*HP dv6z AMD Llano (6XXX series) Owners Lounge*

Regarding the 17" models, weird that you can't configure one on HP.com! I assume they have two drive bays?

That would be great for me-I'd like the larger screen, and two drive bays means I could use a smaller 300GB Intel SSD + 750GB secondary drive. Although realistically the second gen Momentus XT is more than fine.

 

This link explicitly states GCN, though how reliable, I don't know, but at least this might force AAMD into tipping their hand enough to confirm or deny.

AMD Trinity lineup detailed

It also explicitly shows clocks, however, none of this is really indicative if these settings will hold true for mobile processors.

And you guys need to start helping with the heavy lifting and not disputing w/o doing your own homework. Are you even checking out the links before you reply?

 

Yes, but the link is almost certainly wrong.

Cool if it was right, but...

Even if it was, it still doesn't tell us much about performance, other than hopefully it'll be at worst about on par with what we've got now.

 

Another recent post (within the last two days) has AMD confiming a solid 50% performance increase, whereas before it was approximated as 30%.

 

Even if that's true, it tells us nothing. These things take years to design and whatnot, so unless people were wrong to begin with, they can't just swap in a new design at the last minute.

 

Argue all you want, but it would help your case to bring in some facts to support your argument.

All I am bringing in is what's been reported, and I'm also saying that it ain't necessarily so as well.

 

Anandtech's said it's 4D...it's very, very unlikely they're wrong and some other random site is right. If the claim is it WAS 4D and then recently changed to GCN, then we know the claim is false on the face of it.

EDIT: At least I THOUGHT they did? Now I can't find the article LOL

 

I doubt they are mentioning the laptop parts... rather the desktop ones

 

There's all kind of conflicting information at this point. I think people are confused with the upcoming generation of dicrete gpus, because the top of the line will be GCN, with the low-end remaining VLIW-4 and 5.

I do think, however, that Trinity being delayed a quarter might be a good sign. I'd rather wait and get something that doesn't blow up and/or has a critical update.

Regardless...I'm not buying again until APU's sport the same cores as the same year's dGPU. Without it, CF doesn't make much sense.

I AM thinking, however, about selling this dv6-6135dx in favor of a custom order. Haven't made up my mind yet.

 

Trinity was delayed?

 

My brother just got an ASUS k53ta, with an A4-3300 and a 6650m (same model as us but with DDR3 memory instead of GDDR5), let's see how gut it behaves on xFire...

 

A k53TA should have an A6 not an A4 in it. Do they make them with both? I bought one for my brother last year and it had the A6 is why I wonder about the A4. The A6 and 6650 seemed to work pretty well in crossfire the little I tested them last year.

 

"By the third quarter" which loosely means anytime between now and the end of September.

Since they successfully demo'ed Trinity early this year, I doubt that this would be a production problem.

Given the latest unverified news, I would HOPE its a six month delay due to a GPU update, but that's prob too much to hope for.

 

this model came with A4... but yeah, I saw that too.

 

Lacking in hard facts, a thought has occurred to me. While prior history gives me reason to doubt this hope, I think it would be great if A10 had a different GPU tech onboard. But this does not seem promising.

Granted the situation with AMD internal resources, I suspect A10 and A8 will be cut from the same dual Piledriver dies, and A6 and A4 will use much smaller single Piledriver dies. This would make the yields far more profitable. I think this is also related to rumors about AMD considering a fab switch due to issues with the wafers. The 384 cores and the higher clocks are the most commonly repeated data about iGPU, so I consider that reliable and the rest will remain speculation for now. Seriously, it has sideband DDR5, it doesn't have a sideband, it has a new media encoder, it still uses UVD3. It's running on VLIW4, it supports GCN, it shoots lasers, it's 50% faster....

AMD presentation slides are usually tough to replicate in real life, like how they claimed A8 generally performed equal or better against PhenomII x4 in common benchmarks. Many reviewers claimed elsewise. So while I expect AMD has delivered a nice double-digit improvement, I have not seen hard numbers that quantify it.

 

Vect: The 6650M is at least 25% faster than 6620G, right? I wonder how it performs with a small push.

The dv7 on TD is $100 more than I paid on Newegg. Sure the APU and GPU are same as mine, but it has bigger screen/9-cell/subwoofer. I do not think it has the BD-ROM though? Still, on paper it is a solid buy for that low price...

 

Hello everyone. I just bought a SSD for my dv6 and I'm having a hard time with it. It keeps locking up and blue screening. I updated it to its latest firmware. It also seems it does not like resuming from standby. On a couple occasions I had to pull the cmos battery because the computer rebooted to a flashing cap lock light. Can anyone shed any light on the subject for me?

This is the drive here...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442

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Ok guys. So I have been using cams unlocked bios with qnquiet and thermal disabled. I am also running in fixed mode. I have noticed that about 80% of the time when windows resumes from sleep I get a BSOD and it says usb driver bug error. I know some of you have posted with similar issues. Has anyone found a fix for it while still keeping qnquiet and thermal off because that helps lower temps alot.

Oh and as a side note for HT the bios guide you have for the cams bios. One of the bios listed in the thread without the dgpu oc still has the fan control unlocked. With qnquiet and thermal off when you set the temp lower for the fan on feature it comes on at the temp you specify. I have mine set to 65C and it kicks on all the way at 65C. I also have coolsense set to coolest. With those settings I never get over 70C

 

I've tried it with setting the temps and mine still won't kick in full until 90C. Setting CoolSense (yes that piece of crap) to coolest with qnq off and thermal off it does ramp up more quickly though, without CPU throttle, but still not full, although I don't exceed 80C usually anyhow. There's a "fan on" and a "fan throttle" temp I believe in the unlocked BIOS. "Fan on" works, it starts up fan at the temp I specify, just at very low speed. "Fan throttle" does start to ramp the fan up, but it still doesn't go full speed until it reaches 90C, even then I don't think it's full speed. When you go to flash the bios in windows, you hear the fan at full speed. I never hear the fan that loud with any fan profile I've tried.

So far no lockups since I flashed cam bios with no OC, then Musho's at 750/850. It comes out of sleep just fine for me so far. Although K10stat frequently quits if I switch graphics (using fixed mode) or coming out of sleep mode, and starting up K10stat again doesn't fix the clocks. They remain at slowest P state speed. Not sure if its an issue with K10stat or Windows.

 

silentsnow: Can you confirm the system remains stable using the old spinning disk? Have you also updated AMD AHCI driver and etc? Either your motherboard is flipping out or you received a dud SSD, probably. Flashing CMOS happens every few lockups, probably a safety mechanism to resolve hardware issues.

 

"Donanimhaber" or whatever the turkish site calls itself has been , well lets be kind...posting bull time after time about impending amd products.

Frankly, I wouldn't be relying on anything they say. On the other hand, to be fair, they have scored a hit or two, or was it just one , when they posted some burgled amd slides.

In any event, there is a helluva difference between the desktop trin chips and those going into the laptops. I had remarked earlier that there were several different laptop chip/mainboard configurations making the oem rounds as engineering samples. One of them did have, some kind of new side gate/ band whatever you want to call it, dedicated memory, not on the chip, but on the mboard. The Trin is a very flexible solution and I can tell you for a fact that the trin laptop engineering samples easily clocked 30 to 40 percent or so over the a8 llano's, and were running quite a bit cooler while doing it. The desktop parts can push 150 watts, and , well you can just imagine.

I, like many others, are irritated to beat hell about the delays, but, as i pointed out before, imho, it appears amd is betting the farm on the trin's success and they're trying not to muck it up.
seer

 

I pretty much have same setup as HT now and seem to run fine.
CCC sometimes crash when launching GPU programs after switch which I can live with.

I was playing Dragon Age Origin ( yeah I know ~~), xfire does stutter for me. Fixed run fine. But previously when I run skyrim or BF3 xfire is pretty smooth iirc.
I guess games included in CAP run better with xfire?

 

The original spinning disc worked perfectly fine. Perfectly stable. I did a fresh windows install so I have the latest AHCI driver installed. The SSD seems to work fine in my desktop but it hates the laptop. Maybe they're not compatible?

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Yeah. Unless you're pining for a new laptop right away, this is a win-win. If Trinity doesn't work out as well as they promise, well you'll most likely be able to get an Intel Ivy Bridge / nVidia Kepler laptop at a reasonable price. But if AMD is a home run you'll save even more money on a very capable laptop, especially GPU-wise.

 

Hmmm... interesting results with this ASUS k53t A4 3300m Radeon HD 6650m laptop:

Processor really good for overclock, 2 cores at 2.6 GHz below 75 degrees (and a lof of voltage for going up, up to 1.4125 to be precise)

GPU not so good but still, 700 core and 1072 DDR3 mem...

NO xfire with A3 and 6650m, need an A4 at least

GOnna test some games...

 

A3? I didn't know they made A3's and I thought you said it was an A4? 6650m is an ok GPU. If you can OC it a bit in conjunction with a good CPU OC, it may churn out some pretty decent frames at 1366x768.

 

CPU ended at 2.8 GHz very stable, I think it even has enough room for lowering the voltage, no mods, GRID, Deus EX and DiRT 3 running smooth.

 

Ok, I just did a clean Windows 7 install. A few caveats:

- You need the IDT Audio drivers if you want Fn key control of the volume, although mute seems to work just fine.
- You need the HP touchpad drivers if you want to be able to double tap disable the touchpad
- Broadcom Wi-fi Drivers are NOT in the DV6z-6100 drivers section. I had to download them from another section at HP. I may report this.

It was a fairly clean experience, just that too many "features" are tied to the HP drivers.

 

I don't have IDT driver and my fn-control for volume work fine though. I just install the HP OSD and every fn key work fine.
The IDT driver will automatically install all the beat crap unless mod the inf file.(And replace the OSD icon with beats eh)
The "HP" touchpad driver is just synaptics right?
I am using these, give some other option while remove some options( can't remember which functions) http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/563791-definitive-guide-envy-trackpad.html
Actually I dont have the clicking option like in the picture, but get inertia. (which I don't even use), but the 3rd party program is not bad.

Edit: I also have HP 3D drive guard installed, clear one of the unknown device iirc.
Yup, just tested, double tap seem not working with that, meh, I fix it later zzz.

HT, yours have a broadcom? the 6135dx have a crappy ralink .

Just ordered a 8GB GEIL ram to replace my 2GB aswell, will see how that turns out.

 

Last drivers really are crap for my xFire, 12.3 RC can only be installed if I disable the xFire, when installed if xFire is reactivated gives the lowest framerates I have ever seen...

 

Were you on 12.1?

12.2 gave me crap even just doing HD playback(GPU render) w/ xfire on. I suspect they screw/change something on 12.2.

 

How's the new patch for BF3 working for you guys?

 

I don't think it really did anything. Just fixed some minor bugs.

 

Wow, after doing a clean install, using fixed GPU, I'm getting a solid 3-5FPS MORE in BF3 at 1080p. Plus my hits are actually registering and killing people when bullets connect.

 

You can't ask for more than that...other than it being a videogame...

 

lol, no doubt. But before frequently I'd fill someone with bullets and they'd keep going. Now I shoot them and they die. DIE DIE DIE! Muahhahahaha!

 

Scouring the web for the latest and greatest CONFIRMED information on Trinity (more to come as I find it):

AMD Trinity Low Voltage APU 3DMark Scores Revealed - Softpedia

AMD’s Trinity ultra-low voltage APUs, that are scheduled to be released by the company in the middle of this year in order to counter Intel’s ULV processors, are expected to provide up to 100% better graphics performance than today’s Ultrabook CPUs.

At the end of the presentation held by Lisa Su, SVP and general manager, Global Business Units at AMD, during the Financial Analyst Day, the Sunnyvale-based chip maker included a series of performance projections for its upcoming chips.

These cover the performance of its chips, as well as that of Intel’s ULV processors, in 3DMark Vantage, where testing has shown that an A6-Series Trinity APU with a 17 Watt TDP scores 2355 points.

According to AMD, this is twice as fast as a Sandy Bridge Core i5 2537M CPU (1158 3D Marks), which is one of the most popular processors to be used in today’s Ultrabooks.

Furthermore, even after taking into account the assumed 30% graphics improvement brought by Ivy Bridge, the A6 ULV accelerated processing unit is still expected to be 56% faster.

When compared with a 25W A10-Series low-voltage APU, this difference grows even bigger, as the AMD chip scores an impressive 3600 points, which represents a 139% performance increase over the projected Ivy Bridge score.



As VR-Zone has revealed, both ULV and LV Trinity APUs will feature quad processing cores and are designed to fit in ultrathins approximately 18mm thick.

The computing cores will go by the name of Piledriver and, much like the current Llano APUs, lack any sort of Level 3 cache memory, as AMD wanted to increase the die area available to the on-board GPU.

Compared to Llano, Trinity APUs will also bring support for a series of new instructions sets introduced with the Bulldozer architecture, such as AVX and AES-NI, as well as for DDR3-2133 memory. AMD’s Trinity APUs are expected to arrive in mid-2012.

 

Yet more to befuddle us as to which graphic cores are being utilized in Trinity:

AMD 2013 Roadmap Also Gets Detailed, Includes Tamesh, Kabini and Kaveri APUs - Softpedia

Together with its APU and CPU plans for 2012, AMD also made public the company’s 2013 processors roadmap, which includes the Tamesh, Kabini and Kaveri accelerated processing units fabricated using 28nm process technology.

The most important change introduced by AMD with its 2013 APUs is the move to the GCN graphics architecture, which is expected to bring an important increase in computing performance.

According to AMD, this advanced graphics architecture will be used in all of its 2012 APUs, including the low-power Tamesh processor targeting the tablet space...

...All of the chips AMD plans to introduce in 2012 will be manufactured using the 28nm production process, but AMD hasn’t mentioned who will build these APUs for them.

2012? 2013? ?

 

I THINK Trinity is 32nm with 4D graphics.

 

You again??

Based upon old news, I would tend to agree. However, given that, in only the last two weeks, many sites usually considered at least semi-reliable and not citing the same source(s), keep referring to things like "Southern Islands" (GCN) and "Trinity" in the same breath.

Tack onto this that Trinity's been delayed for at least one quarter, when they had it taped in February of last year, and working like a charm before the end of 2011.

I used to work in a fab-lab as the lead tech, and I can tell you from experience that it took about a year to develop something new from scratch, but only about three months (or less) to slap together two known-working items into one package.

However...when it comes to judging by the past track record of delays and disappointments (by both AMD and Intel), I'd realistically have to agree...

...but a nerd can HOPE, can't he?

 

With the new instruction sets, AMD ultrabooks will take a large leap in ciphered operating systems and other key enterprise demands. No telling just yet where - or by how much - Piledriver is expected to improve from Bulldozer core-vs-core, or if it's just Bulldozer with L3 replaced by graphics bus.

But AES acceleration and such are gradually being required by a few big companies, so bringing that support to a mobile package might open more contracts for AMD-based laptops.

I am staying out of the hardware debate until we get full reviews. Those Vantage scores are great at face value, but it doesn't mean much until you see the breakdown.

 

Started some Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning with anisotropy maxed.
Fixed Graphic
Everything high/enabled except shadow normal.
1080p
Getting 30-35 fps

Going to tone down anisotrophy abit (2 much for my taste ~~) tonight and see how fixed and xfire works.

 

Piledriver vs Bulldozer - about 10% according to the reading of AMD-released stuff, from what I gather. GCN vs current CPU, about another 10% improvement.

Steamroller vs Piledriver - No info yet.

I own AMD stock...so I drill daily for news.

 

Grr, getting lockups again. will try to run with CnQ enabled again and see how it fares.

edit: Turned off Boost and seems to work fine now...

 

HT: Are they completely random, or during game, or quitting game?

Best time ever for AMD stock was the 10x multiplier as they climbed back from a low point around $3 USD (when stocks were down after the events of 2001). Only took around a year for the price to rise above $30, maybe $35...? It was funny to see AMD stock dip every time Intel released its financials, even when Intel numbers were down "due to strong pressure from competitors" which meant Athlon 64 was DESTROYING the Pentium 4.

I need to make time, probably this weekend, to get a few more games installed and adjust my settings. If there is mostly negligible (or negative) scaling, then Crossfire goes off forever. Or something.

Ideally I should go over my clock and power numbers again. I'm roughly TWO WATTS below HTWingnut, and I would like to know why. I have an A8-3500M with stock 6GB of RAM and stock 640GB spinning HDD(5400rpm). I have the 1366x768 screen. In Power Saver (with Coolsense Quietest), no wifi, 2 bars brightness, nothing in USB or card slots, HWinfo64 rates battery drain as -9 to -10 watts with spikes to -12. Given as my battery is currently reporting 53Wh capacity, this does not jive with 6hr+ runtimes. (though -9W would come close) So in theory a low-power SSD and more efficient RAM, unplugging lid light should bring me closer to -8W in HWinfo.

Here's the trick: HTWingnut said his idle wattage at 600MHz was still in the -12W territory, though maybe a 1080p screen and such make the difference. http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...6750m-benchmarking-results-3.html#post8311088

Guess I'm just wondering how low we can get this. But with tuning I begin to wonder if a 9-cell battery could reach 12 hours....

 

I was on 12.1 preview, for some reason if I go up my xFire goes KO and I tend to get BSODs...

Funny enough, my brother with the 6650 and the A3 can perfectly run the 12.3 RC, games really go smooth with those.

 

Well, fixed mode seems a bit fickle, however this time it only crashed with Battlefield 3, three times. However, I had a similar issue with Bad Company 2 crashing all the time, and when I stopped using Afterburner (live with the OSD overlay) it stopped crashing, played a bit more without afterburner running and so far so good.

My config:

- Cam's modded BIOS no OC
- Fixed and Auto switching enabled
- CnQ Off / Throttle Off
- Fan on 45C / Fan Throttle 60C
- Musho's 750/850 BIOS
- Drivers 12.1a preview (official 12.1 say they don't support switchable notebook graphics)
- Set to fixed mode in drivers
- K10stat Boost turned OFF

Previously I was getting lockups just in Windows desktop. But now just gaming. If I continue to get lockups I'm going to turn off CnQ, but so far fans turn on more or less at temps specified in BIOS and throttles up faster than with an HP install. Clean Windows install is so far proving to be a good idea.

I may do a driver cleaner and revert back to 12.1 preview though, although in general I found better performance and stability with 12.1a.

 

Recently I've been meddling with some accelerated transcoding, I discovered that the preview drivers disabled my acceleration on the ArcSoft Media COnverter 7 Trial, uninstalled, restarted, drive sweeper, restarted, installed 11.11c drivers, restarted, installed 12.1 preview (ONLY graphics driver), restarted, applied ahci drivers and vuala, got accelerated transcoding and the best of the preview driver (at least for me, no stuttering)

Oh, converted a whole bluray movie with it, 2.3 hours with gladiator... (to... 1080p 11mbps h264 main profile 4.1) while it may be slower than using pure CPU force, it allows me to keep working on other things since the CPU usage barely reaches 50%.

 

Yeah, until AMD gets their act together with their drivers, Xfire is still a joke in my mind. It should be consistent across releases and improve over time, not be all over the place. It's a great idea, and hopefully they focus on it more, because I'd like to see it working well and consistently.

 

There's a 25% off coupon for the education segment for $1000+ right now!

If I bite the bullet, I'm not sure whether to upgrade to 8GB + Windows 7 Pro to get over $1000, or whether to get a 160GB SSD I might have some use for some day (waaaaay too small for me to use in a PC, but...)

I SHOULD go for this, unless I think my current PC can hold out until April or May...just not sure.