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This thread makes me want to sell my M15x to get one of these... If someone cann get the 3530MX to run at full turbo with K10stat, I'll be torn. IF it can get over 1700 on 3DMark 11, then I'll sell this ASAP.

 

Here is a quick run on IntelBurn Test for the person that asked about load temperatures



BC2 is almost done downloading so that will be next

 

With the confirmation of overclocking capabilities (CPU, dGPU, Dedicated GPU) the potencial of a Llano Notebook changes everything.
Even a low A8 woulf be enough, I guess.
But, the real benches will show all stuff.
Holping a 13,3-14" with A8 and 6750M (or more) soon...

 

3dMark06 (stock clocks) after BIOS update

AMD Radeon HD 6620G video card benchmark result - AMD A8-3530MX APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics,Hewlett-Packard 358D score: 8494 3DMarks

 

Once again, these temperatures puts intel to shame. There are so many topics on this forum complaining about the heat and noise with intel cpus.

What is the battery life like?

 

Holy crap that is very impressive. DV6t definitely going back now. AMD, here I come!

 

But the XPS 15 has a killer screen and superior build quality.

I sent my dv6t back for an Envy 17. AMD has to fix the problems with DX9 and get this crossfire working how it should be working. Then I would consider a dv6z. It's not better than a dv6t yet, but it could potentially be. If AMD can get the gddamn crosssfire to work

 

Wait a minute why can't I configure it with a a8-3530mx? The option is missing!

 

Woah, that's weird. I configured one yesterday and it was still available.

Luckily, I decided to buy it before the 30% coupons ran out, whew! I'm guessing that the demand is really high for the 3530MX so they took out the option temporarily. Though it's strange that they didn't just push back the ship date like for the 1080p screen a couple weeks ago.

 

Maybe they don't have an ETA for the 3530MX though. I did read an article though that stated something like one million LLano chips shipped to distributors, not sure what portion is 3530mx. However with the pricing structure, it's no wonder that people chose the 3530mx. Either take the stock A6 or 3530mx because it's like $100 difference.

 

About what I'd expect from 6750, assuming that's just the 6750 and not Crossfire working. Although the 3DMark report states 6620G which would indicate the iGPU.

Also is there the manual GPU switch option?

 

I don't think it would report the 6602g and get as high of a score if it wasn't crossfire. Also as far as I know you can't do the 6750m only, it's either integrated or crossfire. And it wouldn't make sense not to bench crossfire anyways...

 

Everything I've heard stated crossfire is broken so it would revert to the dedicated GPU. The 6770m gets about 10500 3DMark06, and the 6750m isn't that much slower, so 8500 seems about right just for 6750m.

 

I thought that one of the reasons that it was broken was because it didn't revert back to the dedicated GPU like it should during DX9 programs.

 

Well it looks like we've got a mystery on our hands. I'll be disappointed if Crossfire doesn't even equal 6770m performance.

 

Not sure I understand what you guys are saying.

So what happens on a dv6z? Does it use integrated, the 6750m, crossfire?

 

Not everything -- unless you can get the clock speeds well into the 3GHz range, the CPU is still far inferior to Sandy Bridge so if CPU performance matters to you, then Intel is still the way to go. However, with 4 cores at 2.6GHz or so, it will no longer be bottlenecking games so if your only intensive CPU usage is gaming, you might as well go with AMD.

I am really, really surprised by the way AMD has handled the marketing of this thing. Why send a test sample to enthusiast sites at all if it's going to be running at half the performance the chip is capable of? And why not tell anyone that it can be overclocked? I would probably still have bought an Intel based machine (the 2720QM is too tempting), but Llano would at least be worth a second thought had I known this back in June.

 

That's what I'd like to know too, because I'm confused now. I know they were adding an option on the DV6t to make manual switchable graphics (i.e. fixed mode), so OpenGL apps would work. But the DV6z suffers the same OpenGL problem due to switchable graphics. If you can manually switch I'd like to see results of just setting the dGPU active and run 3DMark06.

 

Well, right now it doesn't, except in maybe some synthetic benchmarks. The idea is that with overclocking and better drivers, it would have the a good performance increase over the 6770m.

Overclocking seems to be a go but significantly improved drivers might be a ways off.

 

The problem is that right now it seems to revert to the 6620g. On the previous drivers, 8.832, disabling Crossfire made my dv6-6135dx just use the IGP. I updated to the newest drivers, 8.861, and I am gonna try disabling Crossfire when running 3dMark to see if they changed it.

 

And when crossfire is on, do you see performance gains in anything?

 

^ I'd also like to know lol.

and if so, besides GPU-Z, is there a way to determine if its properly running.
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another thing i notice whenever i play a game or do something that runs the gpu, 6750m gains temp/ccore clock/memory clock spikes up while the 6620 remains at stable at 0.00 mhz with a temp of -49C.

is that normal

 

That would seem to indicate the 6750m only is active

 

GPU-Z probably just isn't reading it correctly, it has never worked well with integrated graphics. One thing I noticed is that when running benchmarks it reports the max 6750m memory clock as around 300MHz, when it is supposed to be 800MHz.

I just tried 3dMark06 with and without Crossfire enabled with no difference. Got about 8500 both times.

 

3dMark Vantage

AMD Radeon HD 6620G video card benchmark result - AMD A8-3530MX APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics,Hewlett-Packard 358D score: P6109 3DMarks

Check out the graphics score.

 

I need a I5-2410M performance. If a Llano A8 can reach that level in single core stuff, it will be good enough for me.
Of course, I know that a overclock will be necessary.
The question is:
What kind of single/multi core frequency will be enough to a A8 Llano reach the level of a I5-2410? And what would be the cost to reach that?
Yes, I know, its all about a relation of PRICE, PERFORMANCE and, of course, CONSUMPTION.

 

You would need to overclock it to well over 3GHz for single-core performance to get close to the i5-2410m. For similar multi-core (4+) performance you would need about 2.2-2.3GHz. If overclocking allows all 4 cores to reach the turbo speed it will be pretty close to the i5-2540m

 

Have you tried OCing yet?

 

But at how much heat and power cost is the question, if it can indeed be overclocked....

 

I am not going to try overclocking the CPU unless it turns out to be a problem for me but I do plan to try overclocking the GPU. Here are the 3dMark11 results

AMD Radeon HD 6620G video card benchmark result - AMD A8-3530MX APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics,Hewlett-Packard 358D score: P1786 3DMarks

3dMark Vantage and 11 show the potential of this combination. The driver support for actual games just needs to catch up.

 

7words has already shown it can be overclocked and I don't think even an OC to 2.6GHz for all 4 cores would push the temperature into dangerous limits. I had to run 3dMark06/Vantage/11, Cinebench and IntelBurn Test to get the CPU temperature to hit 69-70C a few minutes ago, in a 78F room. And that was with the CoolSense setting of performance mode, on coolest mode the temps would be even lower.

Then you have to take into account the voltages. The voltages for 7words are significantly higher than for my previous Danube notebook was able to go ( Llano vs. Danube). If Llano can get even close to the voltages that Danube was able to run at the temperature is going to decrease even more.

 

Yepp, the graphics scores are fairly good. If we could set up a comparison between the dv6t and the dv6z in a DirectX 11 game that would be interesting...

 

Something just occurred to me. You might not even have to worry about overclocking to run all 4 cores at 2.6GHz. K10Stat allows you do set each core at a certain p-state and keeps it there. Theoretically, just setting all 4 cores in K10State to the B0/turbo state, would run all 4 cores at that speed until the chip reaches its thermal limits, which is 100C.

 

What is the power supply for the dv6z? If AMD did not intend for all 4 cores to ever run at the max frequency simultaneously, that method may be bound by power rather than temperature.

 

Wow, looks like Crossfire is working with DirectX 10 and DirectX 11. Those scores are better than the 6770m. This is great!

Look forward to your Bad Company 2 results. Hoping 1080 at medium detail works > 40fps.

 

The AC adapter is 120W and, according the Notebookcheck, theirs consumes only around 70W under full load.

 

Me too. For reference BC2 gets 20-30 fps at medium LoD, high textures, low shadows, high effects, 2x msaa no HBAO at 1080p on my dv6t with an i5 and 6770m.

 

Does anyone know how this 6-gig RAM config is handled?

I think I'm safe in assuming that its 2g + 4g modules, and what does that do to the interleaving? What does it do to integrated graphics performance? The conspiracy theorist in me almost sees Intel paying for the free "upgrade," if it turns out that it runs in single-channel mode.

Anyone have a 6-gig box they can bench with just the 4-gigger in there and see how it compares to both dimms in something memory or graphics fill intensive?

 

6 GB vs 4 GB ram makes no difference for most users.

 

I plan on putting in 8GB anyhow. If 1600MHz proves to improve performance then I may bite for the faster RAM. Normally asymmetrical dual channel doesn't affect performance, but it may for integrated GPU.

 

If it causes the system to go to single channel, due to mismatched sizes, it would be a huge blow to graphics performance.

 

If you're using it with the 6750m which has 1 GB of DDR5 I'm not sure why it would need to put textures on system memory

 

I understand, but, could you please overclock the cpu part of your APU?
Well, maybe we all just have good expetations with the confirmation of Llano sabine overclock capability.
Can you try with diferent p states like you alredy told?
Kind of...

If using one or two cores ... 3 Ghz to then and the rest of cores at the minimum values for power saving...
If using all the for cores... all of then at 2.6 Ghz...

This could be possibe?

And, another thing, will you try overclock the memories to 1600 MHz to verify what kind off performance grown the dGPU could get?

Thanks for all testings.

 

In Crossfire mode it may help performance.

 

Very interesting. I wonder why HP used that adapter -- it's almost as if they want you to overclock.

 

Right before you chuck that new 4-gigger in, run something to check & post pls. Curiosity is about to kill this kitty cat.

 

That 3DMark11 score is about equal to a 460M. If you can lock the P-states in the turbo, and OC the GPU, this has crazy potential. I don't think it'll even hit the throttle point on full turbo. Also, the 06 score would be higher, but as noted, Dual Graphics dosen't work well with DX9.

 

I have it on *good* authority that 1600 is the way to go with version A-8's. Apparently LLANO loves fast 1600 ram giving a significant bump in both cpu and on die gpu performance...just from the increase in bandwidth, further it lets your o'clocks really 'breathe...' Try for 7 or 8 CAS.

oh , and he's right, your Vantage and mark11 scores are RIGHT in there with an MSI GT663R with a 740qm and a 460! and no overclocks yet....
ok, that's it for me, i'm ordering LOL.

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The 460m seems to get a graphics score of 3000 or so....

 

If you switch it to an i7-720QM, the score drops to 2000 on the Graphics score, and only the first few, probobly highly overclocked, results are over 3000.

Edit: Look closer. Any of them over 3000 are in SLI.