pad is more or less a necessary accessory because it preserves the laptop and you'll enjoy it longer.

 

I'm thinking about getting a cooling pad for my dv6113us. Anybody got any suggestions?

 

If you are not playing game, you don't need cooling pad at all. My V3000Z has smaller cooling space than 6000s, it only get warm under the HDD, feel really cool under vent. Actually, I don't play game at all but watch video a lot. I should say it is quite comfortable to use it on your lap. If DV2000/V3000 can do that, so does 6000s.

There must be some problems of fan control. After undervolt, the IDLE temp should be 35~42, and full load would never beyond 59C. At least my V3000Z never get to that point. And do yourself a favor to equip a larger RAM stick if your work is heavy. That will reduce HDD access and prevent high heat from fanless part.

 

i'm trying the CoreTemp program

I just coldbooted my laptop about 5 mins ago and the programs is reading:

core #0 is 35 c
core #1 is 46-47 c

i'm pretty sure it'll heat up more but this is normal for this pc right?

 

defrag *edited by moderator* with diskeeper. or reformat and reinstall windows xp. my dv2000t use to heat fast too but with diskeeper auto defrager it never heat anymore.

 

so how does the auto defrager work?

has anybody else use this before?

 

Try PerfectDisk. Download it here:

http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/

It's a 30-day eval version. Everything should work and it's one of the best defraggers out there. It's not guaranteed to solve your problem, and probably won't, but you'll have piece of mind and a more organized hard drive. ;-)

 

i tried diskeeper auto defragger and it did defrag my whole HDD

I know this probably only affects my HDD.

Is there a program that measure HDD temp also. I know there's speedfan but is there any other? I'm currently using Core Temp to measure my cores temp

btw, is it normal for one core to be about 10c more than the other?

 

It is very much doubtful for 10C different of two cores on same die. Software bugs?

 

heres the site.. www.diskeeper.com for more info. this program will help ure hard drive cool.
at least it did for me
for me its the best program out there.

ohh.. u defrag with it already?? do u feel the difference on your hard drive temp??? what is your probelm again?? your hard drive hot or wat?

what part of your comp is hot??! it should only be the hard drive...

 

Not really. As I type this core 0 is at 58.2c and core 1 is at 50c. Regardless of the load, core 0 is always running hotter on my machine by roughly 12-20%. Measurements were taken with Everest.

 

Don't know whether it's normal or not, but you're not alone in having this difference/problem, as my previous post suggests. I'll probably give a call to HP tech support after the holidays to see what they think. Doesn't seem "normal" to me, but to be perfectly honest, I don't have much experience in this area. I'll have to let the experts figure this one out.

 

There's a boatload of HDD apps out there that will give you temp info. Some are free, some are shareware, and some are retail. I use Everest/Sandra. Sandra Lite is free, Everest is not. In addition, there's a product - free - called HD Tune
that you can download from here:

http://www.hdtune.com/

I don't use it anymore, but it will give you what you need and then some. Like I said though, you have a lot to choose from. Just Google "HDD temp" and be prepared to duck.

 

wow, thanks for all the help

I tried the defrag it it surely did help

before, my core 1 was idling at 51-54 C

Now it's at around 44-47 c. It's a pretty big drop.

The main source of heat it coming from my touchpad. The left and right palm rests are perfectly cool at all times. When I checked, the ram slots were below my touchpad so does that mean my ram sticks are overheating?

Thanks everyone

 

i have a theory, would it help drop the temperature down if i had 1gb stick of ram instead of 2 512mb sticks?

I'm just thinking, one hot thing is better than 2 right?

 

One more way to reduce heat is to remove the battery when running on AC power.

 

if i don't use the battery for awhile, will the cells wear out?

 

i told u!!! the diskeeper is really good which version are u using u should use 2007 pro premier.

 

dude, what program are u using for watchin DVD? try cyberlink power dvd 7 delux. the best picture quality ever!!

 

Huh? how would this reduce the heat?

The Cyber PowerDVD only works good when you play DVD/mpeg2 format videos, doing really bad with X.264/mp4 stuffs. I use K-Lite decoder and WMP classic to play almost everything. Yeah, PowerDVD 7 gives you a much clear view if cop with PureVideo, but this is limited in DVD playback only.

 

yeah, i'm using that one. I think it help a little but the continually defraging gets annoying cuz i can hear the HDD constantly working.

the pc is working fine as of right now. No crashes yet due to overheating.

I'll try to watch a movie or play a game and see what happens

 

personally, i use VLC Player. I player virtually all types of formats. I'm not sure how the picture quality of this compared to other media players, but for me, it's good.

 

I guess it wouldn't reduce much heat when your battery was fully charged, but when it's not full and it's charging, then the battery gets warm, thus not exactly helping to keep your laptop cool.
If i have the battery hooked up, then my system temperature is 7C degrees higher, than without the battery.
And when you have your battery removed, then air can access your system a little bit better through the holes that exist in the battery compartment.
Anyway, i have my battery removed at all times, and my laptop hooked to a battery-backed UPS.
If you are using your laptop on AC power at all times, then it's a good idea to remove the battery - even HP suggests you do that.
But when you do decide to remove the battery and put it aside, make sure it's charged to 40%. And every couple of months or so, you should hook that battery to your laptop and run it out of juice, then charge it all the way, and run it out of juice again. Then only charge it to 40% again, and put it aside.

 

Really, that's very interesting. I've notice a difference also when I'm charging my laptop while using it at the same time. It heats up very rapidly and crashed twice. I have not yet run into trouble though running the laptop on battery.

btw, how do you store ur battery away? do you put it in a bag or just leave it out in the open somewhere?

 

Yes, i read it on their webpage somewhere in the battery section. I can look it up if anyone doubts my words.

I just keep it in my laptop bag. It doesn't really matter where you keep it, as long as it's in a dry place.

 

Here it is:
http://h20239.www2.hp.com/techcenter/battery/Battery_max.htm

Remove the battery if the notebook will be plugged into AC power continuously (via a wall adapter or docking station) for more than 2 weeks.

 

I have problems with my DV6000z too (dv6014ea)

I'm using Speedfan 4.31 for measuring the temp. i my computer.


Running on AC, CPU-load 1 - 2 % (idle):

Starting a cold machine. After about 15 minuttes, the temperature raises to
60C, and the fan kicks in. The fan runs for about 45 sec. and the temperature drops down to 50C, and the fan stops.

After 2 minuttes, the temperature is at 60C again, and the fan kicks in again,
temperature drops down to 50C again, and the fan stops.

That's the way it goes all the time, 2 minuttes of silence, and 45 sec. listening to the noise from the fan.

if CPU-load are more than about 25 %, the fan runs almost all the time.

Running on batteries, the fan is less aggressive, but the temperature is almost 60C, all the time.

 

Read my post.......my comp. behaves very similary to yours

 

And yours behaves almost exactly the same as mine. Temp rises, from a cold start, to ~60c, when the fan kicks in. Fan runs for ~45s till the temp drops back to 50c when the fan stops, and on and on it goes.

The average time for the temp to go from 50c to 59c is ~85s. CPU load is less than 5% and ambient temp is around 70f during this time. What concerns me is the discrepancy between core temps, which ranges from 12-20%. Core 0 is always hotter than core1. Even more interesting is that this happens even if core 1 has a higher load than 0 and stranger yet, I've undervolted the processor to run at VID .925 at FID 8.0 and .775 at 4.0.

Now before someone tells me that it's normal to have differing temps between the cores, like this: http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?showtopic=28253
I think that a 20% differential is probably out of the norm.

BTW, all temp readings were taken with Everest Ultimate.

 

Spatialnomly, look here !!!

Look at this opinion from a dv6000z user, I found on cnet.com

QUOTE START!

Full user opinion
I've only had this laptop for about a week. I ordered it direct from HP. I ordered mine with the AMD Turion2 TL-50 processor, a gig of ram, the Nvidia graphics card, and the optional web-cam. First of all, I'll start by saying that this laptop looks absolutely beautiful. Dare I say, it looks, sexy! The inlaid pattern and the blue quickplay lights look really cool!
HP-Keep up the good work on design!!!! A+ Perfect10! However, on the performance side of it, I'm not at all impressed with the AMD Turion processor. I've never been a big fan of AMD processors, but I thought that surely they must have come a long way in the quality of their processors. I don't know, maybe their older processors were better, but this new AMD Turionx2 gets extremely hot! Just run your hand underneath this laptop and you can sure feel all of the heat that is coming off of it. That make me worry about long-term reliability. The scroll feature on the mouse pad is really nice and convenient.
This laptop also allows you to store the remote control in the express card slot.
Handy so as not to lose the remote. Some people have had a hard time trying to pry the remote out of the slot, but that's because you have to push in on it to release the catch, easy if you know what you're doing.
I can't tell you how absolutely stunning the display looks on this laptop. It's capable of high-definition display. Way to go HP!
As a matter of fact, I've never been a real big fan of HP, but I've got to hand it to them on the new design of this laptop. I absolutely love the touch-sensitive volume controls. They're really cool! The Altec Lansing speakers sound great! The keyboard keys do however feel like they lack a more proper groove for you fingers to fit into them more comfortably. Not, too bad, but I like the keys on Toshiba laptops more. Also, the last drawback is the terrible battery life that you get with this laptop. I ordered it with the standard 6-cell battery and even after I calibrated it like HP recommends I have only been able to make it last for 1 hour and 40 minutes. And that's just been using it to browse the web and NOT using the wi-fi. If I were to do it all over again, I would definately go with an Intel Duo Core processor. I hear that they run cooler and that they have better battery life. Overall this is a nice laptop loaded with great features, but I would highly recommend that you order it with the 12-cell battery instead of the 6-cell and that you also order it with an Intel processor. But, again, my hat's off to HP! And the only reason that I'm giving this laptop a 6 instead of a 10 is strictly because of the AMD processor.

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by buyrite (see profile) - September 25, 2006
A couple more negatives
I forgot to mention, but the fan also turns on and off about every minute to minute and a half. Also, the computer freezes up after it gets hot. Sometimes it takes about an hour, sometimes it takes about 2 hours. I think that it's because of the AMD processor. And one last thing about the right and left click buttons, one of them is higher than the other. They should be the same height. The ones that I looked at in the store weren't like this.

QUOTE END !

Another machine with a behavior like yours and mine, and probably not the last........a coincedence ?

I have a feeling, that the PC is actually maid, for running in this very heaty, and noisy manner.....mainly caused by AMD.

I think the guy is right.

I just face it, that this very pretty, but AMD powered PC, isn't a PC for people
who likes a silent and not **** hot machine.

I'm not bying AMD again, That's for sure.

 

Um, I not quite sure I'm ready to throw in the towel on the AMD just yet. The max rating for the TX2 is 95c so I'm not running anywhere near it's danger zone...yet. It's hard to tell what's "normal" for this model since we've got nothing to go on.

My main complaint, though, is the shiddy battery life partly caused by, it seems, the constant whirl of the fan. Sometime next week I'll give a call to HP tech support and see what they have to say, though I suspect the answer will be "It's normal".

In any case, I'll probably try to pick up a replacement. Suppose it can't be any hotter than this one, hopefully.

 

i've got this lappy on black friday and if this heat is normal and does not damage my pc, i'm perfectly fine with it.

I also know that the max temp on this is 95c and so far my cpu has not gone over 60c. I have not officially calibrated my battery but i did fully charged and drained it when i first got it and it's giving me about 1 and a half hours on wifi. I wasn't expecting much from a 6 cell battery anyways.

Is there a way to safely cut the cpu speed temporarily on a dv6113us? I want to try and and see if it can handle a whole movie.

 

and are you okay with this heat? Mine peaks at about 58-59c before the fan kicks on and that about every min or so but I'm not really bothered by it.

Do you guys feel this heat is dangerous? Maybe AMD cpus and boards are more resilient to heat. If the heat doesn't do any damage to my laptop, I would be a very happy guy.

 

AFAIK, HP has configured the BIOS to start and stop the fan at the same temperature points for both their AMD and Intel notebooks. Both should run about as hot. My dv9008nr (Turion TL50, GeForce 6150 video) doesn't get all that hot. I even sit it on my lap for hours at a time. The fan kicks in every couple of minutes for 10-15 seconds or so. An Intel notebook is going to get better battery life because it's weak Intel shared memory GPU is very power efficient.

Kids, these are consumer-grade laptops. The fan will run. It's just the nature of the beast.

I should note that I did a clean reinstall of WinXP MCE without all of the HP-supplied bloatware, so my average CPU load might be lower than a stock machine. It's worth checking Task Manager and seeing if there's anything chewing up CPU time if you think you're having heat problems.

 

Sorry dad, but when my fan cycles on every 80+ seconds with a <4% cpu load and undervolted to .925 at 8x, methinks there might be a problem, consumer-grade or not.